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Study: Homosexuality, celibacy didn't cause abuse (Catholic Church)
AP ^ | May 17, 2011 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 05/17/2011 9:03:10 PM PDT by PROCON

WASHINGTON (AP) - Researchers commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to analyze the pattern of clergy sex abuse over decades have concluded that homosexuality, celibacy and an all-male priesthood did not cause the scandal. The report from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York said about 44 percent of the known abuse cases involved priests who were ordained in the 1940s and 1950s, at a time when seminaries did not properly train them to live a celibate life. These men were not equipped to withstand the social upheaval of the 1960s, which was a time of an increase in sexual deviancy and a spike in crime in society at large, the authors said.

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To: little jeremiah
But celibacy is not the cause of men being attracted to boys; the cause of that is homosexual infiltration.

That is the most precise, well-thought out reason I have ever heard!

Thanks!

21 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:06 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: gusty; SatinDoll

I’ve got an idea, no forcing men into the priesthood any more! Only volunteers who want to be celibate! And no homos! Problem solved.


22 posted on 05/17/2011 9:42:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SatinDoll

Who you hang out with does not have any bearing on ones sexuality. It is who you want to jump into the sack with that does.


23 posted on 05/17/2011 9:45:05 PM PDT by gusty
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To: PROCON

Aw shucks, it just came to me in a flash of insight. ///


24 posted on 05/17/2011 9:45:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PROCON

Extremely stupid study that tries to obscure the homosexuality—man/boy —connection. It is obvious by the numbers and obvious through history that homosexuality is rampant with pederasty. It is a learned behavior...most of the abusers were molested as boys by men. That is the only study that would prove anything.....that homosexuality is learned and the compulsion to perpetuate the behavior is because of childhood abuse that is so ingrained that the obsession for the reoccurrence of those sexual thrills are really too hard to repress. It is unnatural.

The Catholic Church needs to connect the dots....how many of those priests were molested by men when they were boys. I read where lots of them were victims when they were boys. Homosexuals want people to think it is a “natural” behavior that is “genetic”. Rubbish!!!!!! It is a learned behavior and homosexuals want to molest boys, as well as young men.

It is why boys in Afghanistan can’t wait to have their stable of boys to sodomize. It is learned...just like in Ancient Greece. Study Aristotle.....habituation.....it is not that hard to comprehend. It is a behavior and because it is sexual arousal brought up in childhood—it is ingrained and hard to fight. It is why NAMBLA’s motto is—if not by eight, then it is too late.

It is why the Cultural Marxist want sex ed in Kindergarten and elementary schools...to condition and brainwash children into thinking the unnatural is natural. Then the thought of homosexual acts will be considered icky by normally raised children and they won’t be willing to experiment in that lifestyle. It is all about making the unnatural natural.

The Christian worldview prevented homosexuality from being mainstreamed in Western Civilization after it got rid of the pagan worldview which was rampant with homosexuality and pederasty and all unnatural sexual acts and slavery and women as second class citizens or worse.


25 posted on 05/17/2011 9:47:30 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: little jeremiah

Better idea. Let priests marry (a women) like a normal guy.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 9:47:59 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

You’re confusing the two.

There is no proof homosexuality is biological in origin. If that were true, there would be no switching from homosexuality to heterosexuality (and vice versa).

It appears that human sexuality is very flexible, and that instead of the “I was born this way” it is “I can’t help that I feel this way”. In other words, a personality disorder.


27 posted on 05/17/2011 9:50:55 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: little jeremiah
it just came to me in a flash of insight.///

And we both know WHO gave you those words, don't we..:=)

28 posted on 05/17/2011 9:50:55 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: gusty

I’ve got an idea. Don’t become a priest if you don’t want to be celibate.

Some people have a vocation for celibacy. Human beings have free will and are meant to use control over their senses and not run after every single object that they happen to desire. If you don’t want to become a celibate priest or monk, no one is forcing you. And no one is forcing the men who join the priesthood or monasteries, or women who become nuns.

