Skip to comments.Survivalists: Are you part of the new subculture?
Posted on 05/06/2011 8:20:22 PM PDT by Kartographer
At Red Dawn: Hunting, Survival, Recreation, they specialize in homesteading, emergency preparedness and first-aid.
Owner Gaylon Cornsilk first dreamed up this concept about a year ago.
The doors have been open just six months and business has exploded.
Cornsilk says, "This was kinda born out of a passion to see people prepared for any kind of emergency, natural or man-made. We are growing exponentially everyday. Obviously there's an air of people starting to notice and want to prepare for what's going on around them."
Donna Harper manages the store's long-term storage food section.
Some of the pre-packaged emergency food rations last five to 25 years; the rations sell out so quickly they cannot keep enough on premises.
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Can’t they just use their Y2K leftovers?
The Y2K leftovers were eaten after the dot com bubble crash.
Do they have any decent shooting ranges? I just want the shooting range part. I don’t care much for eating roots instructions.
Men of all sorts of races and creeds have been surviving for thousands of years, so I would say no.
A man who can can is a man who can.
I’ve been a Prepper for a looooong time. Came with being very poor for a number of years and sometimes not having enough to eat. But I also never forget, Jesus feed 5000 MEN, that wasn’t including the woman and children. With a few loaves of bread and a few fish.
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Somehow, I don’t think I could bring myself to believe that society is about to collapse unless I was able to walk down every shopping aisle and see it. When we get half an inch of snow, the stores may be short of bread and kerosene for a couple of days, but you don’t have half-mile lines and black markets in bread and kerosene. That takes time. That takes a kind of sustained, deepening panic that hysterical 2nd-page headlines can’t generate. I’ve been cought off guard by two major hurricanes and a couple of tornadoes, but I was able to hold out each time, although charity for victims of natural disasters is a good idea. A creeping politcal malaise peters out after a while, too. Elected officials terms end, and people vent their frustration. Don’t load up on too many MRE’s, because five years of trying to live off spoiled MRE’s may not be a life worth living, if things ever got that bad in the first place.
For anyone interested in long term storage of food, if kept cool and dry, 30 year shelf life for whole grain hard wheat is easily obtained. Once cracked or milled, it has to be used fairly soon or the released oils will oxidize and turn it rancid.
We don't use it for breads etc. just hot cracked wheat cereal. Easy to prepare the overnight way and love the nutty flavor. We have used both hard red and white wheat, slightly different flavors, but both are great.
We have had our old style SS Vita-Mix for about 20 years, and it is still as good as the day we bought it. But any good similar unit should suffice.
How to make hot cracked wheat cereal-Click here
I'd hate to be enslaved in urban America (where everything costs) with inflation coming. People get to thinking enslavement to the system where you can't control how much it takes to survive; is just how it really is everywhere; not true.
We have 2 kids in school, no loans, or aid. We could never do it if we lived in an urban area driving 2-3 new vehicles, spending all those bucks just to survive in that system to make the bucks it takes to stay alive. No joke folks, everybody needs to take a look at the game they are chasing.
If you aren’t going to finish those MREs, can I have em? Life might get rough for a while, but I fully intend to fight through it to better days.
Another thing to think about: how are you going to get at your fresh water and MRE’s if they’re under water, reduced to ash and steam, or buried under rubble? Granted, if you live in cave this may not be an issue provided that the roof doesn’t collapse and it doesn’t flood. There may be some old missile silos that are more affordable properties, but is someone that well prepared going to have a family that can put up with being in his company 24/7 for an extended period of time?
You don’t want my MRE’s. I like curry flavored ones. Just the same, go for variety if you’re buying in bulk.
I live in a place surrounded by 3 [or more] sites destined to be instantly vitrified.
Not much point in “stocking up” if you won’t even live long to see the pretty flashes.
Me, I’m more attracted to the nomadic lifestyle where you live off horse jerky, rape and pillage, and live in yurts. None of this “man in the cave” bullcrap for me.
Laugh all ya want, but I got to thinking about my grandkids not having ammo to kill a bunch of caribou when they came through. Those 6000 215's make me feel quite good now, ha.
Well, not unless I can get netflix in my cave.
It is somewhat baffling that most people in this country are willing to think that being prepared for disasters is kooky.
