Posted on 04/25/2011 10:16:39 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Come again? Educating your child that you live in a diverse world full of all sort of people, not all of whom are approved of in your moral system, is "hurting" you or the child? It's called a "teachable moment." Unless of course you had intended to raise your child to hate and fear anyone different or "immoral." Still, it's a chance to teach that, too, if you want.
let alone the educational system which is now attempting to give them their place their...protecting them creates enormous problems of confusion...
What sort of confusion? that they might have more open minds and loving hearts than you would wish for them to? it's not necessary to teach a child that a thing is right in order to teach them that it exists, and how to be decent to other human beings regardless of their meeting with your disapproval. NOT teaching them creates situation where the children are hateful and mean to a person with a gender (or sexuality) issue until that person eats a bullet.
But hey, if we can bully them into a grave then they are no one's problem anymore, right? WIN! WIN!
not to mention the sheer discomfort of looking at them trying to be something they are not.
NOW we get to the root of it - DISCOMFORT! OMGWTFLOL you have been made UNCOMFORTABLE!!! let me bust out my handy guide to American values....hmmm...here it is....right to life, liberty, and not being made uncomfortable! Gosh, I dunno how I missed that earlier!
There's a young man now without a job, an elderly woman who was hit... and the reputation of MCDonalds all in play now. Each one of these has had pain from this man attempting to be something he is not, regardless of their involvement...he set the stage.
not at all - bigotry set the stage. why is the young woman unpopular, and a source of controversy? Because bigots like YOU do your best to see to it that anyone who makes you "uncomfortable" is ostracized from society until they die in a ditch so you can be comfortable. The older lady was struck because people who think JUST LIKE YOU struck her.
Think about that for a minute hero - the person playing the part of YOU in that drama, the person who thinks exactly what YOU THINK in that scene - was the thugette beating the crap out of a helpless victim. You must be so proud.
Society is not "afraid" of them as you stated. Has nothing to do with fear.
No, you cleared that up - has to do with COMFORT. so much more noble.
Has to do with their, and others like them , parading themselves and their "weirdness", demanding they be recognized and accepted when it goes against the very nature and culture which we live.
Are these the only weird people you see around you? Maybe we need a nice pogrom to round up all the "weird" people so normal people like you can be "comfortable" again. After all, we all know cultural tradition trumps everything, right? don't you long for the good old days when cultural tradition told you to wear a powdered wig, and your wife not to own property? Heck, remember the great cultural tradition where only property owners could vote - but property could include a human being? those were the days!!
And I don't care what type of upbringing they've had...others have had far worse and did not make the choice to be a trans.
you'll be happy to know that no one makes the "choice" to be trans. They only make the choice to suffer in silence lest your comfort be disturbed, or live honestly even though you might be uncomfortable with it.
or any other sexual perverted lifestyle...
Sexually perverted? - the vast majority of trans people know what they are before they are 10 years old - how did they chose a sexual perversion before they even knew what sex was?
and nobody puts a gun to their heads and "Makes them marry" anyone as you stated. It is a choice they made.
oh it's definitely a choice to marry. I never said otherwise - I said it's a choice based on a lie. If I tell you that if you pack your stuff and move across the country and I'll give you a job which pays you $1 million a year, and you move and then find there's no job, was the move a choice on your part? Yup.
Trans people are told from before puberty (and yes, they know at that age) that they are "freaks" and "perverts" (perverts before they even know what sex is - howzat work exactly?) and that normal people will hate and dispose them. If they are religious they are told to "give it to God" and he'll heal them (with the obvious implication that God hates what they are too - there's a lifetime of guilt for ya kid, have fun!). Gullibly, many of them believe the lies and try for decades to be "normal" too. Why did they make that choice? Because YOU lied to them just like you are lying to me and yourself right now.
Better they not marry at all then leave a trail of broken hearts with their mates and children.
that's the first smart thing you've said on the subject. I'm sure you'll dust yourself off and move on though.
The reason you see nothing reported is because most people who have encountered them, and been hurt by them, don't want to be in anyway associated with the fallout for reporting them.
Bull. if that were the case no case of child molestation or rape or even a peeping tom would EVER be reported. what makes those offenses different? let me answer that for ya - they HAPPEN. the ones you imagine from trans people DON'T.
Rather like woman who are raped don't report.
ALL of them? We have a rape rate of "zero" in the official record?
