Posted on 04/25/2011 10:16:39 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
As entertaining as it is for me to expose you as a leftist prevaricator operative bent on fostering dissent at FR, don’t you have any more conservative posters to harass than me?
You do have my sympathy. May you find peace and forgiveness someday.
Not you again...
“She had an unobstructed view of three men, who were all well raised and quickly zipped up.”
Incidentally...
You ALL have views of each other.
It’s disgusting and all you need is real stalls. Some have little telephone-wall-like separaters, but you really should go for full modesty.
“bought something at McD so they could then get the key to the restroom. Probably indicating a single-use bathroom common at many places.”
Well, s/he knew the place, apparently, and has been in the area a long time. (S/he has a twin brother who spoke out about this!) S/he also has a record, her/himself.
But most important here - the area. This bathroom could be locked simply because of the scum that live in the area.
However, my understanding of her words didn't involve a key necessarily, just an expectation (probably a sign on the door) that a purchase was expected if you wanted to use the restroom (possibly in a bad neighborhood you might have other unsavory acts such as drug use or something in a public restroom) - personally, I've never heard of a keyed restroom in a McDonald's.
However, it does seem to be the case that the victim and the two attackers were never actually in the rest room together and their seems to be a growing understanding that the attackers DIDN'T KNOW she was trans - which would undermine all the ignorant BS about Chrissy posted in FR since Friday.
To your larger point, while none of that "adjusting" stuff applies to Chrissy, it is not an invalid point that those in an earlier stage of transition would always desire a one-seat/locked-door restroom where available, and not just to "fix up" but to avoid the drama that comes with potentially being accused of the stuff so many Freepers seem to (wrongly) assume they are up to.
You know this how?
If you are genetically resistant to androgen, you don't need surgery to combat its effects. If you are not phenotypically male, you won't need surgery either.
Which sentence are you talking about? I thought I used punctuation.
I would not use the urinal! There’s no way I’d attempt that. The only way I would go into the men’s room is if I had to go very badly and was about to have an accident;I’d be very quick about it.I would not block the men from coming in;they need to go too,right?
If they have gone through with the surgery then they should be able to use the ladies’ room.I just don’t like the idea of a biological male going into the ladies’ room.He could be some perv looking to abduct and rape a woman or a little girl.
All these are cases where the male genetalia would already be present from birth. which would require surgical intervention.
and that's without getting into the complexity of the effects of androgen in utero.
Pervs have the ability to slip into certain ladies' rooms WITHOUT crossdressing and this seldom occurs (more often to plant cameras and such)
"Normal" men can and occasionally have gotten the wrong room, or had an emergency, or some such.
But, there's never been one single case of a transgender person having been caught assaulting, or peeping at, or otherwise molesting "normal" women in a public restroom. Not one on record.
Nor has there been a case of a non-trans molester cross-dressing as a "disguise" to get into women's private spaces.
It astounds me that so very many are so very worried about something that is so very very VERY rare.
Frankly, if a molester wants to victimize you in a public restroom, he CAN in many places and without wearing a disguise. But he won't likely get away. Which is why they seldom try, there are easier points of vulnerability.
Furthermore, if you have used many public restrooms, you HAVE shared a space with a person who had a theoretical sexual interest in you - unless the restroom is screened for lesbians. Likewise the manly men her have had their junk looked upon by a gay man unawares. Such is the world you live in.
In any case, it makes no sense to place heavy restriction on people based on the actions you are paranoid they MIGHT commit in the total absence of any evidence they ever have or ever will.
As I've pointed out - the transwoman in the public restroom is either 100% passably female and thus you'll never know, or they are FAR MORE frightened of you than you are of them. You want to know the best way to spot one? Look for the woman who keeps their head down and moves quickly while praying to god none of you "normal" folks reads her before she gets out. The LAST think on her mind is taking a gander at your unmentionables.
(note for clarification, I speak her of actual transsexuals - I carry no water for the fetishistic crosdresser - but even then that guy recognizes he's at GREAT risk of public humiliation or much worse and he's not likely to risk that for a peep or a grope)
I would concur, in Japan I have shared toliets with women, the stall are ground to floor so women are protected. However men have a trench. You become so accustom to it you stop even noticing. But this is not Japan and the point was keep little girls out of the mens room.
Do not care how they are wired do not want then in a room with my child. Their wiring is out of whack to begin with, they still have parts that belong in a mens room. Get rid of the protusion and I could care less.
Not amusing IMO since *we* are the ones getting pushed
down and kicked by both.
From what I’ve seen, there’s more fear of the underclass
element in Baltimore than I ever saw or felt in NYC
c. 1986-1991 [riots excepted, of course] and this quite
near Johns Hopkins
The inevitable response is to eliminate public restroom
facilities altogether; this is in fact the case in some
NYC chains and public library branches. In some cases
the elimination is by posting an “out of order” sign when
the facility is operable. This entails a loss of business
since many patronize the cafe/store bc of the restroom.
As I've asked others (who have failed to answer) - show me a case where this "faulty wiring" has caused any direct harm to another human being. there's never been a case of a transsexual molester finding a victim in a restroom (or even a so-called "peeper") - there's never been a case documented of a child scarred for life by witnessing their existence. Nothing.
the only people who are ever hurt by trans people are innocent spouses and kids who are hurt when a trans person finally loses the battle to suppress their true nature after listening to people like you their whole life. if they were not made to feel like freaks and perverts when they were young, they would not force themselves to marry and raise families hoping they could control it or make it go away only to tear those homes apart 20 years down the road because it didn't work.
and I don't blame that pain on the transsexual, I blame it on the ones who lied to them and told them they could and should repress it.
In the absence of being able to cite cases of harm caused, why is society so afraid of them? Simple. Comfort level. sme people can't deal with "weird". some can't deal with tattoos, or piercings, or "goth" or "punk" or "bikers" or people of different cultures, or people with weird religious views...
thing is, that's tough. We have to live with weird unless we can show the weirdness is hurting someone. Is it? Please cite examples.
What planet do you live on? Of course other people are hurt by trans people. Visually it creates confusion...parents have to somehow explain to children the "weirdo"...let alone the educational system which is now attempting to give them their place their...protecting them creates enormous problems of confusion...not to mention the sheer discomfort of looking at them trying to be something they are not.
There's a young man now without a job, an elderly woman who was hit... and the reputation of MCDonalds all in play now. Each one of these has had pain from this man attempting to be something he is not, regardless of their involvement...he set the stage.
Society is not "afraid" of them as you stated. Has nothing to do with fear. Has to do with their, and others like them , parading themselves and their "weirdness", demanding they be recognized and accepted when it goes against the very nature and culture which we live.
And I don't care what type of upbringing they've had...others have had far worse and did not make the choice to be a trans. or any other sexual perverted lifestyle...and nobody puts a gun to their heads and "Makes them marry" anyone as you stated. It is a choice they made. Better they not marry at all then leave a trail of broken hearts with their mates and children.
The reason you see nothing reported is because most people who have encountered them, and been hurt by them, don't want to be in anyway associated with the fallout for reporting them. Rather like woman who are raped don't report.
You're support of these people and encouragement that they be accepted as "normal" goes against the natural order of man and how he is created...and people are repulsed by them because they instinctively know it's wrong. It's UN-NATURAL and everyone knows that is so regardless of the push out there "It's their nature"...no it is not...it is their choice.
>> I would assert...
Not to get ahead of the facts, but I’m not sure the bathroom factor played much of a role in the beating. If not, would this change any minds regarding what was deemed as justifiable aggression?
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