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Birth certificate conflicts with father's real birthday?
World Net Daily ^ | April 30, 2011 | Art Moore

Posted on 04/30/2011 10:22:10 PM PDT by Brown Deer

Newly released immigration documents indicate Obama Sr. was 2 years older

Overshadowed by reaction to the release of Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate was the unearthing of half-century-old files that cast doubt on whether the age of the president's father indicated on the Hawaii document is accurate.

The applications, memos and other documents from the Immigration and Naturalization Service acquired in a Freedom of Information Act request by Heather Smathers of the Arizona Independent – which indicate Barack Obama Sr. would have been 27 at the time of his son's birth, not 25 – also suggest that the president's father did not leave the islands from the time of his August 1959 arrival until he departed for graduate studies at Harvard in June 1962.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; colbfake; dncfraud; eligibility; enoughalready; fraud; hawaii; ineligibleimpostor; ineligibleobama; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamasr; pelosifraud
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To: Vendome

” That is not the Long Form Birth Certificate(though it may be a COLB). “

A buddy of mine actually became a birther this week.
Not because of the document produced , but, because of the way
Barry acted
during the press conference.
He’s a detective used to interrogating criminal suspects and
he was absolutely convinced
that Barry knew he was
not producing a birth certificate per se.
When Barry starts to explain what he is showing-
there is a looooong pause
and you can imagine the wheels turning and
the advice of his lawyers playing in his head
“ Don’t call it a birth certificate ! “

Then when he finally tries to describe what the WH put
on Twitterpic -
he creates a new word.
He stumbles and awkwardly says it’s his “ Sir TIFF cation.”
It was a “ tell “ as they say in poker and LE.
I didn’t watch the rest of his press conference , but,
I bet that’s the only time there
was such a long , long pause
where he had to measure his words.
My observation after watching that segment was
how euphoric Barry seemed
in contrast to how defensive and angry
he had always
seemed previously when he voluntarily brought up his BC.
That was a red flag to me.

Dr Chiyome Fukino released a statement on July 27, 2009
that clearly stated
that more documents exist for Barry in Hawaii.
What are those ?????

” I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health,
have seen the.... original ......vital .....records .....
maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health
verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii
and is a natural-born American citizen.”


61 posted on 05/01/2011 9:34:04 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
" He’s a detective used to interrogating criminal suspects and he was absolutely convinced that Barry knew he was not producing a birth certificate per se. When Barry starts to explain what he is showing- there is a looooong pause "

Not only that, but, he had to say that even if he did produce a long form, that it still won't be good enough for those " BIRTHERS " .....
62 posted on 05/01/2011 9:36:51 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: BladeBryan; Brown Deer

Retread toadying 0h0m0 suckup.


63 posted on 05/01/2011 9:50:28 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Time to understand that the national media including Fox will not touch this. They are saying now...”case closed”. They know if Barry is a fraud, as the evidence indicates, there will be blood in the streets.

We have to begin to concentrate on next year’s election...because we are stuck with this guy until then. We badly need a candidate...I don’t see one around.


64 posted on 05/01/2011 9:52:15 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Brown Deer; BladeBryan; Arthur Wildfire! March

Truth:

a Natural Born Citizen
http://www.birthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Please note that the correct title of Vattel’s Book I, Chapter 19, section 212, is “Of the citizens and naturals”. It is not “Of citizens and natives” as it was originally translated into English. [That explanation is covered exhaustively.] ... Our founding Fathers were men of high intellectual abilities, many were conversant in French, the diplomatic language of that time period. Benjamin Franklin had ordered 3 copies of the French Edition of “Le droit des gens,” which the deferred to as the authoritative version as to what Vattel wrote and what Vattel meant and intended to elucidate.”.

[article goes on to discuss the Blackstone counterpoint. Here’s part of that ...]

John Jay’s letter to Washington address this dual and permanent loyalty to England that Blackstone introduces. To George Washington, President of the Constitutional Convention, Jay writes “Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.” Jay not only knew of Vattel, , as can be seen from his correspondence with James Madison in 1780 during treaty negotiations with Spain, but he was also a proponent of Vattel as well.

What further discredits Blackstone as being the author of the Natural Born Citizen clause, is the first immigration act passed by our First Congress in 1790. In chapter III we find direct references to Vattel’s assertion that citizenship is derived from the father, in that citizenship was prohibited to children whose fathers have never gave intent to permanently reside of the Untied States. Interestingly in this same act, we also find the clarification of a Natural Born Citizen, as being one “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident in the United States:” Residency was defined in that same act as someone under oath declaring that they wished to remain and live in the Untied States. It should be noted that the Supreme Court was tasked with defining several phrases in this law, and since Jay was the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and had reviewed the immigration law of 1790. If Jay was in favor of Blackstone’s definition, he remained silent.

