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State Moving To 2-Tier Driver's License System
The Hartford Cournat ^

Posted on 05/21/2011 6:28:58 PM PDT by matt04

Connecticut is forging ahead with a new two-tiered driver's license system despite questions about whether a federal law tightening identity requirements will actually be enforced amid a revolt by more than 20 states.

Under the new system, Connecticut will begin offering an "identity-verified" version of its regular driver's license to comply with the controversial federal initiative to increase the security of government-issued IDs.

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Those who want to continue using their driver's license at airport security checkpoints should brace for some inconvenience. Instead of just taking a new photo at DMV, motorists will have to stand in line with a birth certificate and other documents in hand – then wait for the clerk to verify they're authentic.

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Undocumented immigrants once could legally obtain a driver's license in Connecticut. Seymour explained that a driver's license was not originally intended to be an identification document, but rather a document that affirmed that its holder could drive and knew the rules of the road. Years ago they did not even include a photo.

The driver's license evolved over time, especially after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Beginning in 2002, applicants had to prove they were in the country legally to get a license. But undocumented immigrants who got their licenses before then have been able to renew them.

"We do not check legal status on renewals," Seymour said.

That will not change under the new system, Seymour said. Undocumented immigrants who simply ask to renew a regular license — the type that will have "not for federal identification" stamped on it — will be allowed to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration; realid
So they will inconvenience the law abiding citizens and look the other way way when a illegal renews their license, as long as they don't want to use it for flying or government building access. What could possibly go wrong?
1 posted on 05/21/2011 6:29:00 PM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04
At our local Tea Party in SW Ohio, we're moving forward with embracing the revocation of the Patriot Act. I think we've come to the conclusion that its not patriotic to give up Constitutional rights.

Papers please, indeed.

2 posted on 05/21/2011 6:31:58 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: matt04
Under the new system, Connecticut will begin offering an "identity-verified" version of its regular driver's license to comply with the controversial federal initiative to increase the security of government-issued IDs.

Ouch, that's going to be expensive.

When will we start printing them in multiple languages too?

3 posted on 05/21/2011 6:35:28 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Papers please, indeed.

Do you object to showing any ID to get on a plane or only one that has been verified as belonging to you?

4 posted on 05/21/2011 7:05:05 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
What difference does it make when the DMV employees are on the take? Florida DMV Issuing Fake Drivers Licenses
5 posted on 05/21/2011 7:20:15 PM PDT by NautiNurse (ObamaCare uses Bernie Madoff theory of economics)
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To: matt04

Is this the new Enhanced Drivers License like we have in WA? You can use it to get into and out of Mexico or Canada without a passport. You can still get a regular DL just to drive with or as an id.


6 posted on 05/21/2011 7:42:51 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: matt04

We have the same thing in NY. I just got a regular license. If I wanted to fly, I would present my US passport.


7 posted on 05/21/2011 7:43:45 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: matt04

We have the same thing in NY. I just got a regular license. If I wanted to fly, I would present my US passport.


8 posted on 05/21/2011 7:43:57 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: nutmeg

CT craziness ping.

How is this supposed to save us money Gov Malloy? We’re broke you goofball.


9 posted on 05/21/2011 7:50:58 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins?)
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To: Prokopton
Do you object to showing any ID to get on a plane or only one that has been verified as belonging to you?

Both. I flew commercially (> 75K miles/yr) for three decades without any ID required.

So I ask you, what happened to that right I once possessed?

10 posted on 05/21/2011 8:12:00 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

This would create a class of peons in our country.

It is inimical to this country to be largely populated by any other than citizens.


11 posted on 05/21/2011 8:23:50 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
So I ask you, what happened to that right I once possessed?

Moslems, shoebombers, and 911

12 posted on 05/21/2011 8:26:29 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
So I ask you, what happened to that right I once possessed?

Things change. At one time you could get a drivers license at the drugstore for 2 bits with no test. I think I'm glad that this is no longer possible.

Ids to fly have been required for 15 years. I haven't seen any degradation of peoples rights because of this. I also don't feel any impingement of my rights by having to show an ID to vote or buy alcohol.

A person can remain anonymous if they want, but they cannot expect the rest of society to cooperate. There's some things you can't do anonymously, everyone makes their own choices.

13 posted on 05/21/2011 8:43:39 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: terycarl
No, it was incremental. In the 1980s, the Palis started hyjacking planes to Cuba and the airlines started with the x-ray machines. Didn't need an ID.

Then in the early 1990s, ID's were required, I don't remember what prompted the increased security.

