Libertarians have for more in common with conservatives than with liberals, but we do have to remember that just because someone is a Libertarian it does not make them conservative by default. For that matter there are a lot of so-called conservatives that don't believe in the Constitution either.
“For that matter there are a lot of so-called conservatives that don’t believe in the Constitution either. “
QFT
Bravo for that.
Libertarians as a whole, and that is almost all of them who I’ve encountered on FR, are simply relabeled liberals.
They push the liberal agenda of pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, pro-prostitution; pro-porn; no moral restraints whatsoever.
What they want is limited government with no moral restraints whatsoever.
Anyone who is for limited government is not by default libertarian, which the libertarians would like everyone to believe. Those who support limited government with a strong moral system, even with laws such as existed in the days of the Founding Fathers, are conservatives, not libertarians.
Abortion is murder, plain and simple. There should always be laws against murder, established and enforced BY the government. Libertarian mentality and philosophy as it stands today WILL lead to anarchy with a breakdown of society. People will then demand order from someone, anyone, and accept even a tyrannical government that will restore order.
Then we will be worse off than before.
Our system of government will not work without a moral people. Give up the morals as libertarians want, and anarchy WILL result.
No country, no government, no society—and no individual—may claim the authority to divorce personal morality from government. While individual human beings each possesses free will to choose right from wrong, yet none may ever claim a “right” to choose wrong, no matter the circumstance, and yet this gross distortion of liberty is the central premise behind the libertarian movement.
Morality and civics are inseparable. Both are requisite aspects of the temporal order, as ordained by Divine authority. Each requires the other in cooperation and spirited participation; else chaos and societal collapse prevail. Human society is only as good as the individuals that form its lesser parts. If in any culture the individual actors are morally corrupt, then those faults will begin to overshadow, and eventually seduce the society as a whole. Under such conditions the government of that society must fall, for it is no more than a composite of the individual parts.
However, this logic is banished from the libertarian mind, and in its place is a false conservatism that seeks to “conserve” only that which opposes authority and elevates the individual to his own godhood—‘I shall not serve!” roared Lucifer—and the cry is no less revolutionary from the mouths of the libertines, particularly those who have invaded the conservative movement.
Libertarian-inclined groups have implemented a systematic coup of grassroots conservatism, such as the Tea Party movement. One of the more well-known organizations—Tea Party Patriots—have condoned and promoted indifference towards those moral principles fundamental to the Constitution and within the greater conservative movement.
TPP leadership, acting in union with members of its lesser hierarchy, sought to foment resistance against objective cultural norms of behavior. Leaders within the organization went so far as to state that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution were not influenced by Christian doctrine.
The perverse rationale now used to poison the Tea Party movement is that moral imperatives must be subordinate to fiscal concerns; however, this reasoning is diametrically opposite to the truth: objective morality is necessary to right any magnitude of fiscal chaos: Social defects create financial defects.
Prudence and regard for the right order of human society demand that we not ignore the divinely ordained restraints on personal and public behavior. History proves the root cause of national distress is always moral bankruptcy of the culture. Without exception, moral depravity precipitates financial collapse, and therefore objective norms of morality must always take precedence in civil deliberations, no matter their context. Astute men of history consistently teach this axiom:
“But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.” –Edmund Burke
“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.” –Alexis de Tocqueville
“The fool who has not sense to discriminate between what is good and what is bad is well nigh as dangerous as the man who does discriminate and yet chooses the bad.” –Theodore Roosevelt
A Catholic attorney correctly summarized the failings of the libertarian philosophy thus:
“Libertarianism has to do with maximum individual freedom, without restraint or limitation. The libertarian principle is thus antithetical to the concept of morality. This is not to say that individual libertarians are not moral people; but they are moral people only insofar as they are acting inconsistently with libertarianism. They are good folks because they are bad libertarians.
Edmund Burke understood quite that liberty – not license, but true liberty – was connected to moral order, to the linking of people together by the bonds of custom, tradition, religion, fellow-feeling and virtue. Absent those qualities, individuals are incapable of governing themselves and the state must rise to provide order and security for the populace.
Burke’s point is that morality – embraced by the individual but also reflected in the public institutions and laws of a given culture – must have a role in the public square, otherwise tyranny will lurk at the door until an opening arises. Libertarianism makes this situation more likely, not less. Rather than being a guard against tyranny, libertarianism makes the collapse of freedom more likely, not less, by replacing liberty with license and eroding the connections between people that are essential for both personal and private morality.
In this, libertarianism shows forth its origins as an ideological movement, grounded not in the preservation of rights and duties traditionally understood, but rather the dogmatic erosion of civic community and social order necessary for the concepts of rights and duties to exist within the interactions of human beings with each other.
The entire idea of libertarianism is self-refuting. Again, this is not to say that individual libertarians are incapable of virtue or devoid of moral conduct. It is to say that insofar as they are virtuous and moral, it is because they are not really libertarians.”
http://markinspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/libertarianism-and-erosion-of-civic.html
(End Catholic citation.)
So, when any national movement, whether in its general platform or through lesser hierarchy, chooses to shun transcendent moral imperatives in favor of “fiscal conservatism,” then you have the briny gutter wash of libertarianism rolling across the land. If it is not immediately confronted and routed, then it will inevitably poison the well.
Time-tested principles of objective reality are not open to subjective criticism. The irony of the “patriot” group that follows this course is that to abandon moral principles for political necessity will only work to embolden those individuals whose bad actions would precipitate further fiscal disruptions!
So, for reason of an uncertain numerical advantage, which some politicos assert will restore our “republican virtue” of “free market” capitalism, we conservatives are asked to remain complacent to the further subversion of America’s cultural mores—limits that constitute the requisite for ordered liberty—and thus prosperity. How then shall our markets be “free,” if they are premised to operate without a public bulwark of moral restraint? By such rationale slavery and human trafficking must have free reign, for they might serve some sector of the “market.”
In the final measure the moral severance advanced by libertarians, while calculated to gain tactical advantage over those who desire our enslavement, will prove to impose further bondage on American society; because such severance fails to recognize and uphold the immutable laws prescribed by the Divine author of all human society. In effect, libertarianism would kill the moral spirit that the body may live in greater prosperity; but without the animating moral spirit, the body dies ... and no amount of “free market” capitalism will resurrect it from the grave.
The failure of any allegedly conservative and patriotic organization to uphold objective moral principle, pretending some higher goal commands greater loyalty, is intellectually dishonest at best. A fatal flaw in discernment exists at some level of the leadership—and this error, unchallenged and unchecked, will affect a pernicious influence upon the conservative movement in general. Repeated efforts must therefore be undertaken by we who recognize the flaw of moral severance, so to teach and guide those deceived by vain men; for we understand that true liberty requires a moral foundation to be prosperous.