You're support of these people and encouragement that they be accepted as "normal" goes against the natural order of man and how he is created...and people are repulsed by them because they instinctively know it's wrong.
How god created humans in the natural order does not include a great many things that people are born with. god did not, in the created order, author dwarfism, or spina bifida, or deafness, or blindness, or autism - but they happen. God did not create, in the garden, cancer or heart disease or depression or bipolar disorder - but they happen. Because we live in a fallen world.
How can you explain this? I suppose you are "repulsed" by a dwarf too, right? one of those folks that used to pay money to go to the circus and laugh at the freaks? Ah the good ol' days again!!
It's a birth defect chief. Just like the other things I mentioned above. Just as regrettable. But it's here, the question is whether your comfort trumps their life.
It's UN-NATURAL and everyone knows that is so regardless of the push out there "It's their nature"...no it is not...it is their choice.
I can provide a perfectly rational, logical, ironclad explanation for how it CAN happen, with no assumptions and no moral judgments. you CAN'T provide a logical, rational,argument for why it CAN'T happen - not even a paper thin one.
your whole argument goes back to your subjective opinion.
I can beat you on science, I can beat you on logic, I can even beat you on your religious angle. all you have is your discomfort.
What I can't do is change your mind because you are far more attached to your opinion than your are to reality.
Caww, I’m really surprised the homo-agenda pusher has stayed on FR so long. Tomorrow I’ll look into posting history and see what’s up.
WillRain, FR is not the site for pushing “gay” agenda crap. Got it?
Just for starters I do not teach my children the "diverse" world you apparently live in...nor acceptance of. I do teach them there are people who make choices and the responsibility for the outcome of those choices are their's...especially if they fly in the face of the natural order of life...and the laws of our land....Additionally, that there are consquences for their choices and actions which will always affect others..... None of which requires them to "see" weirdos for a ...."teachable moment", (which is out of the playbook of the Liberals).
NOT teaching them creates situation where the children are hateful and mean to a person with a gender (or sexuality) issue until that person eats a bullet.
No, children are not to be blamed for an individual who chooses to put a gun to their head... They pick it up and they decide when, if, or not to fire. It's a process that begins within their own mind, a choice to entertain the thought, refuse it, or get help to overcome it. Nobody puts a gun to their head they haven't long ago already contemplated.
It's not necessary to teach a child that a thing is right
Of course it is necessary to teach our children what is 'right', again what planet are you on?...the fact is you never have to teach them to do wrong, they do so instinctively for 'the nature' they are born with. Watch a toddler explore and you'll find they have to learn what "No" means very early, to protect them as a youngster, as well as from the dangers in the world they will one day be a part of as an adult. At the same time you encourage them when they do well and make right choices. The idea is you teach a child that life is about choices and how to make right choices and that their is a difference between right and wrong, as well as a compass which shows the way.
On your rant about "discomfort"....I would say yes, it is uncomfortable and repulsive to the umpth degree. You are free to be as you choose...but don't flaunt it in front of me or mine and tell me I have to accept it. For I have the freedom equally as so to find it repulsive, unnatural and unacceptable. Better you practice your perversion in the closet, privately, as was once the better way for all concerned...or seek the help to change the course on.
no one makes the "choice" to be transexual"
Oh but they do make that choice. They know from the very first 'thought' they had exactly what they are entertaining in their mind is not normal...and choose to follow thru in their actions and behavior. As with any wrongful act..it gets easier to ignore the "discomfort" by pushing past it and justifying it, or excusing it, or blaming it on someone or something else. But while the finger is pointing outward there are always three pointing back to ones self.
Transexual people know what they are before they are 10 years old
You really do need to look closer at normal child development. Your lack of knowledge in that area is revealing just by that statement alone.
Pretty much the rest of your post was the 'Natural' and expected rants and railings heard so many times from voices such as yours who attempt to intimidate and deceive the public, and not worth responding to. Furthermore comparing children born fead, blind and physically handicapped is not anything remotely to compare a transexual or other perverts with. Which starts in their mind and follows with a choice...long after birth.
What is interesting is how much people, as yourself, rant and rile about how people view and see transexuals and other perverts.... and yet throughout your post you've used language of the very 'nature' you accuse others of for differing with you. You can't have it just one way though you try to...and neither can they.
Thank you....it’s a distateful conversation to have in the first place because no matter how you present the facts their minds are so twisted and dull of hearing that they cannot see the truth they truly need to hear and see.
