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To: Mr. Silverback

I didn’t say I agreed on everything, but being groped by the TSA represents a freedom lost, if you’re looking for examples.

I’d add wealth lost because of over taxation to fund excessive police efforts.

The Patriot Act represents a potential for abuse. I don’t know what rights I have lost there. Yet.


54 posted on 05/02/2011 2:22:09 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (...a.k.a. "Norm L. C. Bias")
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To: Beelzebubba
I didn’t say I agreed on everything, but being groped by the TSA represents a freedom lost, if you’re looking for examples.

I don't recall anyone stating that you agreed with Michael Moore on 'everything'. That would make you an America-hating loon. I don't see that in your previous posts.

The TSA groping is definitely annoying but we've experienced attempted airline bombings (Richard Reid -'the shoe bomber' in 2001 and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab,'the underwear bomber' in 2009. Had these men been successful, hundreds would have died. Precautions must be taken. Any 'freedom lost' is due to the threats from Muslim suicide bombers, not the government that is acting to protect it's citizens. Although we can quibble about the best methods to ensure that protection (and we all dislike the TSA) but the rationale for that agency is valid, based on our experience with would-be suicide bombers.

I’d add wealth lost because of over taxation to fund excessive police efforts.

Over-taxation is definitely a problem for Americans but not solely due to the cost of wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan but due to the reckless spending of the politicians in Washington on things other than the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. Yes, that includes Republicans. However, according to estimates, the cost of 9/11 was at least 100 billion. The defense of it's citizens is a governments primary obligation. Michael Moore would disagree but President Bush acted appropriately when he sent the U.S. military into Iraq and Afghanistan. That the leftist Obama is still keeping (and increasing) U.S. troops in Afghanistan validates their initial deployment following 9/11. Iraq is a fragile but democratic nation and the removal (and subsequent execution by Iraqis) of Saddam Hussein was both necessary and beneficial to Iraq's citizens and the security of the United States.

The Patriot Act represents a potential for abuse. I don’t know what rights I have lost there. Yet.

Speculation. You can't prove a negative.

59 posted on 05/02/2011 2:50:11 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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