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AOL News: Osama Bin Laden Was Unarmed During Navy SEAL Raid, Says White House (Baaaaarf!)
AOL News ^ | 4/5/11 | MATT APUZZO and ADAM GOLDMAN

Posted on 05/04/2011 2:40:36 AM PDT by Eleutheria5

Panetta said that bin Laden made "some threatening moves that were made that clearly represented a clear threat to our guys. And that's the reason they fired."

The SEALs were back in the U.S. at Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington for debriefing on the raid, lawmakers said after meeting with Panetta.

The question of how to present bin Laden's death to the world is a difficult balancing act for the White House. President Barack Obama told Americans that justice had been done, but the White House also declared that bin Laden's body was treated respectfully and sent to rest in a somber ceremony at sea.

Panetta underscored on Tuesday that Obama had given permission to kill the terror leader: "The authority here was to kill bin Laden," he said. "And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him."

For the long-term legacy of the most successful counterterrorism operation in U.S. history, the fact that bin Laden was unarmed is unlikely to matter much to the Americans he declared war against. President George W. Bush famously said he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive," and the CIA's top counterterrorism official once promised to bring bin Laden's head back on a stake.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; osama; panetta; unarmed
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To: Cementjungle
"The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.

The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members. "

Al Arabiya

21 posted on 05/04/2011 3:59:55 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: tobyhill

Don’t hold your breath.


22 posted on 05/04/2011 4:00:04 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s beginning to sound to me like the Administration wanted to take UBL alive but the SEALS had other ideas. The Administration can’t get the story straight because it wasn’t their game plan.


23 posted on 05/04/2011 4:05:21 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: LibWhacker

I think he was under house arrest.@


24 posted on 05/04/2011 4:08:07 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“What about those CIA people blown up at a Birthday party?”

When did this happen? I don’t recall this.


25 posted on 05/04/2011 4:09:21 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: sgtyork
Fox & FRiends are insistant that their source says that Osama was armed.

When they questioned their source again they said they do not know why the WH is claiming he didn't, but he did have one.

26 posted on 05/04/2011 4:12:54 AM PDT by mware
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To: HarleyD

“It’s beginning to sound to me like the Administration wanted to take UBL alive but the SEALS had other ideas.”

I’ve been thinking along these lines since the news broke. I’d normally doubt that SEAL’s would take it upon themselves to put aside their orders, but this particular situation may have been different in their minds. It would have been in mine. To hell with Obozo and his courtroom sideshow.


27 posted on 05/04/2011 4:16:57 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I have a different take on all this.It seems to me it’s the WH staff along with the CIA and others that is throwing BHO under the bus. The unflattering photo in the Sit room, Rumors of preasure on the pres from HC and LP, but now it’s all Obama’s fault, it was his orders, etc.


28 posted on 05/04/2011 4:20:21 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m left with a question for the liberals in America: Why is it OK to authorize troops to kill OBL and not OK to use enhanced interrogation techniques on him in the event we captured him?


29 posted on 05/04/2011 4:25:44 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Liberals believe it’s better to kill them than “torture” or offend them, kinda like it’s better to kill Grandma than pay for her hip surgery. It’s part of their backward mentality and stunning hypocrisy.


30 posted on 05/04/2011 4:32:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: HarleyD
"...but the SEALS had other ideas."

I sincerely doubt that. The SEALS are highly trained, precise, and follow orders to the letter. Various mission breakdowns and wasted time would result in any "Cowboys" among the unit.

My guess, they were ordered to kill, last thing Obama and the rest of his administration would want is the biggest living terrorist magnet alive waiting for a trial. Could not score political points if you kept the "prisoner" a secret as well.

This whole episode boils down to politics; Obama gets the "stroking" of an American Presidential hero while at the same time making the US military look like cold blooded assassins. Obama: "I wanted him alive and we were in position to take him. I guess those SEALS must have been Republicans because they sure acted like Bush's violent and reckless "Cowboys". Also, the violence was all Hillary's fault too."

