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The Changing Story of the Fight in Bin Laden's Compound
The Atlantic ^ | 05/03/2011 | Adam Martin

Posted on 05/03/2011 1:50:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

The details of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound have changed a bit from last night to this morning to this afternoon. Contradicting yesterday's reports from Deputy National Security Advisor John Brennan, White House spokesman Jay Carney said today that Bin Laden was not armed when U.S. commandos raided his compound. He also said that it was "unclear" whether anybody had used a woman as a human shield, as Bin Laden was originally reported to have done.

At a briefing for television reporters on Monday night, one official told Politico's John Gerstein that, "a different guy's wife was killed," but nobody had been used as a human shield. Carney today said one woman had been killed in the crossfire as troops stormed the building that held Bin Laden. "The U.S. team found bin Laden in a room with one of his wives on one of the upper floors, Carney said. Bin Laden's wife rushed the U.S. commandos, and was shot in leg but not killed, he said. Bin Laden resisted and was shot and killed, Carney said." He didn't describe how Bin Laden had resisted, but said, "I think resistance does not require a firearm." Brennan had previously suggested Bin Laden had participated in a firefight.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlanticwire.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathofosama; orwelliannightmare; pravdamedia; revisionisthistory

1 posted on 05/03/2011 1:50:59 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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Man this is gonna drive a bunch of Freepers crazy... first we had the brithers now we’ll have the deathers...

No wonder the world thinks were a bunch of loons...

he’s dead Jim...


2 posted on 05/03/2011 1:51:59 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Just release the tape of the operation. Blob out the faces of the SEALS.


3 posted on 05/03/2011 1:53:58 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Too bad we can’t get the truth out of this administration about ANYTHING!


4 posted on 05/03/2011 1:54:18 PM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Wasn’t there a whole ROOMFUL of our so-called “leaders” sitting there and watching it together in live time? Why can’t they get their story straight?


5 posted on 05/03/2011 1:57:30 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Let the Muslim deathers produce the body then, dead or alive.


6 posted on 05/03/2011 1:57:47 PM PDT by kenavi ("Anything that can't stand up to ribbing isn't worth much to begin with." Eric Idle)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Gates sure needs to get on the podium and answer all the questions, instead of all these ‘know-nothings’ blabbing every scenario under the sun.

It was his people that went in / and went out! For goodness sakes, get your effin story right!

Doesn’t he report to Commander ZERO?

Where is ZERO???


7 posted on 05/03/2011 1:58:05 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
From the UK Mail Online:

Barack Obama kept military commanders hanging by declaring he would 'sleep on it' before taking 16 hours to give the go-ahead to raid Bin Laden's compound.

8 posted on 05/03/2011 2:00:24 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I guess this means we have one of his wives in custody. Earlier it was reported it was his youngest wife. I hope she is older than old Mo’s youngest wife.

Has the list of captured people been released yet?


9 posted on 05/03/2011 2:00:24 PM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“No wonder the world thinks were a bunch of loons...”

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That is news to me.

The Free Republic community, or conservatives in general?

Both are among the most rational, intelligent, well-informed and civilized people I know.


10 posted on 05/03/2011 2:02:09 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

This is what happens when you get a bunch of amateurs watching grainy direct-feed video while sitting in a situation room 8000 miles away. Confusion over who is doing what, which person in the video is whom, and leaks from the popcorn-munching spectators that are inconsistent.


11 posted on 05/03/2011 2:02:19 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Using EST, If the helicopters arrived at 4pm and the firefight lasted 40 minutes, its safe to say the body was probably not photographed, bagged, and in the air until 5pm at the earliest.

8 hours later its on a ship in the North Arabian Sea getting prepped to be dumped overboard?

During those 8 hours, according to the media, the body is flown by helicopter Northwest into Afghanistan some 200+ miles, it lands, they take out the body. They do DNA testing and facial recognition. They rebag the body, load it back into another helicopter, and fly 1000 miles to a US ship in the North Arabian Sea. All in 8 hours?

Not saying he is alive or anything like that. Just questioning the timeline. Why the rush?


12 posted on 05/03/2011 2:03:04 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Man this is gonna drive a bunch of Freepers crazy... first we had the brithers now we’ll have the deathers...

It will drive me crazy because Obama's group either purposely changes the story for some purpose, or they simply can't get themselves organized. I don't know which is worse.

