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LED bulbs hit 100 watts as federal ban looms
Associated Press ^ | 16 May 2011 | Peter Svensson

Posted on 05/16/2011 5:49:24 PM PDT by verum ago

NEW YORK – Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January.

Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect.

The new bulbs will also be expensive — about $50 each — so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs. The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

To encourage energy efficiency, Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals, starting in 2012. Conventional light bulbs don't meet those goals, so the law will prohibit making or importing them. The same rule will start apply to remaining bulbs 40 watts and above in 2014. Since January, California has already banned stores from restocking 100-watt incandescent bulbs.

Creating good alternatives to the light bulb has been more difficult than expected, especially for the very bright 100-watt bulbs. Part of the problem is that these new bulbs have to fit into lamps and ceiling fixtures designed for older technology.

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To: Lazlo in PA

I wonder if I can get an exemption. I need the heat in the winter months, and we do not use any air conditioning in the summer.


51 posted on 05/16/2011 6:22:18 PM PDT by healy61
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
This incandescent ban is going to make it difficult to keep newborn livestock warm.

How are little girls going to learn to bake cookies in their Mattel ovens? Those things operate on light bulbs.

52 posted on 05/16/2011 6:23:52 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
But it sounds cool. And those LED flashlights are really cool. My TV even has LEDs! And my Xmas Tree — cool!! Lets force everyone to switch to LED bulbs even though we don't know a thing about them.

Sincerely,

The Feds and Lawmakers.

.../sarc

53 posted on 05/16/2011 6:24:33 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Ronald_Magnus
LEDs are ideal in circumstances where it’s a major operation to replace a burned out bulb. Traffic lights are a good example.

True. I like my LED flashlights. Though the sight of an LED traffic light here last winter covered in snow and ice (that an incandescent one would've melted off) cracked me up pretty good.
54 posted on 05/16/2011 6:25:28 PM PDT by verum ago (Ok, you read this, you can take your bifocals off again)
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To: microgood

Do you live in an earthquake-prone zone?


55 posted on 05/16/2011 6:26:09 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: verum ago

Good grief.

There was a post, possibly last week or so, about these new CFL bulbs burning the sockets in the fixtures, causing fires, etc. I think one of our FReeper electricians weighed in and included many photos on the thread. I’ve done some searches and cannot find it.

I wanna email it to my landlord because not one, but two of my CFL bulbs looked just like the pics (one of the bulb was emitting smoke as it died!) and NOW, even normal incandescent bulbs burn out much faster than usual.

Good thing my landlord is an electrician by trade, because I think he is going to have to replace two ceiling fixtures in this place.


56 posted on 05/16/2011 6:26:29 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

“This incandescent ban is going to make it difficult to keep newborn livestock warm.”

I know that some firm was selling incandescents as ‘heating devices’ rather than light bulbs in order to get around the ban.


57 posted on 05/16/2011 6:27:53 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: The Duke

I guess the retirees just get to eat that one along with inflation.


58 posted on 05/16/2011 6:28:15 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: tubebender

Like I said, get them at the parts store.

I’m sure a Grote trailer dome light isn’t fifty bucks. You can probably run several off one AC adapter.


59 posted on 05/16/2011 6:29:28 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month...April.)
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To: Jonty30
Do you live in an earthquake-prone zone?

Yes, but I have never seen an earthquake break a light bulb. I guess it is possible. We had a 6.8 on 2001 here and I did not lose a single bulb in the house or anywhere.
60 posted on 05/16/2011 6:30:56 PM PDT by microgood
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To: verum ago

Why is the government mandating what kind of bulbs I can use and how much water I can use in my bathroom?

We are all frogs in a pot, slowly being cooked.

Pretty soon the government will be the one deciding everything we do and we will have no say in it.


61 posted on 05/16/2011 6:32:55 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: HectorOne

“I never thought I would be hoarding light bulbs like I live in Cuba or North Korea.”

Because you will soon be living in a country that is as much of a dictatorship as Cuba and N. Korea...


62 posted on 05/16/2011 6:34:54 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

” We are all frogs in a pot, slowly being cooked. “

Might as well go ahead and break out the (government mandated low-sodium) saltines - frog soup’s just about done....


63 posted on 05/16/2011 6:36:37 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: org.whodat

“I paid 300.00 for my first caculator a desk model, two years later a Texas instrument pocket model cost 35.00. Today about two to five dollars for a pocket model.”