[snip/unquote]

Thanks to Arthur Wildfire! March for posting it.


65 posted on 05/01/2011 9:54:33 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kjo

The fact that the entire MSM, gov people both elected and appointed, “conservative” talk people, etc - are either lying or saying “yeah he’s an ineligible fraud but let’s just elect a better person in 2 years” - shows that we are now not under the Rule of Law but the Rule of Raw Power.

The criminal acts that have been committed cannot be swept under the rug. By doing so, we are damning our country to tyranny.


66 posted on 05/01/2011 9:57:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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67 posted on 05/01/2011 10:07:04 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: opentalk
I've seen that one several times, but the main question I have about it is that it mentions Hawaiian statute 338-17.8, which does allow children born abroad however according to some wasn't actually passed but until 1982. I don't know that for certain, however 1982 is mentioned in the law itself.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

68 posted on 05/01/2011 10:07:04 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Brown Deer

There is nothing about Obama or his life story that passes the smell test!
In fact, everything about Obama HUSSEIN stinks the high Heavens! They are continuing to hide his real Birth Certificate, most probably because the real Father is “Frank Marshall Davis,”


69 posted on 05/01/2011 10:10:42 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: Brown Deer

... regarding FF and NBC
When Zero-jr has finished flushing our country down
the toilet he doesn’t have to worry — he’s always
got another country he belongs to ... he can go back
to kenya -————This is exactly what the FF and NBC were
trying to prevent. And we’re all left with the mess here,
cause WE only have One country of origin (the majority of us).


70 posted on 05/01/2011 10:12:37 AM PDT by nightmarewhileawake
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To: ponygirl
“Nationality: British.” That’s all anyone needs to know.

Long live the...

...Flaming Queen

Tea party, anyone?

71 posted on 05/01/2011 10:21:34 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Brown Deer
"They have one child born Honolulu on 8/4/1961 – Barack Obama II, child living with mother (she lives with her parents & subject resides at 1482 Alencastre St.)," Woods wrote.

Well, isn't that interesting? So, just what is the address listed on the LFBC that Barky released last week?

Barky Sr. was a real piece of work.

72 posted on 05/01/2011 10:30:52 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Brown Deer

How ironic......

snip-”Perhaps it’s a good thing that the U.S. Senate didn’t take up a resolution on Barack Obama’s status as a “natural born Citizen” in 2008 – as members did for GOP candidate Sen. John McCain while both were seeking the U.S. presidency.

The Democrat might not have qualified under the requirements the Senate, including Obama, a co-sponsor and then-senator, put in the resolution, including the demand that the candidate have “American citizen” parents.”

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292901


73 posted on 05/01/2011 10:35:04 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Golden Eagle

First time I saw it, seems it has issues too. Thanks


74 posted on 05/01/2011 10:40:22 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: True Republican Patriot

It’s Malcolm X. Duh-bama looks more like him than Frank Marshall Davis or Duh-bama Sr. Since his momma was a whore, who knows which marxist she got knocked up by but since he’s playing the “birther” issue like a fiddle, I’m thinking he was born here but actually son of Malcolm X...his “trump” card to use for 2012.

75 posted on 05/01/2011 11:04:35 AM PDT by RasterMaster (We the tax-payer subsidize DUh-bama's failures)
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To: thecodont

LOL


76 posted on 05/01/2011 11:11:41 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: fwdude

>>>It’s funny that zerØ’s newest release of this new BC, instead of placating his critics, is actually bolstering his critics’ arguments.<<<

I have a little larger view of this whole mess. Obama is in this mess because he has declined not to be honest and open about his life and personal history. As a rabbi once told me, “A man willing to lie about a little thing is willing to lie about anything.”

The birth certificate issue is a metaphor for the man’s lack of character. Our confusion reflects his own lack of coherence.


77 posted on 05/01/2011 11:19:46 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
I thought that was disturbing also. Obama has not called it his "long form birth certificate", ---it was ---" huum huum certification"--.

He has the MSM run out and repeat release of long form birth certificate, over and over. (Including FOX)

78 posted on 05/01/2011 11:39:10 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: fwdude

Even though OB’s water carriers love it, he has turned at least few defenders that I know, into skeptics. Even some libs have Adobe Photoshop and get curious...


79 posted on 05/01/2011 1:05:44 PM PDT by California VWRC Member
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To: xzins

You’re stretching it now. Does that mean Hoover, Wilson, Arthur, Buchanan, Jackson and Jefferson were all ineligible to be president? Pehaps we should get SCOTUS to invalidate all of the acts during their presidencies too. Give me a break.

Obummer’s an idiot, but its time to stop with this crap and start focusing on issues. We have an election coming up and screaming about where his father was born won’t win us sh!t


80 posted on 05/01/2011 1:07:37 PM PDT by Emperor Corey
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