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As Government Bans Regular Light Bulbs, LED Replacements Will Cost $50 Each
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Posted on 05/18/2011 5:44:26 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

NEW YORK – Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January.

Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect.

The new bulbs will also be expensive — about $50 each — so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs.

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That'll help the economy!/s
1 posted on 05/18/2011 5:44:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Jerry Doyle was talking about this on the radio yesterday. Totally insane.

I’ll be buying 100-watt incandescent bulbs at the hardware store today, if they have any.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 5:48:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A whole lot of people are going to be sitting in the dark.

We have families who claim they cannot afford to pack a sandwich for their child to take to school. We have many families who live paycheck to paycheck. A $50 lightbulb?? Many people will just do without.

We are a third world country.

3 posted on 05/18/2011 5:49:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

why don’t they use the 100 watt equivalent cfls (26 watt) which cost like $3? Yes, cfls make terrible light, but no one is going to spend $50 on a LED replacement for a 100W bulb. They’ll be buying the $3 CFL.

It’s being presented as either you spend $50 a piece on LED replacements or you hoard 100W incands.


4 posted on 05/18/2011 5:49:42 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: ClearCase_guy

$3 CFL - 100 Watt equivalent - 26 Watts actual. That’s what most people will buy, not the $50 LED - 100 Watt equivalent - 10-15 watts actual.


5 posted on 05/18/2011 5:51:42 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

CFLs contain mercury and will be declared illegal shortly.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 5:51:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: truthfreedom
It’s being presented as either you spend $50 a piece on LED replacements or you hoard 100W incands.

Well then, it's a no-brainer, isn't it?

7 posted on 05/18/2011 5:52:46 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: ClearCase_guy

you think? I’m not a big fan of cfls, but they do put out a lot of light per watt, and they’re cheap.


8 posted on 05/18/2011 5:53:29 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: ClearCase_guy
We have families who claim they cannot afford to pack a sandwich for their child to take to school.

Off topic, but do you believe there is actually any family who could not reduce some expenditure ... cigarettes, for example, or beer, or cable, or the electricity to run the big-screen tv ... and buy lunch supplies for their children?

9 posted on 05/18/2011 5:55:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: bcsco

I don’t have to do either. I can just buy $3 CFLs whenever I need one. And there isn’t a crisis. I do believe that the Federal Government should not be helping me shop for light bulbs.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 5:55:43 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: ClearCase_guy
Many people will just do without.

That's what the elitists intend. Make everyday "luxuries" like lightbulbs so expensive that the average person just does without. This makes the elitist that much more special when they can afford those "luxuries" that used to be commonplace.

11 posted on 05/18/2011 5:58:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Tax-chick
Oh, I agree with you. But the essence of what makes someone "poor" -- in almost all cases -- is a an ability to consistently make bad choices. Dropping out of school, having children out of wedlock, drinking too much, punching the boss, etc.

Could these people cut back on cigarettes in order to feed their children? They sure could. But they (apparently) don't. And will they buy fewer lottery tickets so that they can afford lightbulbs? Naaaaah ... they want to be millionaires.

12 posted on 05/18/2011 5:59:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The ultimate goal of socialism is to have two classes of people - a small, extremely rich ruling class, and a large, impoverished class of peasants to do their bidding.


13 posted on 05/18/2011 6:00:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Find out who controls the supply of mercury in this country and trace their political contributions, and you will discover the source of this scam.


14 posted on 05/18/2011 6:01:25 AM PDT by csmusaret (Sarah says "Drill baby drill." Obama says "Drill in Brazil.")
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To: truthfreedom

Well that’s the point. People will begin by hoarding the 100W incands, switching to the CFL’s when the supply runs out (or up until January). There’s no way anyone in their right mind will pay $50 for a light bulb. And the manufacturers will quickly find there’s no market and the price will drop quickly. But, by then, it’ll be a product with a reputation.

The government can dictate all it wants. But that doesn’t mean the people will comply.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 6:01:52 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: ClearCase_guy
But the essence of what makes someone "poor" -- in almost all cases -- is a an ability to consistently make bad choices.

Excellent summary.

From another angle ... do people who don't read, sew, or do crossword puzzles, who are out in the bars or the street at night, and who have the tv on 24/7 even use light bulbs?