Good point, and that price action is what is going to happen with LEDs as well.

Not that the politicians who took it upon themselves to ban incandescents should be let off without a serious caning.


64 posted on 05/16/2011 6:38:14 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: microgood

Not that I am wishing anybody here ill-will.

I’m just looking at the humorous side of the issue. :)


65 posted on 05/16/2011 6:38:14 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Bryan24
Watts..... Lumens......

Caught that. Could not find the actual wattage or lumens anywhere in the article. AP. Not the brightest bulbs in the journalist world.
66 posted on 05/16/2011 6:40:57 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Or I can walk out to my storage shed and pick a NOS 100 bulb off the shelf...


67 posted on 05/16/2011 6:41:12 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: UniqueViews

well said.


68 posted on 05/16/2011 6:44:23 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: PA Engineer

“not the brightest bulbs....”

LOL.... Good one.


69 posted on 05/16/2011 6:44:58 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: The Duke

I have 30 sockets in my house that take original bulbs. That is not counting outside and the garage.
That is $1500 for lightbulbs. These people are raving idiots.


70 posted on 05/16/2011 6:45:38 PM PDT by sheana
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To: verum ago

shhh...I’m building 99W incadescents in my basement.....


71 posted on 05/16/2011 6:47:12 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: Trod Upon
I guess the retirees just get to eat that one along with inflation.

It just gives retirees a something to leave to the next generation (or they can go with those mercury-tainted "cancer grow lites" they're selling now).

Or, better yet, we could toss the NWO crowd out of DC.

72 posted on 05/16/2011 6:50:26 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Danae

not to mention you can no longer buy mercury thermometers.

we have the ear and temple new versions and they are inaccurate.

finally, my doc sold me a mexican mercury thermometer.


73 posted on 05/16/2011 6:50:26 PM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: Pelham

“I know that some firm was selling incandescents as ‘heating devices’ rather than light bulbs in order to get around the ban.”

That’s what they did in Europe to get around their ban.


74 posted on 05/16/2011 6:50:36 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: "You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: verum ago

The color of light these new bulbs gives off is rather depressing...it ruins the color of everything. Sort of like daylight with thick cloud cover vs. sunlight. The quality of light they give off is absolutely inferior to traditional bulbs.


75 posted on 05/16/2011 6:53:50 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: verum ago; All
I don't have an issue with the lights themselves. If people want to use them, that is their business if they want to pay the money and a manufacturer thinks they can make money by producing them. What I take issue with is government bureaucrats taking my money via confiscatory taxes, TELLING me how to spend the money they leave me, then passing legislation to DRIVE up the cost of energy so we are FORCED to spend more money to drive our cars, heat our homes and turn on our lights, whether they be incandescent or CFL. These bastards think they are doing us a big favor because they think they know best, and are trying to twist our arms to accept their utopian crap. They think if energy costs go up high enough, their plans to harness unicorn flatulence or whatever will become economically viable.

Well I don't care to take part in their damned experiments. If my town wants to purchase LED based traffic and street lights because it saves the town money and is a guaranteed return on investment, then power to them. If people want these CFL lights in the marketplace as an alternative to make their homes more energy efficient, then I think is is fine and would never say boo to anyone so inclined. Actually, my issue is not even residential lighting. Making citizens purchase stuff we don't want and don't need is NOT going to solve any kind of energy shortage. It is the equivalent of selling carbon credits or putting a magnetic sticker on the back of a car. It is Jimmy Carter wearing sweaters and telling us to turn our thermostats down.

So to make my point that forcing all of us to use these things, have to pay MORE money to buy them (even though most of us have found they don't last nearly as long as the government says they do) Here an the original unaltered graph from Livermore Labs/DOE which I think is a very, very good graphical representation (reflecting the situation in 2009):

As shown below, I cut out a part of that graph and marked it up. Of the four major sectors, residential is the second smallest using just 4.65% of generated electrical power as shown by the graph. Government statistics say lighting consumes 12% of 4.65% of electricity flowing into a house. In the inset (enlarged) part shows the 4.65% pipeline with the red stripe on it showing the lighting share, and the green stripe showing what it would be if we assume 10% efficiency compared to CFL for incandescent bulbs. (The orange pipe leading into the box signifies the RESIDENTAL SECTOR of the energy grid and is representative of energy generated from all sources)

I didn't get this image from some anti-enviroweenie website. I made it myself after analyzing the data on the graph and government data such as estimates of how much lighting uses. And it illustrates the point I make, backed up with the government's own data, that forcing us to do this via statist legislation is basically ANOTHER camel nose in the figurative tent...BECAUSE THEY CAN.

