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To: hellbender

The sarcasm tag isn’t necessary.

I was reading an author and I cannot recall who it was, but he made the case for ethnic cleansing as a ‘good’. That is not as something morally or objectively good, but that people want to live with people like them. This is natural.

Ethnic cleansing creates peace in the sense that like peoples want to live together. There is violence, upheaval and loss, but ideally he argued that we should allow as peaceful a transition of people by identity (ethnic or otherwise) to avoid even more bloodshed in the future.

If you look at religious or ethnic violence throughout the world and across history you’ll see this idea bearing out. His view is that peace comes post cleansing (mass migrations/expulsions included not just murder/violence).

I’m not endorsing that view or even rationalizing it, but at some point there are people you just don’t want to live around. Is the Pax Americana extant simply because our enemies are war weary?


9 posted on 05/30/2011 4:40:17 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

A peaceful transition...that would be like when the Turks invaded the Pelopennesian Peninsula, right? I think the other name for “ethnic cleansing” is invasion, lebensraum, genocide, etc.

There’s no case whatsoever to be made for “ethnic cleansing.” The only time space sharing among groups becomes impossible is when one of them decides it wants the whole pie. This is something that is built into Islam, unfortunately.

And it is something that other groups do when they have a nutty leader such as Hitler.

Most groups react by keeping more to themselves if they don’t wish to associate with anyone different. Jews, for example, have often lived in self-enclosed communities, such as parts of Brooklyn, not only because of persecution, but because this enables them to live under their particular law and customs.

Sometimes the group that is the victim (remember the Balkans!) will then try to expel the aggressive invader, but that’s more self-defense than “cleansing.”


14 posted on 05/30/2011 4:57:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: 1010RD

Ethnic cleansing just needs a good PR campaign and an uplifting slogan like “Arab Spring.”


40 posted on 05/30/2011 11:43:24 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: 1010RD

That is exactly why, post WWII, there were huge shifts of people migrating to areas where they would be safer.

Pakistan and India are one of the most outstanding examples. Israel is another, where Jewish refugees from all over the globe were welcomed.

The problem in the Middle East is that Saudi Arabia sabotaged completion of the Arab migration. Nearly a million Jews migrated to Israel from their former Muslim-dominated countries (where they were NEVER acknowledged as citizens). Muslims who left the new nation of Israel were not allowed to assimilate into any Muslim nation by the Arab League, under pressure by the King of Saudi Arabia.

Right now, genocide of white and colored South Africans is occurring. I would like to see those folks allowed to immigrate here to North America. They speak English, are by and large well educated, even highly skilled, and understand representational government.

This really isn’t ethnic cleansing, though. In the U.S.A., we are united under a Constitution guaranteeing our rights. That unites us as a nation, and as long a we continue to live by that document’s purpose, ethnic cleansing here does not exist.


41 posted on 05/30/2011 1:05:48 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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