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Gingrich Calls GOP Medicare Plan 'Right-Wing Social Engineering' (supports individual mandate)
The Wall Street Journal via Foxnews.com ^ | May 16, 2011

Posted on 05/16/2011 7:14:15 AM PDT by AAABEST

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To: TCH
From that picture of you sitting with Nancy, then I see you already have caught a dog.

That's a terribly offensive remark you should be totally ashamed of. You've insulted all dogs by calling Pelousy, a vastly inferior and truly vile creature, a dog. Your FR posting privileges should be suspended until you publish a profound apology to all dogs.

51 posted on 05/16/2011 8:33:09 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Grunthor
The question was about Medicare. We already know Obamakkkare intends to suck it in, spit it out, and create death panels to get rid of the problem.

Newt addressed a position he took 17 years go and not the Ryan proposal of today.

52 posted on 05/16/2011 8:35:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AAABEST

Newt: You need US.

We DON’T need you.

Yer done.


53 posted on 05/16/2011 8:45:13 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: AAABEST
Gingrich Calls GOP Medicare Plan 'Right-Wing Social Engineering'

Wow. Talk about dropping a turd in the punchbowl! That little baby is going to be floating there in full view till he announces his withdrawl from the race.

54 posted on 05/16/2011 8:53:48 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: AAABEST
Gingrich Calls GOP Medicare Plan 'Right-Wing Social Engineering'

Wow. Talk about dropping a turd in the punchbowl! That little baby is going to be floating there in full view till he announces his withdrawl from the race.

55 posted on 05/16/2011 8:54:00 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: paulycy

“Newt is brainwashed. Like me.”

56 posted on 05/16/2011 9:04:09 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: AAABEST
Here's a good article about the pseudo-conservative Newt:

Newt Won't Work for 2012

This is a pathetic quote from Newt in that article:

Gingrich's man-crush on Bill Clinton made him falter in legislative negotiations with the former president.

"I melt when I'm around him," Gingrich purred in January 1996. After I get out, I need two hours to detoxify. My people are nervous about me going in there because of the way I deal with this."

Hurl!

57 posted on 05/16/2011 9:28:55 AM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: AAABEST
What is "right-wing social engineering?"

You mean simply telling people they have right to make their own medical decisions without bureaucrats involved means that I'm controlling their brain?

Freedom is slavery now?

58 posted on 05/16/2011 9:56:42 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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To: AAABEST

God I can’t stand these politicians! Get lost Newt!


59 posted on 05/16/2011 9:57:50 AM PDT by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE US!)
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To: muawiyah

So in other words, Newt got P3WND by Gregory and completely accepted his premises.


60 posted on 05/16/2011 10:02:29 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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To: muawiyah

So in other words, Newt got P3WND by Gregory and completely accepted his premises.


61 posted on 05/16/2011 10:02:39 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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We wish it grew there

62 posted on 05/16/2011 10:11:16 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: gov_bean_ counter

gov_bean_ counter wrote:
“ and that is one of the real problems with newts. They get their ass handed to them and they just grow another”

I’m so never forgetting this quote! LOL! Hopefully, the American people will get smarter and make newts stay where they belong, under their rocks.


63 posted on 05/16/2011 10:40:06 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: AAABEST

Not a surprise. When he became speaker, he admitted to being a fan of FDR.


64 posted on 05/16/2011 11:41:22 AM PDT by BinaryBoy (Stuck with a local RINO? Regardless of who you vote for, donate $$$ to a different district.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Could be all of that, none of that, or something else.

He shouldn't have gone on with Gregory ~ no more than he'd let Obama ask him questions.

Some things are best not done, and I find no reason, as a general rule, why Republicans should participate in any event where a known Democrat activist is in charge.

At the same time we must address the issue why we have so many FREEPERS willing to sign on to the legitimacy of what they perceive to be Gregory's question

65 posted on 05/16/2011 11:50:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

1) OK, so what was Newt doing by going on this particular show? He can pick and choose his venue and interviews, yes? Why would anyone who KNOWS that Gregory is a left wing hack (and I’m certainly agreeing with you - he is), want to do his show unless it is ‘necessary?’ Net result: Newt is showing he’s not ready for prime time.

2) Newt, being a creature of DC, should have recognized the tactic(s) and responded the way DC creatures respond to these types of questions. He didn’t, he fell into the trap. Net result: New is showing he’s not ready for prime time.

Newt isn’t ready for prime time. And to not put too fine a point on it, he’s not remotely the guy the country needs now.


66 posted on 05/16/2011 12:51:19 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave
You could have readily determined Newt's problem by tuning in Hannity on Fox.

No sound byte sucked out of Dau'd Gregory's nether reaches is necessary.

67 posted on 05/16/2011 12:53:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Please. I haven’t the stomach to listen to Hannity alone, much less Hannity *AND* Gingrich at the same time.

Doctors tell me that excessively high blood pressure is bad for me, ya know?

There’s only so much stupidity I can withstand in a short period of time.


68 posted on 05/16/2011 1:29:14 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: TexasCajun

Newt was just now on Hannity’s radio show.

Said he has a website on healthcare solutions that for nine years has made plain that he supports decentralized healthcare not any kind of national personal mandate such as is in Obamacare. Seemed amazed/surprised that people didn’t know that about him as it has been on his website so long.
Said he is for some kind of system that in the end, either ahead of time or at the time of needing healthcare, makes people pay what they are able to pay for their healthcare (no free ride for those with $$$).

