[sickoflibs]

So they all take a suicide pack to vote for this bill, then afterward some of the more naive ones realize that this is not as popular as they (apparently) thought it would be . But now they have to live with a vote on a bill that they knew they couldnt get signed into law, especially since its a non-binding resolution.

I saw a Republican house member on Hardball yesterday defending the proposal, he said exact words :” No one over 55 will be affected by it”. So you got a medicare reform deficit reduction bill where only those over 65 get medicare, but he says no-one over 55 will be affected by the bill. Think that will work?

Then you got the defenders like the one I found trying to make the argument that it will help those over 55 not hurt them. They argue that the future senior (potential Republican voter) will be better off even if he has a stroke without a lot of money , and is (hypothetically) thrown out into the street to die, because Obama has such diabolically evil plans for seniors with his deficit reduction medicare death panels that it(not passing this into law) would be much much worse for them. But dont worry, no-one over 55 is affected by the plan so support it if you are in that lucky/unlucky group.

This appears to be their argument, meanwhile Boehner is cooking up a deal with Obama that they have leaked involves medicare. How ya think that will sell?

One thing about Pelosi, she never forced unpopular suicide votes on her members until her party took both the WH and both houses of congress and could get big things passed into law, as she did. What if she made them all vote for Obama-care in mid 2007?

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

So you got a medicare reform deficit reduction bill where only those over 65 get medicare, but he says no-one over 55 will be affected by the bill. Think that will work?

You wrote "he says...." but it is true that those over 55 would stay on the old plan (according to this bill that will not become law). I'm not sure whether you meant:

1) that he was incorrect, or

2) that what he said was true, but that it's a preposterous argument because the Ryan Plan is unacceptable.

In my opinion, chances are slim to none of any fiscally responsible entitlement reform becoming law in the next couple of years, although they might pass something that claims to be such. And politicians who propose entitlement reform are a great risk of giving their opponents a terrible political weapon (that's why Obama's COMMISSION ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND REFORM used retired politicians like Simpson).

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

One thing about Pelosi, she never forced unpopular suicide votes on her members until her party took both the WH and both houses of congress and could get big things passed into law, as she did. What if she made them all vote for Obama-care in mid 2007?

Let me think..... It would be like Boehner in 2011?