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Amazon packing after House vote
The State ^ | Wednesday, Apr. 27, 2011 | Tim Flach

Posted on 04/27/2011 8:37:04 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek

Amazon all but told South Carolina goodbye Wednesday after the online retailer lost a legislative showdown on a sales tax collection exemption it wants to open a distribution center that would bring 1,249 jobs to the Midlands.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazon; online; taxes
Seems like a pretty short-sighted vote to prove...something, I guess. Amazon isn't based in South Carolina, and this was to have been a distribution center.
1 posted on 04/27/2011 8:37:07 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

So apparently the income taxes they would have collected from the newly employed people wasn’t enough for them (as opposed to having to pay them unemployment). Nope: MORE MORE MORE!


2 posted on 04/27/2011 8:41:58 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

They closed a distribution center in my town when Texas did something similar. I think Texas was trying to collect taxes on items shipped to other states from it too.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 8:43:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Greedy government thieves thwarted again. Sweet.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 8:45:27 PM PDT by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

They are blaming the Tea Party both in the article and in comments below. It doesn’t sound right, why would the TEA party (Taxed enough already) be in favor of increased taxes?


5 posted on 04/27/2011 8:47:04 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Amazon shrugged.


6 posted on 04/27/2011 8:49:26 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: coloradan

I love Amazon for its refusal to collect taxes for the welfare state, unlike most Republicans. What I don’t understand is why they are so adamant about it. All the other online retailers have given in to the State of California, and collect sales taxes from California residents. Amazon does not, when it would be easy to do so. Anyone know why?


7 posted on 04/27/2011 8:49:43 PM PDT by Defiant (When Democrats lose voters, they manufacture new voters instead of convincing the existing voters.)
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To: I still care
The Nazi, I mean Tea Party is happy tonight.

One of the anti- TEA Party comments. With 'logic' like that how can one go wrong?!

8 posted on 04/27/2011 8:52:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I don’t know who did what, as I’ve not followed this case.

But ALL financial incentives to companies are based on the theory that government can “steal” jobs away from other locations by making a deal with the company that in essence is a negotiated lower tax than is paid by other companies in the state. Think about the fairness of that for a minute.

Then realize that statistics prove most of these deals never pan out anyway. The state agrees to a reduced tax level but how important is that in the overall scheme of things that determine the viability of a business? How many of us would relocate JUST for a lower tax rate?

There are plenty of examples - such as K-Mart that negotiated a big tax incentive from the state of Michigan - only to file bankruptcy, be acquired by Sears and moved out of the state only 2 years later.

I applaud South Carolina for calling BS on this shell game. Offer conditions that make your state friendly to business and keep government out of the way, and you’ll get all the jobs you would any other way.


9 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:13 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Defiant
There are so adamant because it is suck a frickin' nightmare to keep it strait. From The Tax Clearinghouse.com

There are, in fact, just over 7,000 distinct tax authorities that levy a sales or use tax: 50 states, 1,600 counties, and 4,500 cities.

Compliance is hyper expensive for a business.

10 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:22 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW2 now?)
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To: I still care
"They are blaming the Tea Party both in the article and in comments below."

When the left blames the TPM (Tea Party Movement) for ANYTHING, it's like winning an Oscar for a stellar performance.

IF we piss off the left, that means we have done something GOOD, not bad.

The more the left stays PISSED, the better we are doing our TPM jobs.

The best comeback in the world to anyone who blames the TPM for anything is...
"THANK YOU!"

11 posted on 04/27/2011 9:01:06 PM PDT by FrankR (no)
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To: Defiant

Two reasons, the Supreme Court and the 5-10% price edge on competitors who do collect sales tax.


12 posted on 04/27/2011 9:04:19 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I agree with the legislators. Why should one company get a tax break? Just lower the cost of doing business overall, and these companies will come.

Amazon wanted a tax break and the SC House told them to pound sand. This is why the local Tea Party opposed this, because it's crony capitalism on the state level.

13 posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why should one company get a tax break?

Company? It's the SC taxpayers who would would be getting the tax break; incidentally, they still won't be paying the tax with Amazon now located out of the state.

14 posted on 04/27/2011 9:16:39 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Defiant
"Anyone know why?"