To this administration, just like all other would be or perfect totalitarian regimes, the people are "too stupid" to know the truth. We are not a free people, we are all useful idiots in the current White House perspective. Hence, all the disinformation from a very immature Administration.
31 posted on 05/04/2011 4:42:40 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: sergeantdave
Birthday Cake Awaited Suicide Bomber at CIA Base
32 posted on 05/04/2011 4:47:26 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: Eleutheria5
"The question of how to present bin Laden's death to the world is a difficult balancing act for the White House"

Then why is Obambi going to ground zero tomorrow to gloat about it?

33 posted on 05/04/2011 4:47:57 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: LibWhacker

>”He had to have heard them coming and he had more than enough time to arm himself.”

Yes, if Bin Laden wasn’t armed that late in the attack, it was on purpose, and he had hopes of being captured alive. I’m glad he was killed anyway, and thereby deprived of the opportunity of using his trial for propaganda. In this instance “wanted dead or alive” — but preferably dead! — was justified.

Ideally he’d have been captured, waterboarded for information, then killed (executed after a non-public trial abroad), but this administration probably wouldn’t have had the gumption to do that. Also, as I understand it, while he was in hiding, he wouldn’t have known about many of the details of Al-Qaeda operations. So maybe the information lost by killing him without interrogating him wasn’t as important as we might think.


34 posted on 05/04/2011 5:03:51 AM PDT by GJones2 (Bin Laden not armed?)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I hope a bunch of muzzies show up to protest him when the event occurs. I also hope that the MSM gets it on live TV.


35 posted on 05/04/2011 5:30:45 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: tanknetter

> The guy was a rich coward who sat back and allowed others to do his dirty work (including suicide attacks) for him.

It’s possible that when it came time to face death, Bin Laden became a coward, but I doubt it. He was a rich person who could have led a relatively safe and self-indulgent life if he’d chosen not to become a terrorist. He knew he was putting his life on the line when he made that choice. I don’t doubt that evil fanatics are capable of being brave. (I think they’re typically more brave than the average person.) That doesn’t keep them from being contemptible, though.

My guess is that the reason he didn’t fight to the death (which would have enhanced his reputation as a heroic figure among those inclined to support him) is that he hoped to use his trial as a forum to spread his message. Killing him while he was unarmed — whether on purpose or because he really was thought to be resisting — isn’t going to hurt the U.S. much, though.

It’s hard for a terrorist of his notoriety to play the role of victim. Whatever victim value his being killed while being unarmed might have is more than counterbalanced by the detrimental effect of his not fighting to the death (when he had the opportunity to do so). Being killed while trying to surrender isn’t a heroic way to go.


36 posted on 05/04/2011 5:31:48 AM PDT by GJones2 (Bin Laden not armed?)
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To: LibWhacker

“He had to have heard them coming and he had more than enough time to arm himself”

Reports are that there were a lot of children in his bedroom. I guess he was just being a good mass murdering father by not having weapons lay around. /s


37 posted on 05/04/2011 5:51:30 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Cementjungle

I put nothing past Obama but that would be one very stupid move.


38 posted on 05/04/2011 6:02:59 AM PDT by surrey
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To: eastforker

I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. They must know this guy is a sick puppy, and they don’t want to go down with him.


39 posted on 05/04/2011 6:03:29 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
"And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him."

Let's go to the video tape! Mel, are we looking at a case where a tie goes to the runner, here?

Close doesn't describe it, Jerry! Did OBL have his hands in the air before the team was able to squeeze off a couple of rounds? It appears his hands are coming forward and his palms aaaare juuuust beginning to show before we see the first muzzle flash (Ku-POW!) but gee, I dunno, Jerry, it's just too close to call!

Well, Mel, you do have to determine whether OBL is in fact, surrendering at that point. According to league rules, in order to surrender, an opponents hands do have to be above the chest and if we roll the tape again, I don't believe his hands have reached his nipples!

Well, Jer, I have seen close ones in my time, but this has got to rank up there with some of the all-time closest calls! That's it from the booth and back to Tony in the studio...

40 posted on 05/04/2011 6:15:43 AM PDT by Hatteras
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