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Death of a church ('Embarrased' by Jesus)
The National Post ^ | 05/15/2011 | Charles Lewis

Posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:47 AM PDT by mkleesma

The United Church of Canada, which was formed 86 years ago with the grand vision to bring Protestants together “in one glorious national church,” is undergoing one of the most precipitous slides in modern religious history.

In the midst of a breathtaking erosion in its membership, the church is undertaking what some call a great experiment to redefine itself through an intense engagement with the surrounding secular world; whether it be through advocating for the environment, fighting for the rights of homosexuals to marry or taking on the cause of the Palestinians, the church has attempted to blur the boundaries between religion and the broader society.

Supporters believe this strategy will eventually right the ship because they are following the word of God to engage in the world. To others, though, the United Church is engaged in a self-destructive act, aiming to be so many things to so many people that it will morph into just another social advocacy group disconnected from 2,000 years of Christian tradition. Critics say there is a severe lack of orthodoxy, lax demands on belief and even too much latitude for ministers who can question the existence of God and the divinity of Christ.

Connie denBok, a United Church minister in Toronto, is among those who despair that the church has become so much of the world, so focused on popular issues, that it is evolving away from the core of Christianity.

“In the 1960s and ’70s we became embarrassed about Jesus. And so we distanced ourselves from Jesus, and the point is without Jesus there’s no point in having a church. iTunes has better music and the NDP has better policies; everything else we do now somebody else does way better. The only thing we can do is this Jesus thing,” she said.

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Stop me if you've heard this one before - church turns away from Scriptures, and loses most of its members. Gee, why am I not surprised.
1 posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:58 AM PDT by mkleesma
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Religion without God is not successful?

What a surprise!


2 posted on 05/15/2011 8:15:22 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: mkleesma

This is a trend in many mainline churches in the USA as well. The Prysbyterian Church USA just this week voted to endorse gay and lesbians being ordained into ministry.
The slide to sin continues.


3 posted on 05/15/2011 8:15:40 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Flash: This just in. The United Church of Canada buckled to its dyslexic members demands to change the name of the organization to The Untied Cruchh of Nacada.


4 posted on 05/15/2011 8:23:19 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: mkleesma

The reason the church lives is because it doesn’t adapt itself to the world, but teaches the truth of God’s word.

It is precisely because of the sin of the world that God came to earth, and birthed the church. For the church to turn around and accept the very sin it is here to keep people away from is bizarre. A clear victory for the enemy of our souls.


5 posted on 05/15/2011 8:26:57 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Well thanks to the Catholic Church Christianity will carry on in the dark times ahead.


6 posted on 05/15/2011 8:26:57 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: mkleesma

ANY church that supports sexual deviancy in their teachings and beliefs is not really a “church.” The term church denotes Christianity. There are many more than this one. These are simply atheistic leftists pretending to be Christian religious in order to erode real Christianity and it is working for many of the weak denominations and their adherents. Many will perish as a result. No church is immune from these attacks. All denominations are experiencing these attacks. Only the strong faithed will survive.


7 posted on 05/15/2011 8:37:56 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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These loons don’t represent all the good non-Catholic Christians. The problem is that the loons take over these churches and get to keep the name. I wish there was a way that the conservative Christians would get to keep the name and the loons would have to call themselves something else.

And I agree with you about the Church.

Freegards


8 posted on 05/15/2011 8:46:37 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: mkleesma

Read Matthew chapter 7
Seems pretty clear to me. Especially verse 23.


9 posted on 05/15/2011 8:49:20 AM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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"It is precisely because of the sin of the world that God came to earth, and birthed the church. For the church to turn around and accept the very sin it is here to keep people away from is bizarre. A clear victory for the enemy of our souls.

In the "visible" (temporal) church are both tares and wheat growing together.

The true Church is invisible. The gates of hell cannot "gain victory" over it.

10 posted on 05/15/2011 8:57:23 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: mkleesma

“Our team is going to continue to play soccer, but we’re not really so interested in being confined by the requirement that we use a ball.”


11 posted on 05/15/2011 9:02:43 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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the point is without Jesus there’s no point in having a church

This needs to be repeated again and again. Too many 'churchgoers' today have lost sight of that simple yet crucial fact.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 9:06:49 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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13 posted on 05/15/2011 9:19:26 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Maybe they’ll change the name to “The United Unchurch of Canada and Ping Pong League.”


14 posted on 05/15/2011 9:38:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Like when the Catholics went hippie liberal.
Or, when the GOP moves away from the conservative base. Everytime the GOP goes to the center, they lose.


15 posted on 05/15/2011 9:42:38 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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Stop me if you've heard this one before - church turns away from Scriptures, and loses most of its members. Gee, why am I not surprised.

and to top it off, Canada is secularist and socialist hole, whose brave-new morality is written by the Leftist elites there. Any 'church' that cooperates or buys-into the present society in Canada is doomed and will be gone within a generation.

16 posted on 05/15/2011 9:51:26 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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I think one of the big problems with established churches is that in the process of trying to behave as good Christians they end up losing sight of the true meaning and purpose of Christianity, forsaking the spiritual ends for material ones. Money becomes an indispensible element of their works, and when the funds dry up they look wherever they can to replenish them. I would counsel them (if they would listen to me) that charity and benevolence, while signs of Christianity, are not the purpose of Christianity.
17 posted on 05/15/2011 10:29:38 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Funny that. Half of that statement is biblical. The other half is not.

Matthew 5:15

Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.


18 posted on 05/15/2011 10:41:12 AM PDT by BenKenobi
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Flash: This just in. The United Church of Canada buckled to its dyslexic members demands to change the name of the organization to The Untied Cruchh of Nacada.

Do they at least believe in doG?

19 posted on 05/15/2011 11:15:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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"Funny that. Half of that statement is biblical. The other half is not. Matthew 5:15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house."

Really? Since when are the "Wheat" able to give light to the "Tares" in the visible church?

"But he said, `No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 'Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" (Matt. 13:29-30; see also vv. 49-50).

20 posted on 05/15/2011 11:34:39 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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