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John Demjanjuk convicted over Nazi camp deaths; court orders his release pending appeal
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 5/12/11

Posted on 05/12/2011 11:06:27 AM PDT by EBH

Demjanjuk today was sentenced to five years in prison. He was found guilty of 28,060 counts of being an accessory to murder during the time he was ruled to have been a guard at the Sobibor camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

There is no evidence Demjanjuk committed a specific crime. Instead he is charged with 28,060 counts of accessory to murder for the number of people who died in the time span he was allegedly a Sobibor camp guard on the theory that if he was there, he was a participant — the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.

"If the prosecution is successful, and if there is a verdict for accessory to murder because one was a guard in a camp where many people were killed, it could be a beginning of new last wave of many [such] proceedings," said Cornelius Nestler,

The U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Special Investigations also has said the card is genuine, but documents unearthed by the AP and brought to light in a story last month indicate that the FBI had doubts similar to those aired by Demjanjuk's defense about the evidence — though the material was never turned over to them.

Busch has previously said that with the time spent in custody in Israel, Germany and the U.S. adding up to more than 10 years — more than two-thirds of the maximum sentence — he should be immediately set free, especially in view of his age.

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: demjanjuk; nazi
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To: annieokie
he hates his own Jewishness.

Just like Reinhard Heydrich.

21 posted on 05/12/2011 1:52:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: EBH; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; ...

Ohio Pings!

To be added to the Ohio Ping List, please freepmail (works best).
LasVegasDave.

22 posted on 05/12/2011 2:04:31 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (Getting freepers to all agree, is like herding cats!)
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To: EBH

He’s still alive?


23 posted on 05/12/2011 2:37:05 PM PDT by RockinRight (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: TheRealDBear

“Looks like a witch hunt from where I’m sitting.”

Abdo-lutely! I’m in the Cleveland area, and have friends in Seven Hills, one who worked on the line next to JD. He says JD was a quiet old man who worked hard. We’ve had extensive coverage here about this case, and the previous Israeli case, so we’ve had a lot of his history covered. This guy was dealt a most awful, losing hand at birth. His family was so poor that he had to borrow his brother’s shoes to walk a long way to enlist in the Russian Army. He was turned away the first time because he didn’t even have a change of underwear or socks. He finally got in, and was captured by the Nazis, and put in a camp with other Ukrainians captives. He was basically given a choice; die, or work as a guard. He was never an SS guy, just trained by them. We don’t even know what he did in his guard duties. Maybe just trudged around the outside wire. This is a very weak case of guilt by association. I don’t know,,,,, very difficult life for sure. Born in abject poverty, and just tried to stay alive. Very difficult to judge!


24 posted on 05/12/2011 2:44:05 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ozzymandus
Okay, I just read a FR thread from February 2011. It opened my eyes to this subject.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2672960/posts.

Soros comes across as a soulless, and I mean completely without a soul, horror. I can't help but wonder how someone on the young side became so heartless and without any normal human feelings. He even seemed unfazed that close family members, and uncle and his family, were sent to Auschwitz. I always thought of him in relation to politics and the screwed up ideology of the left, but now it occurs to me that he might be a sociopath as well.

25 posted on 05/12/2011 2:59:47 PM PDT by Mila
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To: EBH; Fred Nerks; TigersEye

Of course Gloria Cayenne Farkhim said it best: “ Bring the old guy to Washington and make him a Gitmo Czar, hell , ideologically speaking he is at one with the White Hut
in what he thinks will work to bring about a Utopia.The only difference is the flavor.”/s

National Socialism. You gotta love it......( or else.)


26 posted on 05/12/2011 6:05:08 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Zeppelin

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, “When you say ‘guilt by association,’ I do not think it means what you think it means.” It’s NOT ‘guilt by association’ in any sense of that phrase, like JD was just a casual bud with some local jailhouse employees who just happened to work for a bunch of Germans...he was a GUARD, armed and ready to kill.

Working with Nazis, perhaps a Nazi himself. At Sobibor. Not a concentration camp. A death camp. One of six death camps. Specifically designed and operated to do one thing and one thing only...kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible. Designed to kill Jews, though others - gypsys, Slavs, homosexuals, etc. - were sometimes caught in the net and killed too. But only Jews were specifically and exclusively targeted, men women, children, for total annihilation, simply for being Jews. And JD was a cog in the murder machine.

So save your crocodile tears and guilt by association BS; no-one worked at Sobibor, or Auschwitz, Chelmno, Treblinka, Maidanek, or Belzec without knowing exactly what was going on, and making it possible to murder innocents by the trainload.


27 posted on 05/12/2011 7:20:34 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad
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To: EBH
This was always something of a bizarre case from a legal standpoint. If I remember the facts clearly, he was an American citizen who had his citizenship revoked . . . and was extradited to Israel to stand trial as "Ivan the Terrible" . . . but an Israeli court sent him somewhere else because it determined that he was not "Ivan the Terrible" but some other guard at a concentration camp . . . and now he's just been convicted in a German court on 28,000+ counts for crimes he allegedly committed (by implication, not indirectly) while he was a Ukrainian prisoner of the Nazis in Poland . . . and he was allegedly some kind of Nazi war criminal but only got five years for his role in 28,000+ murders.

That sure sounds like a nice, clean legal process to me. /sarcasm off/

28 posted on 05/13/2011 4:16:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Mila
Soros is a real-life Bond villain. It's inconceivable to me that anybody could look at this man and not realize he is pure evil.
29 posted on 05/13/2011 12:31:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
He's just another victim of selective outrage by the ignorant pitch fork mob. Meanwhile, German rocket scientist, Wernher Von Braun, who oversaw V-2 prison labor camps, got a heroes welcome to the USA, and a ticker tape parade.
30 posted on 03/17/2012 1:46:22 PM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

Miscarriage of Justice!


31 posted on 03/17/2012 2:51:26 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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