16 posted on 05/18/2011 6:02:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: csmusaret

Its already been done, GE pushed for the ban. GE makes the CFLs of course.


17 posted on 05/18/2011 6:05:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Behold, Obama's energy and lighting policy!

18 posted on 05/18/2011 6:07:54 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: driftdiver

Manufacturing has nothing to do with the souce of raw materials. Someone stands to make tons of money on the sale of mercury, and money is the only thing that would have convinced Congress to force this potential hazard into our homes.


19 posted on 05/18/2011 6:12:23 AM PDT by csmusaret (Sarah says "Drill baby drill." Obama says "Drill in Brazil.")
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To: driftdiver
GE pushed for the ban. GE makes the CFLs of course.

GE was also one of the largest manufacturers of standard incandescent light bulbs in the world. They're now going to have to close their standard light bulb manufacturing facilities, or completely retrofit those factories to make CFLs and LED bulbs.

I don't get the upside of this for them.

20 posted on 05/18/2011 6:14:21 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: truthfreedom

Why should I have to buy a $3 CFL when I can get a 6 pack of incandescents for the same price. I tried the CFL a couple of times and they didn’t even last longer.


21 posted on 05/18/2011 6:18:34 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: ClearCase_guy

We have families who claim they cannot afford to pack a sandwich for their child to take to school.

Got an e-mail from a mom this AM asking for a gas card to get to Childrens Hospital from out of town. Her child has to have regular visits to Childrens Hospital to check his Cancer remission. Our government is insane and has to be replaced for allowing such outlandish things to come upon the people of the United States of America.


22 posted on 05/18/2011 6:24:58 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: bcsco

I saw at Wally world in So Cal they are already not stocking 100 w bulbs, they have 95 w bulbs instead, more than one way to skin a very dumb cat(Guvmint) LOL!


23 posted on 05/18/2011 6:30:39 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Red in Blue PA
...so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs.

Gee, ya think?

24 posted on 05/18/2011 6:33:35 AM PDT by hattend (Obama is better than OJ... He found a killer while on the golf course.)
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To: Windflier

“I don’t get the upside of this for them”

CFLs sell for $3 - 6 dollars each. Incandescent bulbs sell for about 65 cents.


25 posted on 05/18/2011 6:35:45 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red in Blue PA


Compassionate conservative in action making sure what we twist in our houses is heavily regulated. The fact that "bulbs" will cost more and less output does not matter, what matters is that they think Thomas Edison screwed the environment up (Plus some were probably "compensated" for their votes).
26 posted on 05/18/2011 6:39:27 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: DAC21

Haven’t bought any light bulbs lately, so haven’t noticed what’s on the shelves. I’ll have to check the next time I’m at our Wally World. But our store is cutting its inventory to the bone because the store is going super size (They’re going to put everything at close-out levels instead of moving their existing inventory). So, the shelves may not be representative right now.


27 posted on 05/18/2011 6:40:25 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Tax-chick
*Off topic, but do you believe there is actually any family who could not reduce some expenditure ... cigarettes, for example, or beer, or cable, or the electricity to run the big-screen tv ... and buy lunch supplies for their children?*

With the wages that are paid today combined with the high price of rent, I’m surprised many families can even pay rent. The cigarettes, beer, and cable probably left long ago. The want ads will show many single digits per hour jobs. 20%+ actual unemployment (vs 9% govt spin) is a terrible thing.

(Recession: your neighbor is unemployed Depression: you are unemployed)

Nothing is impossible for the guy who doesn’t have to do it.

28 posted on 05/18/2011 6:43:39 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree completely only fools buy the argument that socialism is about equality.


29 posted on 05/18/2011 6:45:17 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS orRINO's.)
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To: truthfreedom

You aren’t supposed to use them in enclosed lighting


30 posted on 05/18/2011 6:48:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They will cost $50 initially. But like every new technology mass production will make them progressively cheaper over time. LED’s use so little wattage that I think they really are the wave of the future.

That being said, it’s not the government’s place to force the change.


31 posted on 05/18/2011 6:53:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wolfman23601; bcsco

“Why should I have to buy a $3 CFL when I can get a 6 pack of incandescents for the same price. I tried the CFL a couple of times and they didn’t even last longer.”
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I will start by saying that mandating CFLs is Marxist,
and the government should have to answer to the SCOTUS.

