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My Unstable Mind | May 3rd, 2011 | Mariner

Posted on 05/03/2011 1:53:07 PM PDT by Mariner

With all the renewed talk about waterboarding I thought it would be a good thing to open a thread where folks who have been waterboarded can sign and leave their comments for posterity.

The rest of the Freepers can thank us for our service and sacrifice in perfecting this effective non-torture technique.

And, there is not one person who has administered a session that has not themselves been "on the board".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: deathofosama; ksm; nationalsecurity; waterboard; waterboarding
Please make your claim and state whether you believe it's torture. Also, do you believe it to be effective in getting somebody to tell everything they know?
1 posted on 05/03/2011 1:53:09 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

War Criminal #18 first to sign in.


2 posted on 05/03/2011 1:55:20 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

So, how about you start us off. Have you been on the board?

I saw a fake waterboarding on a teevee show (Prison Break), and I was surprised that the victim’s face was covered with saran wrap.

I guess I really don’t get the whole concept, except that it is supposed to make you feel like you are drowning when you really aren’t.

So tell us what you know about it.


3 posted on 05/03/2011 1:58:43 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Mariner
A neighbor of my wife's family, as a young man.

Became a doctor with a successful practice, lived past 90. Tragically hurt in a taxi accident, lingered months in pain before passing away.
4 posted on 05/03/2011 2:00:34 PM PDT by kenavi ("Anything that can't stand up to ribbing isn't worth much to begin with." Eric Idle)
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To: Mariner

My brother was boarded before going on an extended tour of Asia in the sixties...said he wouldn’t want it to be a daily practice, but it didn’t kill him. He was like that though. Never could talk about what he was doing, just doing his job.


5 posted on 05/03/2011 2:02:39 PM PDT by jessduntno (Liberalism is socialism in a party dress. And just as masculine.)
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To: Mariner

I was in Army Intelligence for six years and later with another agency. What do you think?


6 posted on 05/03/2011 2:02:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: Mariner

Not a waterboarder or boardee, but I bet OBL wishes that’s all that happened to him.


7 posted on 05/03/2011 2:06:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Mariner

That would be anybody who went to SERE. Probably quite a few here.

IMHO, if there’s no permanent physical injury, it’s not torture. Otherwise we’re arguing a sliding scale with nicely asking questions at one end, a standard (and legal) police interrogation further up, and so on. Anyone can define any point on that scale as being torture, and nobody’s opinion will have anymore validity than anybody else’s. A bleeding heart lib will say you frowned at him, so that’s torture, whereas a Mossad operator will probably have a much higher threshold.


8 posted on 05/03/2011 2:09:55 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mariner
P-3 Aircrew Cold War Warrior here, water-boarded twice in SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Excape).
Has to be the closest thing to drowning I've ever been, but after the training talked to the Navy Corpsman who's part of the routine it is to help "hold me down" - except he was checking my pulse rate throughout.

I spoofed them the second time and faked choking - they let me up.

Warner Springs in October. Brrrrr!

9 posted on 05/03/2011 2:10:52 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Mariner

Graduate of the USN Law of War course.

It’s not against the law because “torture” was defined as.......”physical bodily harm or death”. That was tied to US code. Therefore, it didn’t meet the threshold.

Furthermore, the articles governing the Treatment of POWs in the Third Convention of the Geneva Conventions was written in a time to deal with the atrocities following WWII (it was written in 1949).

Absent from the discussion is the FACT that terrorists, or any other entity not following the Law of War, is not given POW protection afforded by the Geneva Conventions.

But that (withdrawing of GC protections) has to be determined by a competent military tribunal....and that has not been the case: and this is where the Pentagon has dropped the ball.

Sir, War Criminal #41, sir.


10 posted on 05/03/2011 2:11:58 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Mariner
Waterboarded at Huachuca. Still have trouble swimming with my face down in the water. But then, I was crazy before the Army.
11 posted on 05/03/2011 2:12:31 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; investigateworld; lowbuck; ...
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I did not attend SERE School, but perhaps some of you who have would want to weigh in?

