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Airships are ready to make their big comeback
IO9 ^ | Alasdair Wilkins

Posted on 05/04/2011 4:32:24 PM PDT by AfricanChristian

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To: gorush
I would guess that heavy lifting/cargo applications would be their market.

We'll see; if there is value (esp. in these times), it can certainly be applied if the effort is made.

21 posted on 05/04/2011 5:13:02 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I saw that as well and am wondering about a more fundamental problem-- economics. Hardly anybody lives in the remote regions of Northern Canada or Western China.

Maybe there is a specialty market to move mining equipment in and mined materials out or whatever. Maybe some opportunity to rotate some of those North Slope oil workers in and out for a little R & R, though I question it. Considering the money they pull in, they're going to prefer a two hour flight in and out of Anchorage for R&R, not a day or so on an airship.

I see far more viability on some well established route such as Boston to Dublin, New York to Tokyo or whatever.

22 posted on 05/04/2011 5:16:06 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AfricanChristian

Not to put too fine a point on it, but hydrogen was not the fuel of the Hindenberg, but the lighter-than-air gas that provided it with its buoyancy in the atmosphere.


23 posted on 05/04/2011 5:16:06 PM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: GenXteacher

Exactly right. Weather also got the Navy’s other two big airships, the Akron and the Macon.


24 posted on 05/04/2011 5:16:43 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

What do you think about their potential in remote regions in Africa? Do you think Airships are technically feasible?African roads are either in terrible shape or non-existent and few African governments have either the resources or could secure financing to bridge the infrastructure deficit.

If Airships prove to be a feasible low cost alternative to road transport, they could boost commerce in Africa. It is currently cheaper to ship a container from China to Lagos (Nigeria) than from Lagos (Nigeria) to Abuja (Nigeria) by road.


25 posted on 05/04/2011 5:22:23 PM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: elcid1970
All the other huge dirigibles died in windstorms:

It was adverse weather that initiated the end of the Hindenberg too.

26 posted on 05/04/2011 5:23:46 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: AfricanChristian

To be truthful, the Hindenburg couldn’t have used helium, even if it was available. The use of helium would have required additional gas cells with even more supporting structure. The consequences of which would be critical sacrifices in the range/load equation that would have seriously impacted its marketing image. It would also have had serious impact upon already marginal handling qualities.

On departure on its famous last flight it was so heavily loaded it had to make use of “dynamic bouyancy” (in effect “surfing” the air in a nose up attitude) in order to takeoff. At cruise every effort was made to avoid rain showers to avoid incurring the additional weight of rain water absorbed by the aluminum doped (and extremely flammable in consequence) fabric covering as this might have forced the jettisoning of fuel and the embarrassment of an unscheduled landing at the flight’s outset.

Can modern “airships” overcome these limitations ? Its problematical, even given the advances in materials available to today’s designers. Even “aerodyne” designs are still subject to the same physical laws that governed the Hindenburg.

Airships don’t fit well in our modern air traffic environment. They require open spaces and low winds. Turbulence is their deadly enemy. But turbulence from jet traffic is endemic at all large airports. dUnless the purveyors of these “cruises” are prepared to create alternative landing zones not in conflict with normal air traffic and provide the ground control, safety and passenger services needed, I don’t see the idea having much chance of success. >PS


27 posted on 05/04/2011 5:25:32 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: gorush
I would guess that heavy lifting/cargo applications would be their market.

It would be, and I remember articles saying the same thing back in the 1970's.

28 posted on 05/04/2011 5:28:32 PM PDT by Moonman62 (If gullible, uneducated and uncivilized people didn't exist, politicians would create them.)
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To: AfricanChristian

To be “accurate” the Hindenburg’s fuel wasn’t “flammable hydrogen”. It was diesel. In fact the Germans went to some lengths to recover the Hindenburg’s engines after the crash on order to preserve their “secret” -they thought - technology.
>PS


29 posted on 05/04/2011 5:33:17 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: AfricanChristian

Good article. Thanks.


30 posted on 05/04/2011 5:39:01 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: AfricanChristian

Imagine a small bridge that could be built in sections near the place it is to span. Once the old bridge was dropped the new bridge sections could dropped into place by an airship. The disruption to traffic would be reduced from weeks to days. I assume the construction of the bridge would also be far simpler if it was done on the ground.


31 posted on 05/04/2011 5:39:24 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Reaganez

‘Fringe fan?’

Didn’t see ‘Fringe’, but they used them in ‘Caprica’.


32 posted on 05/04/2011 5:42:14 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: GenXteacher

I think Doppler radar makes it pretty easy to dodge weather now...


33 posted on 05/04/2011 5:42:28 PM PDT by piytar (The Four Horsemen: War, Pestilence, Famine, and Bob. Be not proud, Bob! (ht to Gen.Blather))
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To: AfricanChristian

I’m going to royally pissed if after more than 100 years of powered flight, I have to get on a stupid blimp.


34 posted on 05/04/2011 5:42:56 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: AfricanChristian
FWIW, The "Hindenburg" was quite luxurious, and the service was allegedly nonpareil.

The main salon even had a special aluminum grand piano built by Blüthner.....


35 posted on 05/04/2011 5:45:34 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Reaganez
I live in the Akron, Ohio area so the Goodyear blimp is a regular sight (during daylight hours) But a couple nights ago I was driving and saw a very large craft seeming to hover with lights that were positioned so that it looked like something out of a SciFi movie. Pulled off the road, turned off the engine, rolled down the window and voila! The rumble of aircraft motors powering the blimp.

It immediately reminded me of the scene in a Fringe episode where Olivia is a small girl looking up at a passing Zeppelin immediately after transporting herself into the parallel universe. Whoever did the sound for the engine noise of that craft got it exactly right. The other point is that if blimps and Zeppelins ever become commonplace the nighttime reports of UFO's will go through the roof. Seeing something at night that big in the sky moving so slowly is quite eerie.

36 posted on 05/04/2011 5:46:06 PM PDT by katana
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To: GenXteacher

Don’t forget what also happened to the “Akron” and “Macon”.


37 posted on 05/04/2011 5:47:20 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

I will say that I would give it a whirl. They probably are much safer now (famous last words).


38 posted on 05/04/2011 5:47:54 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: AfricanChristian
As the article mentions, there are vast areas of Canada with no roads. The main potential for airships is to service oil & gas or mineral exploration camps in remote areas. It can cost hundreds of millions of dollars to put a road through to these areas — if that were even allowed. Roads are not wanted in many areas, for wilderness preservation. Airships could save money, where the alternative is a temporary road. Even ice roads are expensive; when one considers that they have to be built anew every year.

I don't know what the potential is for Africa. If there are permanent roads, it might be cheaper (in most instances) to fix them up. Of course, that depends on the amount of traffic, especially freight, that the roads carry. Roads tend to have a very high fixed cost, and lower variable costs. Anywhere that cargo planes are used, is a likely contender for airships.

39 posted on 05/04/2011 6:10:01 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: GenXteacher

All of the US built rigids had structural problems, Shenandoah, Akron, Macon.

The only Navy rigid that was sound was the German reparation ship, the Los Angeles.

Blame the Navy and Goodyear (and perhaps the German consultants)


40 posted on 05/04/2011 6:12:02 PM PDT by PAR35
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