If the market really wanted these lightbulbs, they would have made it on their own without government legislation. But, in my opinion, buying into this without a fight just exacerbates this statist mess we are in covering everything from legislation against transfats and salt in the diet to the amount of water we can flush down our toilet. Liberals think this is great because it is their pet thing that they have bought hook, line and sinker, running around screaming that we are running out of energy. Surrendering to this just invites the government to intrude into EVERY facet of our life.

I don't disparage people for choosing CFL's as a stand to take. I believe I have the data (shown graphically here) to indicate that using CFL's in houses isn't going to save us from anything. It is just a piece of do-gooder legislation that only does just that...makes guilty people feel good. I readily admit that one can make an argument for commercial/industrial building codes and so on, and I might buy into it and agree, the same as I agree with towns purchasing led-based traffic lights. However, building codes are so top heavy with bureaucracy now that I would fight against mandating these in commercial use on those grounds alone.

By my home is my home. And we have gone far too long allowing the government to dictate what we can and cannot do on our own quarter acre of land, small as it is. I am sick to death of it.

76 posted on 05/16/2011 6:53:54 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: BfloGuy

Stock up on 100 watt bulbs now.


77 posted on 05/16/2011 6:54:36 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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I have been picking up 6 four-packs of bulbs each week with the groceries at Walmart.84 cents per pack,21 cents per bulb.been doing this since last June...


78 posted on 05/16/2011 6:55:03 PM PDT by razbinn (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,and to the republic for which it ...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Don’t buy Sylvania bulbs, they are total crap. I have to replace them constantly and the latest one blew the first time I turned it on. We don’t have much choice, there are only a few incadescent bulb producers left, and I think all are in China.


79 posted on 05/16/2011 6:55:39 PM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: Danae
Libs can buy them with Ben & Jackwagon's Monopoly money.

Money2e

80 posted on 05/16/2011 6:55:57 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks verum ago.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=99&t=3

[snip] EIA estimates that in 2009, about 511 billion kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity were used for lighting by the residential and commercial sectors. This was equal to about 19% of the total electricity consumed by both of those sectors and 13.6% of total U.S. electricity consumption. [/snip]

http://www.eia.doe.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=98&t=3

[snip] EIA estimates that in 2008, about 518.5 billion kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity were used for cooling and ventilation by the residential and commercial sectors. Of that, about 227 billion kWh was used for cooling by the residential sector, which was about 16% of the total residential electricity consumption. About 291 billion kWh was used by the commercial sector for cooling and ventilation, which was about 22% of total commercial sector electricity consumption. Combined, that was about 17.6% of total U.S. electricity consumption in 2008. [/snip]


81 posted on 05/16/2011 6:58:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: dhs12345

“I am skeptical. I haven’t seen an LED that can come close to an incandescent bulb in intensity.”

I suppose it depends on how many of the little buggers you stuff into the fixture. Our new ambulance has LED lights and they are WAY brighter than the light bars on the old ambulance. I have a lot less problem getting traffic to move out of the way with the new lights.


82 posted on 05/16/2011 6:59:15 PM PDT by Old Forester
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To: verum ago

So if I put one of these 50.00 lights outside and it
get’s stollen - is this covered under home owners insurance?


83 posted on 05/16/2011 6:59:15 PM PDT by savage woman
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To: sheana

You currently run 30-100 watt bulbs in your house?


84 posted on 05/16/2011 7:02:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: verum ago

http://cgi.ebay.com/3W-GU10-High-Power-focus-LED-spot-Lamp-85-240V-3x1W-/170509976011?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b32fc1cb

3 watts, $4.26, LED


85 posted on 05/16/2011 7:02:19 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: The Duke

You can thank the Bush administration for this stupid law.


86 posted on 05/16/2011 7:02:40 PM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: verum ago
This light bulb issue makes my blood boil. I know the type of idiot who was behind this idiotic legislation.