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12 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:20 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: Mariner

E&E Course, back then as a 1st Lt..


13 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:38 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The storm clouds of war are on the horizon, 1939 is again approaching us.)
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To: Semper911
I was strapped to a 3/4 plywood board using aircraft strappings at the ankles, knees, hips, chest and wrists.

A very large beach towel was folded and soaked in a bucket of water and then held VERY firmly over my face.

Then a water hose was draining over the towel.

The whole time I was never asked a question. They asked questions of the Lt1 who was forced to watch all the while them threatening to kill me.

I had never even heard of the waterboard before and had just spent 8 days in the wilderness with nothing to eat.

They told me when it was over "I bet THAT was the longest 5 minutes of your life. I was "submerged" 6 times in the 5 min period...with about 10secs between each.

14 posted on 05/03/2011 2:22:16 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner
So yes, I lasted over twice as long as KSM.

He's a pu$$y.

15 posted on 05/03/2011 2:28:12 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: grobdriver
"Warner Springs in October."

Sucks in June too.

16 posted on 05/03/2011 2:29:17 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

Great thread, Mariner. Thanks to all you guys who trained hard to do the hard jobs.


17 posted on 05/03/2011 2:32:55 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob; admin; Jim Robinson
"Great thread, Mariner. Thanks to all you guys who trained hard to do the hard jobs."

Yeah, but the admin mod too it out of breaking news (technically not breaking news) and therefore SUBSTANTIALLY reduced it's visibility for the dozens, if not hundreds of "boardees" (or, if you prefer, those who proudly remember the War Criminal Number).

So I'm asking them again, please put this in Breaking News for a day so that the some of our fellow heroes can be recognized.

18 posted on 05/03/2011 2:37:18 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Talisker
"Torture is the deliberate infliction of suffering - of any kind - to achieve a certain purpose, usually information.

Period.

So, it YOUR contention the the US Military deliberately TORTURED thousands of it's best and brightest!?!?!?

Really?

Or, how about those 40 mile forced marches with full packs endured by MILLIONS? Was that torture too?

20 posted on 05/03/2011 2:43:35 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Talisker

So at what precise point does interrogation become torture? If I keep you awake a little too long? Leave the lights on? Play Britney Spears 24/7?


21 posted on 05/03/2011 2:44:53 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: grobdriver

Also Warner Springs in Oct 85...


22 posted on 05/03/2011 2:45:29 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Magnum44; grobdriver
"Also Warner Springs in Oct 85..."

June 79 for me.

Prickly pears. Yuk. Our whole crew found about 2.

On day 5 or so one of the trainer came to camp with a dead jack rabbit (there were 40 or 50 of us) and I got the eye.

That was as hungry as I had ever been. Stung by wasps, blisters, sunburned, beaten/bruised, waterboarded and no more than 3 hours sleep in the final 4 days.

We had plenty of clean, fresh water though:)

23 posted on 05/03/2011 2:51:57 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Talisker
Hey Talisker, last week a I got a email about the ‘post turtle’. Was that you who started that? Really loved that email.

sorry for the vanity on this post.

24 posted on 05/03/2011 2:52:48 PM PDT by redshawk (Hey 0pansy. I'm scratching my nose too; and not with my index finger!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

It’s apparent Talisker has an opinion not based in reality.


25 posted on 05/03/2011 2:55:27 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner
SERE at North Island and Warner Springs, '69.

The 'guards' would pick out 3 or four for a waterboarding demonstration with the rest of us watching. I wasn't one chosen...thankfully. The 'voluteers' would give up their little sisters after the second pail.

VQ-1
26 posted on 05/03/2011 3:05:46 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK
"VQ-1 "

We both spent time on Guam. You were the next hangar over.

27 posted on 05/03/2011 3:07:28 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

Changing my tagline.