Was it 2 copters, or 4? Was it 20 men or 40? Was bin Laden armed, or wasn't he? Was his wife killed or not? Did the copter crash or was it mechanical problems? Was UBL's DNA tested? If so, why was the body dumped a mere 12 hours later? Are there labs in Af-Pak who can test DNA in 12 hours? Why debate publishing photos after the fact? Wouldn't something like that be decided well in advance?

13 posted on 05/03/2011 2:05:06 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
White House spokesman Jay Carney said today that Bin Laden was not armed when U.S. commandos raided his compound

I suppose that the administration will want an investigation to see if Osama's rights were violated.
Killing an unarmed suspect is serious.

14 posted on 05/03/2011 2:05:43 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The details of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound have changed a bit from last night to this morning to this afternoon. Contradicting yesterday's reports from Deputy National Security Advisor John Brennan, White House spokesman Jay Carney said today that Bin Laden was not armed when U.S. commandos raided his compound. He also said that it was "unclear" whether anybody had used a woman as a human shield, as Bin Laden was originally reported to have done.

But the media will dutifully publish whatever version of propaganda the White House is feeding them today.

OBL is dead. Yes. Hurrah.

But this same press corp REFUSED to print any good news coming from the Pentagon regarding Iraq saying "we won't sit idlely by and print your propaganda" (paraphrased from a Washington Post reporter).

They should be AMERICANS first, not Democrat syncophants and they should realize that their flip flopping on 88 points of fact (or whatever the number is) within 36 hours starts to breed skepticism over other details.

The media has fabricated news before (photoshopped images, redacted quotes, made up witnesses, etc.). If the public is skeptical, it is because journalists are a disgrace to their profession today.

15 posted on 05/03/2011 2:06:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: RadiationRomeo

Where are the “captured” being held? Are they going to end up in Gitmo? That is one luxurious place from what I have read.
I say, patch them up and drop them over the border of Paaakistaaan, if we took them out of country.

We don’t need to be feeding and housing a bunch of wives who don’t know anything of value to us.


16 posted on 05/03/2011 2:07:20 PM PDT by IceAge
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Important, in this case historic, breaking news often has change in reported details. It will take a while to get a consistent story and then the conspiracists can go to town.


17 posted on 05/03/2011 2:08:09 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: stylin19a; Revolting cat!

Can’t release the tape of the raid. They didn’t read Osama his Miranda Rights.


18 posted on 05/03/2011 2:08:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
ok. THAT does it.

Forget about releasing one photo. Release the entire video.

What are the chances that we'll find out it wasn't OBL killed but his son, son in law, brother, step son....

As far as I'm concerned, OBL is alive and well LHAO.

19 posted on 05/03/2011 2:08:40 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: icwhatudo

The facial recognition photos and DNA samples were taken by the SEALS, the photos were sent immediately back to CIA just moments after they killed him...

All you need is a small amount of tissue and blood for DNA, there was a good bit of that all over the place after the firefight I’m sure...

Again, you guys are making the entire party look like a bunch of Art Bell types, please stop it.


20 posted on 05/03/2011 2:09:44 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

He’s dead Jim. Whether he died at Tora Bora and we feel confident to no longer use him for cover or he died in 2011, you don’t go this public with his death and leave open the slightest possibility of his return.

A FRESH dead body of Osama Bin Laden would mean he was killed in a raid. And they conveniently disposed of the body/evidence. DNA samples are just that.

OBL is dead. No need to speculate otherwise. But I will call out the press for their shifting sands yellow journalism.


21 posted on 05/03/2011 2:12:55 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
After listening to descriptions today of the compound and how we watched it with satellites and saw binLaden walking an hour a day in the courtyard, I was struck with this thought:

What if the Pakistani gov’t had him under house arrest and effectively neutralized?

Think about it. It would explain an awful lot. It would make sense from the Pakistani point of view ... to enable them to walk the line, so to speak. If this is the case, makes you wonder about our knowledge, timing, motivation. Also, it would explain why he was not particularly armed.

Just wondering.

22 posted on 05/03/2011 2:12:55 PM PDT by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: JustSurrounded

Several things to consider, IF Pakistan held him under house arrest, they (A) would be putting themselves at risk of possible terrorist attack (and their government has its fifth columnists) but (B) they may have been holding him to barter from something big from Uncle Sam.