Here in the Philippines I was quite surprised to find that the CFLs are most prominent, even in very rural areas.
While I do not like them, I have become use to their annoying cold color.
I have one on the front porch, one in the kitchen, one in the bathroom, and one overhead in the bedroom (rarely used).
In two years, I have replaced only one or two of four bulbs, and the porch light stays on all night.
They can, however, and do sometimes fail prematurely.

I use a soft quartz lamp over my computer, and standard incandescent bulbs in my two bedroom lamps.

I think the future is in LED bulbs. They CAN, and will be made very cheaply in the future, and I think they will be able to provide numerous hues of light to fit any situation.
They have already taken over the flashlight business.
I have a little pocket flashlight that has 15 diodes, running on 3 triple-A batteries.
It puts out enough light for me to use while bicycling at
night.


32 posted on 05/18/2011 6:53:11 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Government subsidies for people who “need” the regular light bulbs because of some sort of allergy, sensitivity, disability, or other issue can’t be far behind followed by the law suits for emotional stress, etc. etc. The new alternative to legislation is to just make things the government desires you to do or buy very inconvenient to the point of being impossible. They just “nudge” you towards what they want. This replaces the former marketplace where advertisers nudge us to prefer their products by making them cheaper or better. We are all children now.Since a light bulb is a symbol of ideas, progress, enLIGHTenment and it is so tangible and part of our lives, the issue provides some potential good campaign fodder.


33 posted on 05/18/2011 7:01:48 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (If you try to fail and you succeed , what have you just done?)
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To: Tax-chick

How many light bulbs do you buy in a year, what types? It is surprisingly few for most of us. So figure it out, then multiply that by your life expectancy ... then buy the bulbs and put them in the attic ... that’s what I did. “In my lifetime” ... there will be no light bulb ban ... and I’ll always have a choice ... go to the store or go to the attic.


34 posted on 05/18/2011 7:07:26 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
No problem, just bring back whaling and sell a bunch of these.


35 posted on 05/18/2011 7:11:14 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DAC21

We have been stocking up on bulbs. We placed the new Democrat bulbs in 2 lamps and it was a strange glow and difficult to see. Like the man said, the lighting was like a back stairwell in an old soviet apartment building.


36 posted on 05/18/2011 7:15:43 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: AlexW

Not at $50. Not at $25. Not at...


37 posted on 05/18/2011 7:17:13 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

We don’t use a lot of bulbs, and I don’t mind using 50- or 75-watt for most purposes. There are just a couple of lamps where I want 100-watt, so I can see for embroidery.


38 posted on 05/18/2011 7:29:52 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: Tax-chick

Might not hurt to store some candles, too. They are killing our industries and our lives with these regulations.


39 posted on 05/18/2011 7:34:53 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I truly do not understand all the fuss about incandescence bulbs.....the new Cree LED’s have been out for sometime. Best flashlight I have ever owned cost me $24, runs off 3 double A’s, lasts 40 hours and will throw a blinding beam 1/4 mile. One Cree LED.


40 posted on 05/18/2011 7:39:30 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: driftdiver
The Dollar Store by me sells 4-packs of Incandescents. $0.25 a pop.

If people want to buy CFLs, they should be able to buy them.

But, I think that it's foolish for the government to mandate that people spend 10-20 times as much for the same (debate aside) result, when a perfectly serviceable, cheaper, option is available.

Face it, if I'm laid off from work, and it comes down to an extra 5 bucks for groceries, or replacing a burned out lightbulb .... I can shuffle bulbs in fixtures around. Use flashlights. Candles. Other options.

Personally, I've got a 3-4 year stash of real light bulbs, and I'm adding to it. I don't even *use* 100W bulbs, and I picked up an 8-pack of them.

Who knows, I *might* want to use one someday (I'm thinking as a easy, portable heat source, frankly). Meantime, they won't go bad.

41 posted on 05/18/2011 7:52:05 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“They will cost $50 initially. But like every new technology mass production will make them progressively cheaper over time”

Perhaps, but they’ll never be as cheap as the old fashioned ones. Manufacturing LEDs is more expensive and more difficult. There are chemicals involved which need to be handled carefully.