I recognize that there is a ‘very rare’ birth defect which on occassion does happen, where someone can be born with both male and female body parts, or in part only...but it is a physical defect and the Dr.s generally make the best decision on which way to go for a newborn via various tests etc. But that is not what transexuals are, as we know.
Thank you for stepping into this, I have responded to the post as far as I’m going to. As is their custom far too much of their post was simply ranting...it’s the ‘norm’.
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. No reason or logic need apply, eh?
People as yourself do these people far more hurt and harm than any who oppose their behavior...for you enable them to continue their behavior and worse encourage them in it. Equally as destructive to them is your insistence that others change their opinions, and for each one you have convinced you have put yet another nail in their coffin.
Do you somehow think that you are the only individual privy to their plight? The truth is you are so far convinced you are loving them, by accepting their behavior, that you cannot see to help them escape what is not only possible to escape from but desirable. People as yourself stand in the way of the fulfilled life they were intended to have, as much as those you believe placed them in their position in the first place.
The syndrome's cause, an extra sex chromosome,....For this reason, the term "Klinefelter syndrome" has fallen out of favor with medical researchers. Most prefer to describe men and boys having the extra chromosome as "XXY males." the syndrome itself-the set of symptoms and characteristics that may result from having the extra chromosome-is uncommon....... Many men live out their lives without ever even suspecting that they have an additional chromosome. " I NEVER refer to newborn babies as having Klinefelter's, because they don't have a syndrome,....." said Arthur Robinson, M.D., a pediatrician at the University of Colorado Medical School in Denver and the director of the NICHD-sponsored study of XXY males...... "Presumably, some of them will grow up to develop the syndrome Dr. Klinefelter described, but a lot of them won't." In addition to occasional breast enlargement, lack of facial and body hair, and a rounded body type, XXY males are more likely than other males to be overweight, and tend to be taller than their fathers and brothers. For the most part,.... these symptoms are treatable..... Surgery, when necessary, can reduce breast size. Regular injections of the male hormone testosterone, beginning at puberty, can promote strength and facial hair growth-as well as bring about a more muscular body type. A far more serious symptom, however, is one that is not always readily apparent. Although they are not mentally retarded, most XXY males have some degree of language impairment. As children, they often learn to speak much later than do other children and may have difficulty learning to read and write. And while they eventually do learn to speak and converse normally, the majority tend to have some degree of difficulty with language throughout their lives.... If untreated, this language impairment can lead to school failure and its attendant loss of self esteem.
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/klinefelter_syndrome/hic_understanding_klinefelter_syndrome_a_guide_for_xxy_males_and_their_families.aspx
It’s coming that we’ll have no choice who is in the restrooms. Therefore normal people will avoid using public restrooms and the minority once again “protected”....
On June 8, 2010, by the narrowest of margins (12-11), the New York State Senate Judiciary Committee voted to reject a bill known as ‘the Gender Expression Non-Discrimination Act’.... (GENDA or the “Bathroom Bill”).
This piece of legislation (S2406 Duane) would open all public accommodations, including restrooms, high school locker rooms, health clubs, dorm rooms and other single sex residential facilities (like homeless and family violence shelters) to both biological genders, dependent upon whether or not an individual chooses to identify his or herself as the opposite sex (i.e. cross-dressers or transvestites).
New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms’ (NYCF) Executive Director, Rev. Jason J. McGuire, made the following comments: “As a pro-life, Christian organization, NYCF upholds the inherent value and worth of all people – including persons who identify as transgendered. However, there is simply no need to provide special rights and protections to individuals who choose to dress or identify themselves as members of the opposite sex.”
“Under the legislation, any man could legally gain access to facilities reserved for women and girls simply by indicating, verbally or non-verbally, that he inwardly feels female at the moment. There is no way to distinguish between someone suffering from what the American Psychological Association calls ‘Gender Identity Disorder’ and a sexual predator looking to exploit this law,” McGuire continued.
http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/06/ny-genda-bathroom-bill-defeated-by-one-vote/
Psychology, and especially the APA, is no more scientific than reading tarot cards. Psychology and psychiatry are inherently political.
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Baltimore outside of Harbor Place and the stadium area is just plain dangerous.
Tell this to the many other women who do not want a man in the women’s room.I do not feel comfortable with the idea of a man being in the ladies’room;I’m sorry. I’m a modest person and I would not feel comfortable knowing that there’s a man in the bathroom with me.Sorry,this is who I am.Don’t like it? Too bad.
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