Then 9-11 with the box cutters and heightened security. Then the Patriot Act and TSA. Now full body scanners.

14 posted on 05/21/2011 8:50:58 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Prokopton

So what you are saying is the government doesn’t expand citizen rights, just infringes on them incrementally or takes them away. You’re a good fellow, you are.


15 posted on 05/21/2011 8:53:23 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: matt04
...a driver's license was not originally intended to be an identification document, but rather a document that affirmed that its holder could drive...

That has to be nonsense. States have ID cards that look like licenses for non-drivers who wish to have a picture ID.

What's next? Passports were not intended to be an identification document, but rather a document that let a person travel internationally?

-PJ

16 posted on 05/21/2011 9:02:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: matt04

Ahhh...CT...A sink-hole of obamination fecal matter...


17 posted on 05/21/2011 9:09:56 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Then 9-11 with the box cutters and heightened security. Then the Patriot Act and TSA. Now full body scanners.

I'm still shocked that it only took box cutters

I had jury duty the other day and had to put pretty much everything in the bin to put through the metal detector - it was only a regular body metal detector too - not the x-ray - so that was OK - but when I put my keys in the bucket the security guy said - "I have to take your scissors" right off the bat(I have folding scissors on my key chain)

Now in the recent past -well after 9/11 - I've gone to court houses and got through with my folding scissors - now they are all over stupid folding scissors

He grabbed my keys and gave me a ticket - I took them back -took off the scissors and handed just those to him (I got them back after jury duty)

But the thing was - I can do just as much damage to someone with a handful of keys as with folding scissors (or those box cutters)and he gave me my keys to walk around that court house with a decorative pin on it that could do more damage than folding keys

Ahh, the illusion of security....

18 posted on 05/21/2011 9:23:00 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
So what you are saying is the government doesn’t expand citizen rights, just infringes on them incrementally or takes them away

No rights come from the government, only restrictions on rights.

Right up your alley, comrade.

Stay in the basement, Buffy, and you won't be afraid.

19 posted on 05/21/2011 9:23:29 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

What’s with you and basements? You dealing with abandonment issues?


20 posted on 05/21/2011 9:54:05 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Prokopton; Zuben Elgenubi
A person can remain anonymous if they want, but they cannot expect the rest of society to cooperate. There's some things you can't do anonymously, everyone makes their own choices.

Seems you are posting anonymously.

For the good of the republic, you will need to prove your identification, complete with: name, SSN, address, bank account and credit card numbers.

After all, only terrorist and criminals have reason to withhold any information requested.

21 posted on 05/21/2011 9:55:01 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

Are you dealing with plantation issues?


22 posted on 05/21/2011 10:01:05 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: gogogodzilla
Seems you are posting anonymously.

For the good of the republic, you will need to prove your identification, complete with: name, SSN, address, bank account and credit card numbers.

Actually, I had to register. Mr. Robinson knows who I am and, I believe, at least one credit card number. No big deal.

23 posted on 05/21/2011 10:19:27 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

>>Mr. Robinson knows who I am and, I believe, at least one credit card number.<<

No credit card numbers are required to register for FR. It’s your memory that’s failing and creating this illusion of security for you.


24 posted on 05/21/2011 10:58:17 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: B4Ranch
No credit card numbers are required to register for FR. It’s your memory that’s failing and creating this illusion of security for you.

I guess that means you've never contributed.

25 posted on 05/21/2011 11:28:52 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Papers please, indeed.

I agree with you. We're falling ever further into a police state and most people think that, well, if you don't do anything wrong, you've got nothing to fear.

Once that may have been true, but that was before the government started making virtually everything "wrong".

26 posted on 05/22/2011 4:12:17 AM PDT by BfloGuy
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; Prokopton
There is something missing from the article and the comments.

Real ID. Conn has produced a Real ID compliant drivers license.

Real ID came out of the 9/11 commission, then out of Congress in 2005, without too much controversy

But gradually, opposition grew until, as the article points out 20 states were opposed.

Then it came to a head in 2007 with the immigration reform legislation. Real ID linked to employee verification linked to a data base created by merging the DHS, SS, and IRS databases.

That all subsided in Dec 2007 when they said Real ID was going to be "delayed"....................

27 posted on 05/22/2011 7:09:49 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Prokopton

Has FR stopped accepting checks?


28 posted on 05/22/2011 7:49:53 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: B4Ranch
Has FR stopped accepting checks?

No, its right on the link that says pay with Paypal, check or CREDIT CARD.

29 posted on 05/22/2011 7:05:24 PM PDT by Prokopton
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