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Posted on 05/04/2011 10:09:17 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen
RELIGION SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RIDICULE, HATRED AND CONTEMPT
Atheism, or antitheism, which was once considered taboo in America, has gone somewhat mainstream in todays society. Books like Christopher Hitchenss God Is Not Great, Richard Dawkinss The God Delusion, and Sam Harriss The End of Faith were New York Times bestsellers. Faith-bashing films like Bill Mahers documentary Religulous and Ricky Gervaiss The Invention of Lying have done reasonably well at the box office. The left never seems to miss an opportunity to point out the latest goofy statements or antics by groups purporting to speak or act in the name of Christianity, while being quick to (often angrily) point out that Islamic Extremists dont represent Islam as a whole.
As is the case with the authors brother-in-law, many of those who lack the courage to attack Christianity outright often look for examples of Christian silliness to hide behind. None of this surprises me, mind you.
My faith teaches me not to judge others; God will handle that. (Dont misconstrue this to mean that I dont criticize and pass judgement on the political beliefs of others, which I do with gusto.) However, there are two aspects of atheism that have always puzzled me: the need to ridicule, deride, or even fear Christians and their faith, and the anger and hatred that many atheists display; the Bill Mahers of the world.
Well-known atheist Christopher Hitchens, for example, says that religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred, and contempt. Hitchens is quick to point out of course that Christians themselves should not be treated this way; its Christianity, which is somewhat akin to supporting the troops but not war. (Although most anti-war folks I know dont ridicule, deride or show disgust for the troops.)
It is entirely appropriate to ridicule absurd ideas rather than to treat them as serious and give them respect. Only serious ideas based on reason and evidence are worthy of intellectual respect. The ideas that we critique and ridicule have historically led to or facilitated war, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. They have enslaved millions, impeded medical and scientific research and are now draining vast sums of taxpayer dollars to propagate more of these ridiculous ideas. These ideas have resulted in untold amounts of violence, death, torture, and suffering as well as the profound intimidation and physical molestation of our young. Ridicule and even sneering condescension are about the mildest critical reactions that we can have for the enormity of the mind-boggling injustices perpetrated in their name. I can readily empathize with those of us who consider the behaviors prompted by these dogma to be illegal and criminal.
Greg Epstein, Humanist chaplain at Harvard University and author of Good Without God: What a Million Nonreligious People Do Believe, has a different view of the role atheism and its believers should play in society. He has described the New Atheists, (Hitchens, Dawkins & Co.) as atheist fundamentalists, imparting a bit of mindlessness and hypocrisy to those who approach Christianity with ridicule and derision. Epstein believes that atheists have allowed themselves to become defined by what they dont believe. Humanists, as he refers to atheists, would be better served by respectful coexistence with believers. Mutual acceptance of the beliefs and conviction of others or the lack thereof allows for common ground on issues of shared concern according to Epstein.
Epstein has hedged a bit lately in an apparent concession to the New Atheists: What Im more concerned about, he says, are religious people whod be fine with Humanism, and are interested in working as equals with me. Were not here to erase you were here to embrace you.
************************************************************ Call me crazy, but when I attempt to conger up a list of influential atheists who embrace Christianity, I draw a blank. The Bill Mahers and Christopher Hitchenses of the world are much more vocal.
Probably for the same reasons Christians ridicule and put down atheists.
Because they are trying to convince themselves that they are right and how best to do that than attack.
Heck, we have people on FR who call themselves Christians go to great lengths to ridicule other Christians.
Your average Atheist does not ridicule Christianity or any other religion because he really doesn't care.
The Attention Whores who happens to be Atheist criticizes Christianity because they want to sell books to those people that are fascinated by Attention Whores and Christianity is a safe target.
The Attention Whores who happens to be Atheist never criticizes Islam because they are afraid to die.
Why do atheist ridicule Christians?