Some of this mindset comes from this almost religious faith that “the government” will always take care of us. It wouldn’t just let us starve or be without shelter, or fail to protect us from thieves and looters....and worse.
I hope the authorities will help in the event of disaster. But I’m not a loon for having a plan B. I damn sure don’t have this “faith” that the government is or will always be fair, generous and benevolent. That it will never turn on me. That would require an ignorance of history and a naivete that I am simply not capable of.
Not that many years ago I lived in Lakeland, FL. The eyes of 3 hurricanes passed over Lakeland in about 6 weeks! No power for one of those weeks. I remember what happened in Dade County after Andrew.
This is what our society has come to. Responsible preparedness is viewed with scorn by the elite, our betters. How presumptuous of us. We are ridiculed by by incompetent bureaucrats and politicians. Laughed at by media morons and Hollywood halfwits that couldn’t cook their own meals or change their baby’s diaper.
A person that plans on weathering disaster and protecting his family is a “survivalist”? Just how would we then define the head of a family that would starve in 5 days without the 24 hour grocery store down the street? Who has no means of protecting the lives of his family or the family’s property? A “suicidalist”?
Just who is the ignorant bumpkin here?
You can’t be prepared for every eventuality. And the bomb might fall on your house first.
But reasonable, common sense preparations could very well mean that you would survive the initial tumult of a disaster. Odds are much better for you if you get through 3-6 weeks, maybe 6 months.
I’ve got a SIL that is living week to week on the generosity of family because she thought it was stupid to save for the future when she might die tomorrow. Well, she didn’t die, but she is living in Hell now. And it’s going to get a lot worse when mommy dies and can’t send her money every month anymore.
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True, but I don’t think that saving your money and maintaining at least a minimum level of income is merely a survival strategy. It’s a good way to live well.
I grew up very poor. Frequently we had almost no food, and the neighbor would take pity on the youngest of us and give us a meal here and there. I weighed 79 lbs. when I was nearly 13 years old.
I will always feel the need to have “extra”. I know what it is to go for three or four days without a morsel to put in your mouth, and no way to get food. There were many times when we ate nothing but vegetables grown in the back yard for six days a week, then we each got one piece of fried chicken on Sunday.
I know that not one of you out there would want your own child to go through this.
And if you could ever even imagine a situation where you were unable to get any food for days, and have it happen frequently and repeatedly, you could never insult those that fear this happening to themselves or their families.
It is no different than being financially responsible. It is no different than picking out a good safe neighborhood to raise your family in. Or making sure your car was in good safe condition.
I know that most on these preparedness threads know that to plan ahead for their loved ones is smart no matter the times, but for those that ridicule us -
No soup for you!!!
I don’t have any special perspective on this, but if the safety net is too generous, it arguably encourages people to not think about the future. I take it for granted that social security, medicare, and medicaid goodies won’t be there for me when I’m likely to want or need them. And you need to seriously consider a major career change and a permanent dock in your wages before you become a 99er.
That makes a bit more sense to me than the usual “MRE” and upcoming disaster rhetoric.
Agreed. I was using that as an illustration of the all or nothing sort of thinking that usually comes into these discussions.
A family can dramatically improve their odds without going to off the charts extremes.
Am I preparing for 10 years of chaos? Nope, I'm not going to think that far ahead. But $1000 will buy a surprisingly large quantity of canned goods that will not spoil for 5-10 years. Throw in a couple of good firearms and several thousand rounds of ammo (again not a great expense, and certainly not perishable). Another $500 for basic, non perishable necessities like TP, toothbrushes, personal hygiene needs. Buy ahead on important prescription medications and first aid materials. Keep $1000 of cash on hand. All of a sudden for maybe $4K you have now put your family into the top 5% in terms of survivability for the critical 3 months. We all know how quickly most middle class families squander $4000. It's a simple $4k insurance policy. Spend the money and forget it.
I think my post #32 is pretty much in agreement with you on that.
I just want reasonable preparedness that won’t break my budget and become an obsession that permeates my life.
I think it is actually worse than that.
There seems to be another liberal exercise underway in redefining actions and activities - much as liberals have been successful in redefining people as Homophobes, Birthers, etc.
