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To: scripter
I think there are two types of homosexuals; biological and imprinted.

A small percentage of homosexuals are biologically gay due to hormonal imbalances in the womb. Rats can be made homosexual by putting the mother in extreme stress during pregnancy, for instance.

Imprinted homosexuals are those whose first sexual experiences were homosexual. The vast majority of homosexuals are this way.

5 posted on 06/05/2011 7:53:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A small percentage of homosexuals are biologically gay due to hormonal imbalances in the womb.

I've heard that quite a few times but have never seen any science to support it. That is, I haven't read any study that hormonal imbalances are causal to same-sex attraction.

10 posted on 06/05/2011 8:01:49 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Good point.

One fact: homosexuals cannot procreate. This means, if it is a genetic trait, it will have faded away into nonexistence... if you believe in natural selection which most Liberal/progressives do.

11 posted on 06/05/2011 8:02:17 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I think there are two types of homosexuals; biological and imprinted.
A small percentage of homosexuals are biologically gay due to hormonal imbalances in the womb. Rats can be made homosexual by putting the mother in extreme stress during pregnancy, for instance.

Imprinted homosexuals are those whose first sexual experiences were homosexual. The vast majority of homosexuals are this way. “

I believe you are correct except in your ratio. Very very few homosexuals are really imprinted. Speak to the many members of SNAP, adults who were raped as kids by clergy, teachers, and other authorities. Even men who were raped for years as boys see themselves as heterosexual, but of course they have often lifelong sexual issues. It didn’t make them gay.

Most gay men did have their first sex experience with a man or other boy. Because that’s whom they were attracted to. Not the other way around. Picture a woman to whom you could never be attracted. Somehow you are young and innocent, maybe drunk, and she takes advantage of you. You would still not seek her out thereafter. Abuse doesn’t turn you gay (though it can ruin your life) or change what appeals to you.

And you are right about the influences in the womb. I am always wishing Freepers would understand the influences there, because many differences in the prenatal environment cause sexual development problems. Most homosexuality is a birth defect. Not genetic coming through genes, but epigenetic, influenced upon the growing person by differences in the womb during the week when sexual parts and brain connections are being wired.

Many animals are born with sex behavior differences due to pollution, especially the soft bodied creatures. Who do we think we are, that all the plastics and neurotoxins in our bodies would never affect our unborn? Other birth defects happen in the same way.


21 posted on 06/05/2011 8:24:41 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Maternal stress:

In rats, researchers have found a link between maternal stress and demasculinizing effects in the sexual behaviour of male offspring.

The mother’s stress leads to a delayed testosterone surge in male rats. An East German researcher, Dorner, claimed to have found a similar stress effect in humans during the Second World War. If mothers underwent a lot of stress, he found no heterosexuality in their young offspring,25%bisexuality, and 35%homosexuality.
The remainder were too young to know what their preferences
were.
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These were spectacular results, but the study appears to be
maverick. Other studies on rats could not find the effect, and stress in human mothers delays the testosterone surge much less markedly than in rats. Dorner has also been criticized for not interviewing the mothers.
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Three other studies on humans did not
find any effect.
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A later and more sophisticated study, although it
found no correlations with stress for boys, did find an unsurprising relatively strong correlation between homosexual fantasy and childhood gender non-conformity
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(see Chapter Three). Curiously,
in this study, there was a moderate correlation for girls between maternal stress and lesbianism, which made no sense to the authors. Girls are not exposed to a pre-natal testosterone surge, so a delayed surge makes no sense in this context.

The latest and biggest survey 31 basically concludes that
there is a small weak effect for boys and a more significant effect for girls. A similar survey for the stressful effects of an historic Dutch famine could find no effects.
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In no case can the effects be described as overwhelming, which is why it has been so hard to establish. It is another minor factor in the development of homosexuality for a few people.

http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch7.pdf


26 posted on 06/05/2011 8:35:17 AM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I think there are two types of homosexuals; biological and imprinted.”

I think so too. I venture that only 5% are “born that way” and the rest are either mentally ill or imprinted.

Which ever way you look at it, they are an anomaly.

They are also human beings and should not be harassed or mistreated


39 posted on 06/05/2011 8:51:54 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint 2012! or Herman Cain 2012!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I saw a really interesting episode of a news magazine show, can’t remember if it was was Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours....at an rate it was about a this forensic psychiatrist that spent his life’s work studying the brains of serial killers, and he found that there was a physcial difference in the brains of these people. Cat scans compared to a normal human brain showed that the frontal lobe of this men had significantly reduced activity. Which makes sense, given that the frontal lobe is believed to regulate impulsiveness.

In all the years of his studying cat scans, he had never had one himself. One day on a lark, he decided to due a scan of his own brain...and found that his brain looked like the brains he had been studying all these years, he had significantly reduced neural activity in the frontal lobe. This guy was happily married, had kids, lots of friends and was described by all as being a loving father and husband who NEVER exhibited a temper.

His conclusion was that he was lucky that he had grown up in a stable home, with a loving mother and father. While he may have been physically more pre-disposed to violence and anger, his nurturing environment had directed him to become the successful man that he was. If, however, he had grown up in a physically, sexually, or emotionally abusive environment, he had to live with the conclusion that he would have been a very different person.

I believe that homosexuality may be like this. You might have certain physical attributes that might predispose someone to same sex attraction if they are introduced to the right cocktail of stresses or abuse. I have an aunt that is a lesbian, and her journey started with sexual abuse by an uncle, stays in the state mental hospital, a forced marriage to an abusive man....it goes on and on. She has led a difficult. I can’t help but think her life would have been drastically different has she not suffered as she did.


76 posted on 06/06/2011 8:57:46 AM PDT by Juana la Loca
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I completely agree. I have always believed that some were in fact “born gay”, and others who were affected by certain circumstances or their environment.
87 posted on 06/12/2011 4:18:36 PM PDT by kara37
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