Further said his “social engineering” comment was only meant to say that Americans will not accept a top down, imposed change in their healthcare, and said a national conversation needs to happen that will craft a new system from the bottom up. Said Ryan’s plan taken as is would not be accepted because people don’t understand it and would feel forced into it, the same reasons they have rejected Obamacare.


69 posted on 05/16/2011 2:51:55 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: sickoflibs

See my post #69.


70 posted on 05/16/2011 2:53:34 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
I heard him.

Newt made it sound like if you go to the hospital and tell 'em you gots no money, they will not bill you.

The hospital will bill you or me or Uncle Sam.

That's not how it works.

Go to the hospital, get a bill.

Don't pay your bills, you reap the consequences.

71 posted on 05/16/2011 3:40:36 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: txrangerette
RE :”Said he has a website on healthcare solutions that for nine years has made plain that he supports decentralized healthcare not any kind of national personal mandate such as is in Obamacare. Seemed amazed/surprised that people didn’t know that about him as it has been on his website so long. Said he is for some kind of system that in the end, either ahead of time or at the time of needing healthcare, makes people pay what they are able to pay for their healthcare (no free ride for those with $$$).,/i>”

I heard the interview and he didnt call for an Obama-care mandate as all these posts claimed. The host was the one who said that,I see no point in nailing him for something he didnt say

However where he got caught was he originally said he'd vote for the Ryan plan, now he said it is radical. .

72 posted on 05/16/2011 6:38:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: libstripper

ROTFLMAO


73 posted on 05/16/2011 8:03:17 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: sickoflibs

Note, Gingrich said he’s been working on healthcare solutions for 9 YEARS! The guy just talks talks talks and wants you to buy his books!


74 posted on 05/16/2011 10:43:08 PM PDT by grdaal
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To: grdaal
RE :”Note, Gingrich said he’s been working on healthcare solutions for 9 YEARS! The guy just talks talks talks and wants you to buy his books!

He just found a popular way, by making believe he's a serious candidate which he is not. He definitely likes his own voice.

The Ryan plan has serious flaws(and has little or no chance of becoming law), but Newt didnt point them out. Newt initially said he'd vote for it, he now calls it radical. That right there would tell you what type of leader he would be.

75 posted on 05/17/2011 5:01:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

I realize he got caught between originally supporting Ryan, then calling it radical change.

I’ve heard him since then on various venues. He changed the word radical to “fundamental change” when pressed. I believe he either deliberately used the word radical to stir the pot for some hidden motive, or he misspoke. My reaction right after he was on MTP was to say, flat out, Newt you should not have used the words radical left change and radical right change in the same sentence.

He now explains that people could perceive it as a top down change which they don’t understand and which is forced on them, and in that sense only did he mean to equate it with Obamacare.

Mark Levin said, after interviewing Newt at Newt’s request, that Newt is addressing a nonexistent problem. Of course, that is Levin’s opinion.

Bill Bennett took Newt to the woodshed like I couldn’t believe. He told him in plain language to take back the word’s “right wing social engineering” which he equated with the left, and to announce that he had made a mistake and to apologize, or else he said, your campaign is finished before it starts.

Newt said he had a call into Paul Ryan and hoped to square the matter sometime today.

Rush seems to think Newt is playing some kind of game in which he knows he won’t win the nomination, but is trying to position himself on the McCain wing of the party for after the election.

If true, that would mean Newt lied to Rush personally, because Rush said he met with Newt awhile back and Newt told him he believed himself to be very likely the nominee by default, because Romney has too many problems, Mitch Daniel’s wouldn’t run because of his wife, etc etc on down the list of potential candidates.

Bennett took Newt at this words and said, either you are totally off base in your views, or you misspoke. If you misspoke, admit it now, back out of it, or you’re done.


76 posted on 05/17/2011 11:21:55 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
RE :”He now explains that people could perceive it as a top down change which they don’t understand and which is forced on them, and in that sense only did he mean to equate it with Obamacare.

And that above is a legitimate observation because that's exactly what the proposal does, and then as a sales point it says that anyone over 55 years old is protected from the Ryan medicare reform, by the reform itself, to avoid their opposition to it. How was that supposed to sell to voters? No one under 55 thinks of retirement? No one would see through that?

Newt using the term ‘radical’ was spitting in House Republicans faces. Especially after they voted for it after he supported it.

I have a related complaint about the House repealing Obama-care then moving on and giving up. Rather to expect to successfully force a repeal on liberal states, why didnt the house pass a second bill that gives each governor or state assembly the power to completely opt out of all parts Obama-care? Then they could force a vote on that in the Senate as part of debt ceiling. Seems like that would be a tough thing for Democrats to oppose.

77 posted on 05/17/2011 12:07:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs

Bennett didn’t see it as top down and forced on people. He said Ryan didn’t have that kind of power...it was a proposal that he was trying to sell and Newt’s language was like “shooting at Ryan from the rear”.

Bennett is taking this literally and for real, whereas Newt was talking about perception. I come down on the side that indeed the plan is vulnerable to that perception especially with the Dems lies about it. I heard an elderly woman call in to CSpan all worried sick that the Republicans were taking away her Medicare. An elderly man caller seemed to believe it was ditto for his Social Security. They were so ignorant it made one want to cry.

I like your idea about an opt out bill. Especially with all the wavers, and with Reid’s state of Nevada being exempted, it would make perfect sense. And the Repubs could say, either give us an opt out vote, Reid, or no debt ceiling vote. The one fly in the ointment is, of course, Obama vetoes it. But then, he has to run on that veto, so it should even out.


78 posted on 05/17/2011 2:39:09 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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