One other thing I haven’t heard discussed. I’ve heard liberal denouncing Bush for letting Osama get away all this time. We hadn’t won. Yadda yadda yadda. How many more attacks did OBL mastermind or finance? What has his fingerprints on it since he went into hiding? KSM spilled the beans on some plans and we successfully thwarted them.

Was WWII “lost” because some high members of the Nazi Party fled for years?

The journalist desk criticisms of 2001-2008 are bogus. They are the raspberries from the peanut gallery and mean nothing in a historical context.


23 posted on 05/03/2011 2:17:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Someone has ‘disappeared’ Gates.

Hope he didn’t get an invite to a picnic lunch at some park in Chicago.


24 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:09 PM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I guess Drudge is an art bell type also as he is linking to inconsistencies in the story.

Osama wife killed.

Osama wife not killed.

Osama had a gun.

Osama did not have gun.

Mission was to only kill Osama.

Mission gave Osama option of surrendering.


The media stated the facial recognition and DNA testing was done at a US base in Afghanistan.

If you are correct. That the testing, samples, photos, etc were done by the Seals while at the compound, then there is no way the body was in the air until well after 5pm EST.

Why then does the body go NW some 200+ miles by chopper to a US base in Afghanistan, then go 1000 miles South by chopper to a US ship in, if we go by your claim, is now well less than 8 hours? All I’m asking is why the rush? I’m not talking UFO’s or grand conspiracies, just how...and why..all that was done in less than 8 hrs.


25 posted on 05/03/2011 2:21:52 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

He IS dead and he WAS killed two days ago. But I agree, forget the photo, release video of the kill shot.


26 posted on 05/03/2011 2:22:03 PM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: PGR88
If so, why was the body dumped a mere 12 hours later?

In accordance with/against Islamic traditions for a man who was a muslim/was not a muslim because he was an "extremist terrorist" to appease the arab street who are muslims who do not support OBL in anyway but don't want to see him disrespected...

George Orwell knew Stalinists like this who'd use doublespeak at every turn.

27 posted on 05/03/2011 2:22:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

First rule of combat:

The first reports from the field are ALWAYS wrong.

Second rule:

The second and third reports are usually wrong too.


28 posted on 05/03/2011 2:23:38 PM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Exactly. I just don’t get the “deathers”.


29 posted on 05/03/2011 2:26:31 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Not to mention the Chinese version where Osama was
killed in the helo crash...

Conspirafodder


30 posted on 05/03/2011 2:26:54 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Mr. K

And, when was the last time we actually got the straight truth from this administration? Sadly, I’m to the point where when they say it, I immediately don’t believe it.


31 posted on 05/03/2011 2:28:01 PM PDT by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

What happened? Did you run out of cop bashing articles for today?

So now you want to bash Freepers that have questions..... You need to change your meds.

Good day..... Got to go play outsde for a bit.

Get well soon.


32 posted on 05/03/2011 2:30:12 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

bump


33 posted on 05/03/2011 2:30:22 PM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: PGR88

“Was it 2 copters, or 4? Was it 20 men or 40?”
4 choppers. “U.S. officials familiar with the raid said that what happened was this: the original plan was that the two Blackhawk helicopters carrying the main assault force were supposed to hover above bin Laden’s compound throughout the course of the raid and the commandos were supposed to rappel from the aircraft down to the ground.

However, U.S. officials said that one of the helicopters encountered trouble due to unexpected flying conditions. In an account whose details other officials confirmed, Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein said: “I know what I’ve been told, which was that the temperature was 17 degrees higher than anticipated, and based on the temperature, and the load in the helicopter, the helicopter began to descend, and so it was a kind of controlled but hard landing.”

Other officials said the landing was hard enough to disable the helicopter which the U.S. team destroyed. The second Blackhawk then made an unscheduled landing and the raiders later piled into that aircraft and two Chinook helicopters which had flown in as backup when the mission was over.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/us-binladen-qanda-idUSTRE7426Z720110503

“Are there labs in Af-Pak who can test DNA in 12 hours?”
“The vast majority of a person’s DNA sequence will be the same as every other person’s. So a test, which can be done in a few hours if needed, typically focuses on a small number of locations on the genome, usually 13 to 16 spots.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/science/03dna.html?ref=osamabinladen


34 posted on 05/03/2011 2:47:45 PM PDT by ironman
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To: icwhatudo

What chopper has a 1000 mile range?