It’s a voluntary austerity they take to serve God. And it is common in other religions as well, as a way to sacrifice for God. If others want to do it, why do you object? It’s all voluntary.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 9:51:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: onyx
Don’t need a study to know that the offending priests were and are queer pedophiles: the majority of victims were ages 10-14.

Exactly. Did the study look at how many of the offending priests classified themselves as homosexual? Doubt it. People get too hung up on the word "pedophile", which is prepubescent children (male or female) and for which the offenders can be gay or straight. But the victims here are older, and those offenders are referred to as "pederasts". The victims are almost exclusively boys, and the offenders are almost 100% homosexual. That's the dirty secret no one wants to talk about.

The article is covers this up by saying that homosexuality is not a cause. Homosexuality is different from pederasty, as pederasty is a sub-set of homosexual behavior. So, technically correct, but a damnable lie all the same.

30 posted on 05/17/2011 9:53:40 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: gusty
My theory is that celibacy attracts those who are homosexual or deviant.

Or morally tough. I know a lot of priests, and they include the best men I know. Basically, if you're not giving anything up if you swear off women, they don't want you at most seminaries today. Certainly didn't seem to be the case in the 1970s, but the landscape has changed.

Young priests today are very conservative, very self-disciplined, and they are the future. Many of the older ones hate this about them. (TS.)

31 posted on 05/17/2011 9:55:50 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SatinDoll

I never stated what the origin of homosexuality is. I have no idea to be honest. I just use the old Dice Clay definition. You either do or you don’t (I cleaned it up a bit). In my own case, one look at Barbara Eden on “I Dream of Jeannie” when very young, I knew which side I wanted to be on.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 9:56:23 PM PDT by gusty
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To: max americana

I hadn’t noticed AP, but you’re right about that outfit!


33 posted on 05/17/2011 9:58:31 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: little jeremiah
You are going to need interrogators from Gitmo to separate the good from the bad at the seminaries.
34 posted on 05/17/2011 9:59:51 PM PDT by gusty
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To: savagesusie
I didn't see your analysis while typing mine, but well said! I've said for years that homosexual behavior is a developmental behavioral disorder. There's no evidence you're born with it, and it's not a psychological defect like other disorders. It's learned behavior from how you were treated while growing up, and doesn't necessarily mean one was molested to engage in the behavior as an adult. Dr. Charles Socarides did a lot of studies on this.

Look at how many women become lesbians later in life. Too many times screwed over by men is always the story. But this phenomena is never mentioned when discussing male homosexual behavior, for obvious reasons.

35 posted on 05/17/2011 10:00:49 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: SatinDoll

Yes but you are a woman..quite a different celibate animal than a man

And not capable of the same level of pederasty as a rule if you fall


36 posted on 05/17/2011 10:05:34 PM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump beating on Obama---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: GreatOne
Did the study look at how many of the offending priests classified themselves as homosexual? Doubt it.

I doubt it, too. Why ask the direct question when it's so much fun to avoid the issue?

Thank you very mch for your detailed explanation and your PREFECT© conclusion:

The victims are almost exclusively boys, and the offenders are almost 100% homosexual. That's the dirty secret no one wants to talk about.

The article is covers this up by saying that homosexuality is not a cause. Homosexuality is different from pederasty, as pederasty is a sub-set of homosexual behavior. So, technically correct, but a damnable lie all the same.

37 posted on 05/17/2011 10:06:17 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: gusty

LOL!


38 posted on 05/17/2011 10:08:46 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: wardaddy

And you would know how.....


39 posted on 05/17/2011 10:10:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: little jeremiah

Why do I object. Personally it doesn’t effect me. I’m not Catholic. I am looking at it from a systems point of view. The way it is set up will lead to abuses. It is a symbiosis of celibacy colliding with homosexuality. Do not put your head in the sand, believe me a large segment of the American public equate Catholic priests and pedophiles together. Be honest, how many jokes have you heard like that. Many if your are honest. The jokes would not be funny unless there was some truth to them.


40 posted on 05/17/2011 10:11:15 PM PDT by gusty
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