I believe that, subconsciously, they fear they may be wrong, and would like confirmation in the here and now that they are right.
Ridicule can make some hide or change their beliefs.
I saw “the invention of lying” and while I’d have to watch it a least one more time to really form a serious opinion about it on first impression it did not strike me as anti-religious.
It has a ridiculous, if very clever concept - that there is a world in which nobody ever lies, and basically just blurts out the truth, no matter how hurtful. And it is true that the expression of religious belief (in life after death and the big man in the sky, iirc) is presented as ANOTHER lie told by our lying (but brilliant) protagonist. However, as with most of the lies told in this sort of bizarro world story, this makes people happy, it gives them comfort.
Now, right now I’m realizing I can’t really opine on this movie any futher without another viewing (although there is a sweet joke right at the end, so if you ever watch it don’t give up on it before the very end). But I didn’t see it as mean spirited about relgion at all, no more than it was mean spririted about people in general.
But, like I say, maybe I missed it and others might well see it differently.
OK, now I’m going to blah blah on for a moment...
I also never saw that song “what if God were one of us” as anti-relgious or anti-God either. In fact I saw it as rather religious, because didn’t Jesus become “one of us”?
And I always liked the line that poor, tired God was all alone, with “no one calling on the phone/except the Pope, maybe, from Rome”.
You see, to me this song was not only not anti-Religious, but it was actually pro-Catholic.
But I’ve seen it condemned, so maybe I missed the point, or perhaps these are just differences of opinion.
I know nothing about the group (or person) that did that song, so if I learned more about them (or him or her) perhaps that would change my view.
Anyway TCC, hope I didn’t take your thread too OT.
Oh ye of no faith.
One of the better arguments I heard from a friend was to a Mormon.
He was asked why he didn’t believe in “A” god, at least.
To which my friend replied “Well, if I believed there was a god I would then have to choose from the many gods. Which one would I choose?”
Funny and sad at the same time. You had to be there. My Mormon friend couldn’t answer the question and my atheist friend had just check mated him once again.
I almost spoke up but then we would be talking different doctrine and the conversation would get confusing.
I don’t believe in atheists.
That song never sat very well with me. I always thought of Jesus, who is God, as actually being one of us. He was tired, beaten beyond recognition for no crime He had committed, but as payment for every single sin we have committed in the past, present and into infinity. Then just as He had endured all the punishment, His Father turned His back on Him.
That song paints a picture of a god I have never seen. It is a picture of a fluffy cloud sort of god that has no clue as to what it is like to be human. The God I know was one of us. He knows exactly what it is like to be human and He paid for every human frailty we have with His life.
So yes, I find that song disturbing because it shows an ignorance of God. That there are so many people who identify with the song makes me aware that there are many people who have no idea about who the Living God is.
Because atheists serve at the pleasure of Satan, whether they know it, disbelieve it or deny it.
“Atheists never criticize Islam because they are afraid to die.” I don’t know if you would consider Ayaan Hirsi Ali an “Attention Whore”, but in her book Infidel she is most critical of Islam as an exMuslim who has lived in Somalia and Saudi Arabia. She and her colleague Theo Van Gogh produced a movie about Islam called Submission. He was assassinated, and she had to leave her post in the Dutch Parliament and flee to the US. The last I heard, she was working for and protected by a conservative think tank, I believe The Heritage Foundation.
Because they aren’t really atheist. They believe in and despise God and those that follow Him.
I was wrong, she is with the American Enterprise Inst. Here is a link about her being hated by the left.
Because they are evil.
And they want Islam to prevail.
you couldn't be more wrong. There are different groups of Atheist but by far the largest group is pro-statist such as Communism and Fascists.
The Statist atheist are the scariest of all group out there including the theocracy of Islam.
Hitchens and Maher are certainly ones to display contempt for all things religious.
Hitchens has said some really vile things about Mother Teresa.