35 posted on 05/03/2011 2:59:36 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I'm guessing that's why he was shot. Obama & Holder would have tried him in a civilian court, with Osama having all Constitutional rights.
We saw how well that went the last time they tried that.
36 posted on 05/03/2011 3:03:53 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The latest is that they accidentally tripped over the cord to Osama’s Dialisis Machine and accidentally pulled his Catheter out. He actually didn’t get shot but one of the SEALs gave him a pretty bad cold.


37 posted on 05/03/2011 3:04:13 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: King of Florida
You say he is dead because soetoro said so. He is a compulsive liar. Why start believing him now? Maybe if someone more official said that OBL was d e a d, I'd be more apt to believe.

Putting my unbelieving aside, what scares me is that this administration is so stupid that they will reveal the identity of the SEALS... and the SEALS will be punished.

To some extent, I wish OBL was left alone.

The victims should have been sent a questionaire as to how they would have wanted OBL taken care of. It seems these people had no say. BTW, my uncle was in the North building. (Truly, when I heard OBL was dumped in the sea, I thought it was a joke. I was shocked to find out it was true.) Soetoro cares more for the murderer than for the murdered.

38 posted on 05/03/2011 3:05:31 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Too many people involved to be able to hide any truths.

BC= 1 maybe 2 people.

The killing of Osama would require hundreds.


39 posted on 05/03/2011 3:05:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I can't force my kids to take on the DNC vote buy debts and be hated for working while doing so.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’m getting confused. Did they now say Osama was dressed like a woman? LOL!!!


40 posted on 05/03/2011 3:22:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Hey, Magical Mischief Tour, battles are chaotic. It’s hard to figure out who did what where.

For example, I read osama wasn’t armed. Then I heard that osama drew a picture of an AK on a paper tablet and that was good enough to shoot the peckerhead. No problem for me.

Another version tells us that he drew a picture of a surrender monkey but it wasn’t clear to the SEALS. I think the lead his pencil broke. So they shot him. I can understand that.

Regardless, the US Navy stuffed his dead body in FedEx envelope addressed straight to hell. He had to swim to get there, but WTF. He got there. YAY!!!
I have no problem with that.

If someone has a different version, now’s the time to contribute before this thread shuts down.


41 posted on 05/03/2011 3:36:28 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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42 posted on 05/03/2011 3:38:09 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman
That's awesome. That's the Rezko green!
43 posted on 05/03/2011 3:40:41 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: IceAge
We don’t need to be feeding and housing a bunch of wives who don’t know anything of value to us.

Well certainly there must have been "pillow talk". Hmmmm, I wonder if...never mind.

44 posted on 05/03/2011 3:45:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month...April.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
JibJab's 2009 video tells a prescient version that is essentially what really happened Sunday, with only a little bit of animation to simulate the classified parts "Ka-Chow Ka-Cha"! BHO is giving the SEALs credit to keep out secret weapon from being discovered.
45 posted on 05/03/2011 5:27:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
JibJab's 2009 video tells a prescient version that is essentially what really happened Sunday, with only a little bit of animation to simulate the classified parts "Ka-Chow Ka-Cha"! BHO is giving the SEALs credit to keep out secret weapon from being discovered.
46 posted on 05/03/2011 5:32:28 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Imagine the waling of your typical liberal if this raid had happened a few years ago and it became known that Bin Laden was shot while he was unarmed!!

I do wish they’d dressed him in fishnets and spike heels and took a few pictures before they dumped him into the ocean!!


47 posted on 05/03/2011 5:58:42 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Blame the White House and the press.

He was armed and fired, he wasn't armed at all. He used his wife as a shield, no he charged the SEALs herself. It was capture-or-kill, no it was kill. Pakistan was involved, Pakistan wasn't. It's irritating.

48 posted on 05/03/2011 6:13:20 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Even the worst golfer can get a birdie. Stay focused on debt & deficits!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Blame the White House and the press.

He was armed and fired, he wasn't armed at all. He used his wife as a shield, no he charged the SEALs herself. It was capture-or-kill, no it was kill. Pakistan was involved, Pakistan wasn't. It's irritating.

49 posted on 05/03/2011 6:13:23 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Even the worst golfer can get a birdie. Stay focused on debt & deficits!)
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