28 posted on 05/03/2011 3:14:52 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Nope, detached to VQ-1 flying out of DaNang. VQ-1 was homed in Atsugi at that time and covered both N. Viet Nam and Korea a rotation.

I didn't get to rotate with the A/C.....stuck in DaNang.

PR-21, PR-23, PR-24, PR-26 and 27, PR-31 and Pr-32.
29 posted on 05/03/2011 3:25:21 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Mariner

SERE/CWST Brunswick, Maine ‘91... the winter of love, at 35 below, I would have snuggled with Keith Olbermann to keep warm... Water Boarding? that was for little girls compared to what we got.


30 posted on 05/03/2011 3:37:58 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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31 posted on 05/03/2011 3:39:23 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mariner

If I “had” been I would never publicly or privately confirm it.


32 posted on 05/03/2011 3:40:31 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Mariner

Supposedly KSM was waterboarded how many times: 168??

Sooner or later you have to recognize that this contined treatment is horseshit and you’re not going to be allowed to die, so F’em, go with the plan!


33 posted on 05/03/2011 4:31:57 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose lips sink ships!)
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To: Mariner

Supposedly KSM was waterboarded how many times: 168??

Sooner or later you have to recognize that this contined treatment is horseshit and you’re not going to be allowed to die, so F’em, go with the plan!


34 posted on 05/03/2011 4:32:11 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose lips sink ships!)
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To: Noob1999
"Supposedly KSM was waterboarded how many times: 168??"

Mis/Disinformation.

He spent 2 minutes on the waterboard and purred like a kitten from that time forward.

35 posted on 05/03/2011 4:39:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kakaze
"If I “had” been I would never publicly or privately confirm it."

Dude. It's already public information as to what goes on at SERE. It's been on the news.

You are free to speak about it now...legally:)

36 posted on 05/03/2011 4:42:32 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I got the eye

Man, you got all the Vitamin C. We got a rabbit and a squirrel.

37 posted on 05/03/2011 4:52:44 PM PDT by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Mariner
BROKER was waterboarding Spring 1975 near San Diego courtesy of US Navy SERE School. We were in training for overseas assignments vulnerable to foreign capture and torture. My treatment was particularly severe in retribution for flipping an combatant officer over my shoulder to the dirt. On the board I passed out and scared these faux combatants.

Waterboarding is no big deal.

38 posted on 05/03/2011 6:25:37 PM PDT by Broker (Mabuhay!)
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To: Balata

Did you really mean to say vitamin see?


39 posted on 05/03/2011 6:26:21 PM PDT by dglang
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To: dglang

The aqueous humour of the rabbits eye serves as a source of vitamin C. We were told the only higher source of vitamin C in a survival situation was rose pedals and we wouldn’t see any of those. That’s the story they gave us.


40 posted on 05/03/2011 6:58:03 PM PDT by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: magslinger

I went to SERE school in 1968. At the time, we were deprived of food, put in small boxes, sent on 7 mile marches, run thru a simulated enemy zone and put thru an enemy camp with interrogation, “open handed” smackdowns (which hurt pretty darn good) but that was all pre-waterboarding.

When they had us do an about face at 3 AM or so and started playing the Star Spangled Banner, I’m sure mine was not the only face with tears.

Over the years, I always think back to that time when confronted with a nasty situation, always figuring “I handled SERE, I can handle this.”


41 posted on 05/03/2011 7:37:16 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Broker

Thanks for checking in and telling it.


42 posted on 05/03/2011 7:40:57 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Y’all really make me feel old.

Enlisted to evade the draft 1965

RELACDU 1969

Sent my stuff to Bainbridge 1976

SERE? Waterboarding?

Worst punishment I got was having to admit that I was in at the same time as j f’ing kerry.


43 posted on 05/03/2011 8:45:39 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((628 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: grobdriver

My hubby was waterboarded as part of his survival training too. He has had NO problems from it at all.


44 posted on 05/04/2011 5:32:41 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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