Principles??? Some people and companies still stand on them.

15 posted on 04/27/2011 9:23:55 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I shop on the Internet to get the lowest price possible and I always check the location of the store to see if I have to pay sales tax to them. If I have to pay tax, then I buy from a business in another state.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 9:30:20 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
I do much of my shopping on the net, and a lot of it from Amazon. There is no way of knowing where they are shipping from at the time of placing the order.

I too try to avoid sales tax whenever possible. I will drive across the Louisiana/Mississippi state line because it saves me almost 3%.

18 posted on 04/27/2011 9:35:48 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Amazon has something the state doesn’t.

Jobs.

They can find states willing to stand up to Walmart and welcome the jobs.


19 posted on 04/27/2011 9:50:28 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

*facepalm*


20 posted on 04/27/2011 9:57:08 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

It appears the commie ‘RATS like Barry Soetoro are going to have to find someone else to subsidize their communist agenda. American capitalists just don’t seem to be ready to “volunteer” for the job. I don’t blame them. Communism really sucks!


21 posted on 04/27/2011 10:03:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: AD from SpringBay

ahahaaha


22 posted on 04/27/2011 10:22:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Amazon shrugged.
Way to go, South Carolina. More money for scumbag politicians to buy votes with is more important than 1,200+ jobs for state citizens.
Pure government greed.


23 posted on 04/27/2011 10:26:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Oregon, which has no sales tax, would be pleased to have the distribution center.


24 posted on 04/27/2011 10:27:12 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Amazon wanted a tax break

I don't believe they did. Amazon is not based in South Carolina, and a distribution center wouldn't change that. Why does it need to collect sales tax for South Carolina? How is this not an unlawful tax on interstate commerce?
25 posted on 04/27/2011 10:38:42 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: upchuck

Shame on that scumbag local “Tea Party” for supporting higher taxes. People who think somebody else - - anybody else - - should be paying higher taxes are genuine scumbags, and that includes these alleged “tea party activists”. I’m for every person and every company doing everything in their power - - individually, collectively, whatever - - to pay less taxes and “starve the beast” of scumbag big government. I don’t care how they do it.

Good for Amazon. I think I’ll go on their site tonight and buy something from them.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 10:39:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I like South Carolina. I was thinking of buying some land down there (I live in NH).

But after looking at the outrageous income tax, sales tax, and property tax (all types of property) ... yikes!!!

I thought SC was a conservative state? SC taxes make taxes Massachusetts look tame by comparison!

27 posted on 04/28/2011 2:53:10 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack

Why would a local tea party get involved with this and take the side of higher taxation in a state with way to few jobs?


28 posted on 04/28/2011 4:24:03 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

There is one of two issues here- that SC wanted to tax everything going out of the distribution center as if it was all sold to locals, or that Amazon wanted nothing going out to be taxed, even if sold to locals. There is a huge difference. Secondly, it is my understanding that you normally would pay a sales tax on anything coming out of your state regardless of whether it was a distribution center or a headquarters. If a company has a presence in your state, you pay sales tax. If Amazon is (because of its size) able to get states to waive that state sales tax collection requirement, then they are indeed getting an “unfair” tax (and therefore price) advantage over other online retailers. I can also tell you from a vendor standpoint that Amazon is a PITA and doesn’t like to pay their bills on time. I don’t have the time right now, but I will read up to see exactly what concessions Amazon wanted in exchange for putting the distribution center here.
I would like to point out that SC is generally very business friendly, both regards labor costs (right-to-work) and in localities giving property tax and other big breaks to companies wanting to locate here. Just ask Boeing, Michelin, BMW, Honeywell, etc, etc.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 5:06:24 AM PDT by visualops (Proud Air Force Mom)
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To: CurlyDave

If they are looking for an east coast location I don’t think you guys will make the cut....


30 posted on 04/28/2011 5:07:49 AM PDT by visualops (Proud Air Force Mom)
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To: CapnJack
I like South Carolina. I was thinking of buying some land down there (I live in NH). But after looking at the outrageous income tax, sales tax, and property tax (all types of property) ... yikes!!!

Some years back, we were paying a very substantial five-figure number on a primary residence in NJ and similar killer taxes on various unnecessary properties in NY and NJ. We shrugged and headed for PA.