Closer to home, our own S.E. Cupp is a professed atheist, though one of the more benign ones.
Atheism is so widespread now, if you don’t believe in the Big Bang (yes, I said “believe in”), you are ridiculed in the scientific community.
The public schools won’t allow consideration of alternate theories (creationism) either.
Of course atheism is required for the supremacy of the state, that is, the implementation of Marxism.
Well, the fact is that the atheist does have a god, which is to say he must believe in something that is supremely good. Everyday we have to choose between gods. To believe in one god is to believe that behind the many there is in fact one, who subsumes all others. Whcih is more or less how Plato looked at the matter.
I think aetheists who do this are acting out underlying emotional issues via the atheist label of religion. you can extrapolate this very general thought to politics and religion in general.
I say this because I have been functionally atheist for many many years, but
1) I don’t opine on private religious matters of anyone. When one riots, threatens death, kills, maims, etc. over events in foreign countries regarding ones’ religion, I consider this silence removed. Otherwise it is none of my business and I don’t care. I am always polite when someone wishes to benignly pursue this (usually protestant christians, but who cares, they are polite).
2) the activist aetheists only go after christianity because a) most of them came from christian backgrounds and are reacting to childhood issues and b) the world religion actually overtly going about killing repressing and otherwise inconveniencing people isn’t one as pacific a target. It fights back.
At this point the west is nearly secular, christianity is almost invisible in politics, and the major rising theological threat to any rational brain is islam. I know where I stand in this fight, and that is most clearly with the interests of the christian deep south.
I have no use fir zelots of either stripe.
How does a random universe wind up creating a brain?
how did intelligence first evolve, and where? These are interesting questions. The galaxy and universe are large. I don’t think the answers need to be earth-centric.
How does a random universe wind up creating a brain?
Because they haven't the GUTS to ridicule Islam.
All things were finalized on the cross.
The love of God is slow to wrath........but wrath it must, for darkness will be put away forever.
They don't merely emote against believers, they howl against the very God whose judgment is final.
Yeah, we've got a few of them who hand out broadsides of insult by the boatload, going from thread to thread like they were privateers executing marques of reprisal.
Then there are the self motivated ones, sailing under the flag and power of their own religious pride --- having no formal note or marque issued by those whom they look upon as their own governing authority ----
Them be pirates.
I’m sure if you ask Satan he can claim to be a christian, which isn’t the same as verbally declaring “Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior”.
There is the walk....and then there are those who need a descriptive title.
God makes no apologies for them......for he knows them not.
ridiculing Christians is not the same as ridiculing Christianity or ridiculing Christ.
if they were truly atheists, they wouldn’t care... they’d think you were being odd, but otherwise would not effect them in the least.
those that ridicule and attack obviously do care, and care very much. Christianity seems to go against everything they believe.
then what they believe must be counter to Christianity in some way.
could it be... satan(ism) ?
atheists typically view the Christian god in the same manner as Zeus, Thor, Ra, Krishna, Set..they all come from the same pot. There is no turmoil or fear of being wrong. Of course, there are atheists that become religious and the religious that become atheist. Those types may qualify under your statement, but generally speaking, no.
You're on to something. Atheists spare no effort trying to convince others that God is evil: like in this thread for example. They also feel that they are great enough to sit in judgement over God. Imagine that. Their self-image and their self-righteousness are so cosmically inflated that they think they are better than God, morally. You can see this attitude in the linked thread too. Both of these behaviours and attitudes are characteristics usually ascribed to Satanists.
I hope your not confusing Agnosticism with Atheism.
Atheist, that I've met do care, Agnostics don't.
Agnostics see the proving or disproving of any deity as a waste of time.
You don't see Agnostics yodeling about God in any form.
Atheists, have a long history of publications in speaking out against God, or the idea thereof.
To say they don't care is ludicrous. What is printed tells another story.
Agnostics are simply focused on knowledge, to there own exclusion from the truth.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Condemned of themselves.
