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To: kabar; DariusBane; EternalVigilance
And all you dishonest employers who hire illegal aliens that are subsidized by the US taxpayers should be prosecuted fully by the law.

And there it is, the presumption of guilt. To quote myself:

Aristotle, in the Nichomachean Ethics, elaborated on the question of ends and means with an answer so clear and simple, it is a wonder that “ends justification” was ever mentioned again. He wrote (this is condensed out of a couple of paragraphs), ‘No person selects an end unless it is a means to something else. There are no “Ends.” There are only means.’

This is a classic case of a perfectly laudable "end" (deporting illegals), used to justify an abominable means. The "means" you would employ is to empower the Federal government to have its trembling hand on a national registry with the power to deny employment. No founder of this nation would have ever tolerated such a power, but especially when it is totally unnecessary.

If you think for a minute that within the Federal government such databases are not abused, I have bad news for you, as anybody familiar with Firearms Inquiry Statistical Tracking (FIST) will tell you (item "D" about a third of the way down the page).

55 posted on 06/04/2011 9:15:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (If term limits really worked, California would have a responsible legislature.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Since when is enforcing our laws a question of ends and means? I don't know how many times I have to say it, but E-Verify is just an instrument that uses existing databases to ascertain whether a new hire is providing valid information in their job application, i.e., a valid SSN that is associated with the name of the employee.

When a cop stops someone for a traffic violation, they ask for a driver's licence. They also check the license number with a database to see if the car is stolen. Checking to see if a new hire has a valid SS is not any violation of civil liberties any more than checking if you have a passport or a ticket to get on a plane. If we don't get immigration, legal and illegal, under control, you won't have a country any more. We will lose it thru the ballot box and a bankrupt economy.

Are you on SS? If not, wait until you have to apply to get your benefits.

59 posted on 06/04/2011 9:35:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Carry_Okie
No founder of this nation would have ever tolerated such a power

Bears repeating.

60 posted on 06/04/2011 9:36:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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