Our property tax on a very large home on the Susquehanna is under $1000/yr.

PA doesn't have the ocean, the beaches, and the proximity to Manhattan that made life so interesting...nor the crime rates, nor the taxes. It's got lots of Aunt Bea, Floyd, and Goober, and that's a GOOD thing. It's got guns, too; they think you're normal if you keep guns.

But enough bragging on PA. In the larger picture, we conservatives may have to accept the inevitability of a Galt's Gulch scenario. We might be well advised to explore the options for "back-up" property in the countryside. Because we might, at the rate things are going, be backed into a conservative reservation whether we like it or not; and because when societies collapse, individuals can do little more than join the pockets of survivors and stand by ready to rebuild. I say we should do it on our own terms, our own schedule, in our own interests.

Recommended: Wyoming and Alaska. Sadly not recommended: Texas.

31 posted on 04/28/2011 5:59:55 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: CurlyDave

Oregon, which has no sales tax, would be pleased to have the distribution center.


They probably already have one. Amazon’s key strategy is to have these centers all over, so that they can get buyers their products fast, cheaper than the competition can dream of.


32 posted on 04/28/2011 6:38:56 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (...a.k.a. "Norm L. C. Bias")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Congratulations to Wal-Mart for using the power of the state to shut down a competitor.

The fascists at ChiComm-Mart will throw thousands of affiliate marketers out of business and destroy another 1,249 jobs at the Amazon distribution center. Affiliate marketers = small businesses.

The state was bombarded by propaganda from Wal-Mart through its lying front group, South Carolina Alliance for Main Street Fairness. Meanwhile, Commi-Mart will be getting billions in tax breaks and subsidies as it opens more Wal-Marts across the country, including South Carolina.

Wal-Mart is cronyism in action. South Carolinians need to throw these fascist bums out of the state legislature. Congratulations, morons. And it’s now been confirmed that our new governor is too stupid to realize the ramifications of this action.

BTW, I saw no evidence that any Tea Party was involved in this fiasco. Probably The State liberal rag is trying to stir up trouble.


33 posted on 04/28/2011 6:46:58 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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The story does comes from AP so who knows what the truth is. Although I can’t find anything where the SC Tea Party denies it either. If it’s true, then perhaps it is too late to restore a constitutional government.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 1:40:16 PM PDT by Lewis Morris (Having lost sight of our goals, we redouble our efforts!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Amazon wanted a tax break and the SC House told them to pound sand.

They don't want a TAX BREAK! They just don't want a NEW TAX OR an INCREASE!

35 posted on 04/28/2011 1:52:33 PM PDT by Fawn (No--bama 2012)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There were commercials running here against Amazon’s tax deal, accusing them of being greedy. I haven’t followed the story so I really have no opinion (for a change - LOL).


36 posted on 04/28/2011 2:28:52 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
“But enough bragging on PA. In the larger picture, we conservatives may have to accept the inevitability of a Galt’s Gulch scenario. We might be well advised to explore the options for “back-up” property in the countryside. Because we might, at the rate things are going, be backed into a conservative reservation whether we like it or not; and because when societies collapse, individuals can do little more than join the pockets of survivors and stand by ready to rebuild. I say we should do it on our own terms, our own schedule, in our own interests.

Recommended: Wyoming and Alaska. Sadly not recommended: Texas.”

I'm looking for land where it is warm and don't have to rely on heating costs and am able to grow food most of the year. Wyoming and Alaska ain't it unfortunately.

New Hampshire is definitely a great state (no income or sales tax), but the long cold winters get tiring and the growing months are way to short.

37 posted on 04/28/2011 2:45:47 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack

How about Tennessee? Last I heard, auto insurance wasn’t mandatory there — so it’s still a free country in that regard.
It’s warmer. They respect gun owners. Lots of rural property, great scenery, and the music ain’t bad :)


38 posted on 04/28/2011 2:56:41 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“How about Tennessee?”

My buddy who lives just north of Nashville keeps trying to get me down there. There is cheap foreclosed land near him that he says is going for next to nothing.

Nice area. I like going down there, but the tornados creaps me out.


39 posted on 04/28/2011 5:50:14 PM PDT by CapnJack
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