Consider this. I have a couple of storage areas in my house where I use high wattage bulbs. But I almost never leave them on more than a few minutes. I need high luminescence in these rooms so I can find what I'm looking for. So now I'm expected to go out and buy a $15 light bulb for storage areas that I rarely go? Stupidity, no madness. I can buy a high wattage bulb for may $1-2 bucks and I'm not wasting energy because these incandescent bulbs are on for such a brief period of time.

People can buy those motion detector sensors which will go out if someone forgets to cut the lights out after leaving a room. That would save a large amount of energy without forcing you to buy those terrible Compact Fluorescent Bulbs that put out low quality light.
87 posted on 05/16/2011 7:03:26 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Old Forester

They are much brighter and more efficient. The household ones I’ve tried have been duds — and the comparison shopping has been impossible in my experience, there’s no info on the LED packaging that relates to the incandescent specs nearby. Sometimes its possible to compare the compact fluorescents with the incandescents, and then the CF with the LEDs.


88 posted on 05/16/2011 7:04:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Old Forester

Yup. You have to cram a bunch of them into a small area. Apparently heating is a problem. There are other technical issues, too.

They’d be in business if they could create a single LED that produces the same intensity as a bulb. I wonder if that is possible and if an LED lamp that runs at 1VDC is as efficient as a bulb that runs at 120VAC.

Reliability is another issue. And how do the LED bulbs handle AC transients and spikes? Does that reduce their life.


89 posted on 05/16/2011 7:06:45 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: verum ago
$50 is the number. But I remember going through the Big Screen Store years ago and seeing the large TVs priced higher than many cars. LED prices will change and the green fascist poison bulbs will go the way of kerosene lamps.
90 posted on 05/16/2011 7:06:58 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: verum ago

“The technology in traditional “incandescent” bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat.”

And none of that energy is wasted during much of the year in colder climates. As that heat is just what the doctor prescribed. It heats your home.

As for LED lighting. It is harder on my eyes than the CFL’s. Very directional and shadow casting. And it alters the colors of things.


91 posted on 05/16/2011 7:07:07 PM PDT by Revel
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To: The Duke

$50 times the 22 bulbs I have in my house, is pretty inexpensive. I mean, since they last 50 years, maybe I can add them to my mortgage.


92 posted on 05/16/2011 7:07:17 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: ansel12

No but if the 100 watt equivalent LEDs are $50 what do you think a 60 equivalent would cost? So I spend $1k or more. Shrug. They still are raving idiots.


93 posted on 05/16/2011 7:07:51 PM PDT by sheana
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To: SoothingDave

That’s exactly what I was thinking. The heat is not wasted, in the summer, I seldom use the bulbs for more than a few minutes.


94 posted on 05/16/2011 7:08:31 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

My WM has a good supply and the price hasn’t started to spike yet.


95 posted on 05/16/2011 7:09:40 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: The Duke

Yeah: and it might not too.

$50.00 Good googamooga.


96 posted on 05/16/2011 7:10:39 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Bryan24
Very succinctly put!

We've live in a world, where morons who don't know the first thing about physics, have the power to determine what type of light bulb we use. Then they have the effrontery to lecture us — all the while wallowing in their fathomless ignorance.

Like I said — you put it succinctly. I would have gone on and on.

97 posted on 05/16/2011 7:14:41 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: verum ago

No need to get concerned about price. I only need 10 bulbs for the kitchen, and 14 for the den, to start with. That’s only $1200 in bulbs for the first 2 rooms. I can probably replace all of the bulbs in the house for no more than the cost of a new car. Unfortunately, the one I drive is over 15 years old and not even worth one room of bulbs.


98 posted on 05/16/2011 7:15:23 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: verum ago
RELAX EVERYONE!!!Have you not noticed that your local light bulb manufacturer has already prepared for the disaster by launching production of the soon-to-be-venerated 97-watt bulb??

For every legal action that "closes a gap" there are myriad also-legal actions proving that "the gap" was part of a VERY LARGE screen door.

99 posted on 05/16/2011 7:16:27 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A free man unarmed is just a slave on borrowed time.)
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To: verum ago
RELAX EVERYONE!!!

Have you not noticed that your local light bulb manufacturer has already prepared for the disaster by launching production of the soon-to-be-venerated 97-watt bulb??

For every legal action that "closes a gap" there are myriad also-legal actions proving that "the gap" was part of a VERY LARGE screen door.

100 posted on 05/16/2011 7:16:34 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A free man unarmed is just a slave on borrowed time.)
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