Atheists? Many will repent.
The human mind can very easily make up idols and call them “God”. Sometimes a great thing to clear the cobwebbs while praying is to address God as “THE GOD WHO KNOWS THAT HE IS INDEED GOD” or “God is that God is” or “YOU are that YOU ARE”(the adressing form of I AM THAT I AM, the name of God revealed to Moses).
On the one hand by using that form it can have an effect of making one realize just how little we know God unless he reveals himself to our hearts....(which is good because we can cry out “Oh God how much we really want to know you as your truly are!”). On the otherhand the competing voices, thoughts,injected demonic suggestions, impressions, idealized thought icons tend to vanish when praying to God(in the name of his son Jesus Christ) in the ways I have suggested.
For this process has a silencing effect on ones soul causing it to “be still” so that one can know the God that is God...or the “is’y God”!
>>> Why Do Atheists Ridicule Christianity?
In part because one corner of Christianity makes it SO easy. See any FR “6000 year old Earth” thread. Not just ignorance on display which we can all fall victim to, but belligerent pride in their ignorance.
Beyond that, hypocrisy naturally draws scorn and contempt. Self-righteousness wins few friends, much less converts. Many of the worst people I’ve encountered, online and off, tended to go out of their way to remind you what “good Christians” they are.
Self-righteous is one who assumes righteousness is of his own making, void of God.
Religious being hypocritical? Often.
But, those that fear the Lord and follow his way seek his righteousness. Righteousness is of Christ only, and is awarded to those that follow him.
It's envy. Envy does not want what someone else has, but wants to spoil, ridicule, ban, tax away, and work to take away a perceived advantage someone else has. When the emotion of envy turns into action it becomes hate. The statement "RELIGION SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RIDICULE, HATRED AND CONTEMPT" is an excellent example of an envious statement, full of spoil and hate.
Christians do have many perceived advantages, an optimism, a purpose, a confidence, more success at life, better women, better marriages, better children, bigger houses, bigger families. This causes leftist atheists to boil over with envy and set out to spoil it. Conservative atheists are not predisposed to so much envy so are not hostile to Christianity.
The antidote to envy is shame. When envy is called out, the envier will always deny it publicly, put the pain of the shame will counter the pain of their envy and they will slink away. Envy is the root cause of theft, murder, war, and voting Democrat, so should not be considered a petty emotion. Envy should be called out at every opportunity and not let to boil. This is a lot of work because Democrat politicians inflame feelings of envy daily for political gain. Christians are one of many envious targets of leftists, stone age Muslims not so much.
Alternative form, issues from one's youth, or other life trauma, and blaming God for it, therefore "God does not exist."
Yes, they are fighting against themselves as human beings. Belief in God or some form of spiritual transcendence is built into people (maybe through evolution???). Humans with conscious minds are spiritual; they don’t really believe in a pointless, purely-mechanical universe.
Even Mao Ze Dong spoke of God, and even atheists, though they wouldn’t admit it to themselves, believe in their hearts that at least they, as individuals, are transcendent.
As things get tough for humanity or for individuals, they turn to something beyond tangible reality and beyond the ever-changing formulations of science. The atheists know, despite book sales, that they’re playing a losing hand, so they turn to the refuge of all weak debaters, ridicule.
Richard Dawkins' argument with a Muslim is online. He puts him on the mat by forcing him to answer what he tells his daughter the punishment punishment for apostasy in Islam is. There is Pat Condell who used to attack Christianity but when he started attacking Islam, the liberals started hating him. Christopher Hitchens minces no words when attacking Islam.
Liberals are different - they love Islam.
Probably for the same reason Christians ridicule & put down other Christians who have differing views. It usually has to do w/ ego & arrogance.
Atheists especially love Christians who believe all religions different means to the same end. Especially as it relates to Islam: www.acommonword.com
Why are they afraid to die?
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