Not so long ago our society considered independence, self reliance, saving money and planning ahead to be admirable character traits. They have now been replaced by reliance on government, spending beyond your means and living day to day.
Now, recently I have started to hear people who are prudent, plan ahead and stock up to prepare for possible emergencies referred to as hoarders.
Imagine what that thought process will lead to when/if a disaster hits an area, the shelves go bare and some people start thinking they don't have food because the "hoarders" have it all.
Don’t assume that just because people live in a city or suburbs that they are chasing some sort of game. Nor is everyone ‘enslaved’ who doesn’t happen to be living in some outpost or another.
Can you can that statement into something more palatable and yet still be a canned statement that hasn’t lost the freshness though it be canned from a can do man of the can clan?
Yep. Those of us that prepare have. And that's why there are boxes of ammunition next to the canned goods. They can call me a "hoarder", but they surely won't call me an unarmed hoarder. Significant difference.
A real depression will be much different now because the societal norms and mores, those that deterred widespread lawlessness in the 30s, no longer exist. There won't be any noble hobos running around this time.
“”Keep $1000 of cash on hand.””
OMG! I remember after Katerina some rich TV anchor kind of guy sneered that EVERYONE should be able to stash at LEAST $5000. bucks away - no prob - in case of a natural disaster. WTF?? Depending on where you live, what time of year, ect-all the money in the world won’t help your a$s out.
You and I know that the AVERAGE ordinary American family would have a hard time setting aside even $1000. for unexpected times. If they can’t they need to prepare gradually. To buy an extra $20.00 in canned goods every couple of weeks-rotate stock-it can be done.
One word people ** COUPONS **. My husband got the lesson ( :) ) and now he delights in the $20. to $80. per week he can save buying the products and brands we already us. People behind us in line are very supportive and surprised at what we save.
Husband was a handloader from wayyyy back..It was a hobby for him, but now it’s something more -it’s a necessary skill.
He learned to hunt (as opposed to target shooting) a couple years ago, and I learned to cook over a open fire. We both feel a deep sense of satisfaction out of earning these skills.
Not a darn thing wrong with stocking some MRE’s to have in case you can’t have anything else. I live in the northeast, and baby, there are times.................one good ice storm and it can get desperate fast.
That seems like a good deal.
I’ll see if Costco has something like that.
If they do I’ll buy 5.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Being a prepper is a responsible way to live. People act like it’s the looniest thing in the world. I personally find putting 100% faith in our modern lifestyle as being nuts.
Just because one is prepared for many things doesn’t mean you have to forsake modern society. In addition to being prepared for disasters I also live a modern lifestyle. But unlike those who scoff at prepping, when things go bad, not only can I still eat and stay warm and dry but many of today’s modern amenities stay available to me.
Probably the biggest reasons people don’t like it is because it requires a lot of hard work and knowledge of many different things. For me living in the mountains means being prepared. So many people move into the high country and think they’ll live the same way they did in the city. Doesn’t work like that.
So many things that were once just part of our normal physique are now laughed at. There are so many examples but I’ll give just one very important one: water. I’ve got a good friend who lives in Phoenix. He’s a smart man. I asked him once where his water comes from. He gave the answer that most people do; his faucet. I asked what happens if no water comes from that faucet. His answer, “the city would fix it.” And if the city can’t fix it? Well he said, “I’d go to the store and buy it.” You see where this is headed.
Prepping is simply a mindset and a good one. Remember the Boy Scouts Motto?
Wonderful clarity on your part, but I don’t think we’re supposed to think such thoughts. Too much of that and people might just start turning off their televisions.
Here is a site with some of the most common sense info I have seen on planning for possible natural disasters or sociital upheaval.
How to Survive Hard Times
by Robert Wayne Atkins, P.E.
As an example, the author recommends starting small by accumulating canned goods you probably already use until you have a 30 day supply on hand.
