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(Indiana) Court: No right to resist unlawful police entry
AP/Chicago Tribune ^ | 5/13/11

Posted on 05/14/2011 3:32:09 AM PDT by markomalley

People have no right to resist if police officers illegally enter their home, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled in a decision that overturns centuries of common law.

The court issued its 3-2 ruling on Thursday, contending that allowing residents to resist officers who enter their homes without any right would increase the risk of violent confrontation. If police enter a home illegally, the courts are the proper place to protest it, Justice Steven David said.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

Justices Robert Rucker and Brent Dickson strongly dissented, saying the ruling runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution's Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure, The Times of Munster reported.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said.

Both dissenting justices suggested they would have supported the ruling if the court had limited its scope to stripping the right to resist officers who enter homes illegally in cases where they suspect domestic violence is being committed.

But Dickson said, "The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is unwarranted and unnecessarily broad."

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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To: markomalley

“If police enter a home illegally, the courts are the proper place to protest it, Justice Steven David said.”

Nope. Freedom that must be ajudicated in a courtroom is not freedom. Rather it is license to the state to do as they damn well please. If armed men entering a home illeagaly is not an escalation of “violence” then I don’t know what is. Iknow what I would do if I felt the state treating me like some kind of cockroach.


21 posted on 05/14/2011 4:38:11 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: markomalley
Is this the same court that reached the laughable conclusion after the fact, that Obama was eligible for office because he was a 14th Amendment citizen, but tried to cover themselves in dicta by saying that, in Wong Kim Ark, the USSC decision upon which they relied, Mr. Wong was not determined to be a natural born citizen?

Sounds like the Indiana Supreme Court has a few a priori considerations and is torturing the law to fit them, if so.

22 posted on 05/14/2011 4:38:57 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: TalBlack
Freedom that must be ajudicated in a courtroom is not freedom.

Nicely stated. The notion that our basic liberties must be dispensed by the courts runs afoul of one of the founding principles of our Republic, that as a free people we have unalienable rights, and those are endowed to us by our Creator and are not granted by an agency of the government. This has to go to the USSC and be overturned, otherwise we're all in a bad way.

23 posted on 05/14/2011 4:52:16 AM PDT by chimera
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To: markomalley

If the court feels that way then perhaps they could put their money where their mouth is and provide a cheap, easy way for the aggrieved citizen to get them to consider a case. As it is now the deck is stacked against the common guy who is the victim of either an honest mistake or outright excessive force. Between the jurisdiction, and the union that represents the law enforcement entity, it’s all but impossible to seek, let alone actually get, redress for harm.

I have a cousin who spent the day in jail because he snapped a picture, from his front porch, of a crime scene and declined to surrender the exposed film without a court order. No local attorney would touch the case for fear of reprisal from the police, and the nearest attorney would consider taking the case wanted money, lots of it, up front.

A law that is to expensive for the average person to use in his or her defense is the same as no law at all for that person.


24 posted on 05/14/2011 4:52:33 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah than win with a RINO!)
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To: markomalley

4th Amendment? What 4th Amendment?


25 posted on 05/14/2011 4:57:07 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RWB Patriot

The police state coming to a neighborhood near you, and they said alex jones was crazy


26 posted on 05/14/2011 5:00:17 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: markomalley

I do not grant the government that right, period.


27 posted on 05/14/2011 5:02:31 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: markomalley
contending that allowing residents to resist officers

I am of two minds depending on what "resist" means. If it means deadly force then I might be inclined to agree that the use of deadly force would not be a proper response. If it means locking the door and refusing entry and using non deadly means then I would think that is reasonable.

If however, the person has reason to believe the officers might do them or their property physical harm then the resident should have the right to protect themselves.

28 posted on 05/14/2011 5:07:20 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Wpin

Movin on up................to .30 cal. If I’m goin to jail anyway, might as well make it for something worthwhile.

After they get a few of the rogue cops shot and buried, it will go to the SCOUTS and get thrown out. The Gestapo feels a need to martyr a few of its own first.


29 posted on 05/14/2011 5:07:53 AM PDT by Concho (-)
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To: Haiku Guy

You’ve been reminded repeatedly that Congress approved lethal action against bin Laden years ago.


30 posted on 05/14/2011 5:15:57 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: markomalley

“”We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence...”

Allowing resistance?


31 posted on 05/14/2011 5:20:40 AM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: markomalley

“(Indiana) Court: No right to resist unlawful police entry”

Another reminder of Nazi Germany!!


32 posted on 05/14/2011 5:25:39 AM PDT by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: markomalley

Nazi Germany!!


33 posted on 05/14/2011 5:27:20 AM PDT by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: markomalley

On Tuesday, the court said police serving a warrant may enter a home without knocking if officers decide circumstances justify it. Previously, police serving a warrant had to obtain a judge’s permission to enter without knocking.


34 posted on 05/14/2011 5:29:05 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Mostly dead ones.


35 posted on 05/14/2011 5:30:17 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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To: Flintlock
5.56mm greenies slice through a vest like it was made from toilet paper.
36 posted on 05/14/2011 5:31:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
No one from my family has ever had the blue frozen stuff from a plane fall on them in like 3,000 years. Does not mean it never happens. Stupid analogy.
37 posted on 05/14/2011 5:33:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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To: Wolfie
Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tag.
38 posted on 05/14/2011 5:34:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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To: markomalley
Absolutely unbelievable. What has our country become? Soviet Union? Cuba? North Korea?

When will this madness end?

39 posted on 05/14/2011 5:36:44 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: markomalley
and who pays for protesting homeowners litigation? A victim may well not have funds to seek relief in court.
40 posted on 05/14/2011 5:38:20 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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