There are also differences in the quality of light. Sure LEDs are great for flashlights and other uses. I strongly dislike the federal govt telling us which light bulb we have to buy.


42 posted on 05/18/2011 7:57:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: truthfreedom
why don’t they use the 100 watt equivalent cfls (26 watt) which cost like $3? Yes, cfls make terrible light, but no one is going to spend $50 on a LED replacement for a 100W bulb. They’ll be buying the $3 CFL.

It’s being presented as either you spend $50 a piece on LED replacements or you hoard 100W incands.

I have used both.

1.) The CFLs have not lasted longer than incandescent bulbs; they' have actually lasted less. Now we learn that if the CFLs are stored on their sides, they lose their life and do not last as long as incandescent bulbs.

2.) The CFLs contain mercury and are supposed to be disposed of as a hazardous material. I'm sure 99% of the population is not going to go to a recycling center to throw away bulbs that don't last longer than incandescent bulbs. There are even reports that the bulbs are giving of carcinogens because of the mercury; and that the bulbs can explode and shower the area with flaming gas and mercury debris.

3.) They don't make 3-way bulbs in CFL.

4.) Unlike the inflated claims of CFLs, LEDs really do last longer on top of using less energy. $50 is not so much for a bulb that will likely last many years. The price will come down as they become the bulb of choice.

43 posted on 05/18/2011 7:59:09 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: ScreamingFist

“I truly do not understand all the fuss about incandescence bulbs”

The fuss is about the govt telling people they are not allowed to buy a product simply because that product is perceived to be wasteful of energy.

Sure LED flashlights are nice, they also cost 10 times more than those with incandescent bulbs.


44 posted on 05/18/2011 8:00:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AlexW
My son bought me a small LED flashlight to carry deer hunting. I can't stand that silly blue light it puts out. I now keep it in the house in case the power goes out, I use it to find a real flashlight or the coleman lantern.
45 posted on 05/18/2011 8:00:49 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: truthfreedom

“I do believe that the Federal Government should not be helping me shop for light bulbs.”

I think it’ll become much more invasive. Soon, they’ll have to produce fixtures that will only accept the CFL “bulbs” (coils, actually). Then, you won’t be able to sell a house until/unless all fixtures meet the new code.


46 posted on 05/18/2011 8:02:44 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: ClearCase_guy; Red in Blue PA

****Many people will just do without.

We are a third world country.****

Well, burning whale oil ain’t out of style! Oh wait...


47 posted on 05/18/2011 8:03:36 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: oldironsides; DAC21
new Democrat bulbs

Hadn't heard that one. Is it because they're a bit dim, or because they don't work as well as they should? LOL!

If you'll indulge me for a sec...I recently bought a house. The former owners were in love with the $#@%@%$#@!! things.

Not too long ago, one of the Democrat Bulbs (lol) burned out. No biggie, I took it out to figure out what I needed to get to replace it.

The base of the bulb was all scorched. I said (well, never mind exactly what I said) ..... I said "Oh darn. Might have a bad light fixture." Sure enough, *all* of the bulbs in the fixture had the same scorching.

Now, being an engineer, and an inquistive one at that, I checked the bulbs in the rest of the house.

Yup. You guessed it. *ALL* of them were scorched. Now, I don't know the brand (couldn't read it, the bulbs were too badly damaged). I'd guess that they were different wattages, because they had different brightnesses. But I've no idea if they were the cheap ones, or what.

No matter. I'm not putting my house and family at risk to save a couple of bucks in electricity. We're now a CFL-free house, and all of the new bulbs are working just fine. Eventually, I'll move to LED's, once the price comes down. Meanwhile, I'm stockpiling real bulbs.

48 posted on 05/18/2011 8:04:29 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wolfman23601; truthfreedom

***Why should I have to buy a $3 CFL when I can get a 6 pack of incandescents for the same price.****

And at that “evil” Walmart yesterday I bought 12 100W incadescents for that same three dollars.

Now I can heat my water piping in winter, my well house, and keep the baby chicks warm! Oh yes, I can also read by their light when I use them in the house.

I tried CFLs but they don’t last near as long as promised, One only lasted 30 days before it blew out.


49 posted on 05/18/2011 8:09:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://www.nathosp.com/product/25k19_c/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs


50 posted on 05/18/2011 11:52:52 AM PDT by stompk
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