Here are some, but not all, of the subjects covered:
How to Find Water and How to Make Water Safe to Drink
How to Build a Very Effective Water Filter System for Approxmiately $75
A Simple But Effective Survival Plan
Realistic Self-Sufficiency: The Do’s and the Don’ts
Part One: How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget
Part Two: How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget
Use Common Sense to Compare Your Current Location to Another Location
How to Select the Optimal Retreat Location
A 30-Day Emergency Food Supply for One Adult
One-Year Emergency Food Supply for One Adult\
Pure Salt, Iodized Salt, and Sea Salt
Hand-Cranked Stainless Steel Meat Grinder
How to Preserve Food Using Three Simple Old Fashioned Methods
How to Improve the Quality of an 1800s Lifestyle
Firewood, Fireplaces, and Cast Iron Stoves
Shelf Life of Canned Food and Dry Food
Shelf Life of Medicine
Recommended Books for Home Schooling
Books: Emergency First Aid Books and Supplies.
Books: Recommended List of Books to Purchase Before the Hard Times Begin
The Basic Rules of Survival During Hard Times
The Basic Minimum Necessities for Survival During Hard Times
A Comparison of Five Leading Brands of Toilet Tissue
Flashlights Rechargeable Batteries and a Solar Battery Charger
Solar Power Generator
During a Disaster Event Should You Stay at Home or Leave?
How to Effectively Evacuate a Big City Without a Car
An Emergency Evacuation List
Pets and Livestock
The Advantages and Disadvantages of Recreational Vehicles and Campers
Charity During Hard Times
The Most Frequently Overlooked Items for Long-Term Hard Times Survival
Food Inflation Price Index Based on the One-Year Emergency Food Supply
How to Convert Human Waste into a Safe Garden Compost Fertilizer
Job Opportunities During Hard Times
Recipes for Hard Times, including Acorns, Hickory Nuts, Pemmican, Squirrel, and Wild Game.
Home Gardening Tips (Index of Articles)
Wilderness Survival Tips (Index of Articles)
Free Preparedness Manual - LDS Free Online 222 Page Book on How to Prepare for Hard Times.
Check this guy out! He even admits that he has been caught off guard by two major hurricanes and a couple of tornadoes and he still sees no need for prepping! As Bugs Bunny would say: “What a maroon!”
Everything is tied up in urban areas, you can't stop it either.
People in urban areas can't cut their costs like people can in rural areas. Whether going to wally world twice a week or big macs or pizza, the money goes. I'm 500 miles from nearest sams. Living costs are way higher in urban areas and you can't get around that reality. I have friends working 2 jobs, wives work and they spend just so much to stay in the game. Their heads spin at how hard it is getting to just survive. I don't feel it nearly as bad, because I am able to cut costs where they can't. They have to pay expenses that are part of urban life. Taxes, high utilities, high rent or mortgages, but the big one is all that is spent just living the urban lifestyle. Wife and I have our teaching degrees, my monthly costs are $200/ month phone & elec and $200/month dir tv and thats about it. We have way more disposable income than we have ever had in any urban area and we just luv going back in time to the 1940's lifestyle.
No offense, but when the inflation hits, cost of living will affect urbanites much more than how it will affect people living in rural areas; and no way around it. That's what I'm getting at.
Here's one for ya: When I did live urban, I could buy milk cows from local farmer for around 400 bucks. I'd debone and can meat. Would get close to 175 quarts out of a milk cow and it was quite good. Pressure cook meat. I'm so far out now, no farmers. We can salmon, but usually just freeze caribou and moose. I'd check with local small family farmers that are milking 50-60 cows, they always have 5-6 year old cows for sale.
My parents would be befuddled by the word prepper and the idea of not planning ahead and stocking up. That is the way almost everyone lived not so long ago.
We lived in a small town, not on a farm.
But summers and fall were still spent collecting food and putting it up for the winter. It was hard work to pick and prepare the vegetables and fruits but even the small children were brought out to the fields and orchards to help out.
I still think warm thoughts about those shelves under the basement stairs overflowing with tasty home canned vegetables, sauces, fruits and sometimes meats. We knew it meant good meals through the long winter.
Don’t forget Post #2
As for food, water and power, if you only have a half-empty ketchup bottle in your fridge at any given time, live in place where you are surrounded by people you don’t trust or respect, and are incapable of walking, then yes, you are a fool. Either that, or you’re living in Somalia and you have my pity.
By living prepared, you are way better off the whole way around we figure. Couldn't imagine it any other way.
“Dont forget Post #2”
I already downloaded it some time ago.
A a lot of it is printed out and incorporated into our own hard times/prepper/bailout manual.