Posted on 06/05/2011 1:10:31 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich
How many times have we seen the following MO?
Republicans at election time offering some token words to the voting base. What happens? They turn around and kick us in the mouth.
I'll list some things (that I can think of) that I refuse to do.
I'm not going to play along with the tired canard which states that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
That situation does not exist anymore. We now have a chance to vote a for candidate who is the right choice. We can vote for Sarah or the Democratic/ Republican bedfellows.
I'm tired of walking out of the voting booth feeling like I need a three day shower. You said this:
The Republicrat oligarchy absolutely MUST be defeated.
Oligarchy. That's exactly what the situation is.
Again, Sarah Palin is not a third party participant. It's an outright lie. What is most sickening is that the Republicans are actively undermining her. I find this to be unforgiveable; it only convinces me that I am making the right choice. Which brings me to the next point.
Sarah Palin is not 'unelectable.' Who is pushing this idea? Yeah you guessed it. The mainstream media and their new buddies, the RINO Party.
Sarah Palin is not the third party outsider. Which carries with it the notion that she is a fringe candidate. More lies. Sarah Palin understands that the Constitution isn't a piece of toilet paper. Fringe? Yeah, right. The fringies are those who are swinging ever so left.
What about Palin/Ryan?
I see it differently. The Democrat Party has a decision to make. I won’t go into the reasons. They are so obvious and plain to see. Obama is not of this nation, no matter how you slice it. I could care less about his birth certificate, etc. I mean the heart of the man. He is both un-American and anti-American at the same time and the American people and voters are grasping that reality more and more with each passing day. The Dem leadership would be wise to force Obama to resign or impeach him. Obama is toast, no matter how you slice it. I don’t care what his media Obamabots say or do. Hillary is burned out, toast, fried!!! Biden is the dumbest human being on the face of the earth. I have no idea who the the Dems would run, but running Obama would be a death knell for both Obama and the entire Democrat Party. I was dead on about the results of 2010 Mid-Terms, starting with the same reasoning in April of 2009. That’s my take!!!
About the end of August, our RNC still hasn’t come to its senses and it is clear RNC won’t pick Palin, and, her statements to the press make it increasingly clear she’ll be a third part.
Bear with me for a moment. I don’t like repeat myself on threads but consider this:
There is a serious attempt to paint Sarah Palin as a Third Party candidate. Perhaps you have read articles concerning this. I will submit the following:
Romney has outrageously crowned himself THE choice. I use that term because on another article, a statement was issued that actually demanded from Sarah that she needs to make a statement that she would not run for the presidency.
The word demanded is not of my creation. It was used by detractors.
Stay with me for a moment as I address the Third Party issue. We do not have a two party system in America. It is a one party system at the present time. Why do I say this? Simply because the two are identical. The only difference is that they wave two different flags.
Sarah Palin is not a third party candidate under these conditions. She has become the only legitimate second party of an illusionary two party system.
It is an outrage that it was demanded that she needs to state that she will not run. Who do these RINOs think they are?
I know what they think they are. They display utter disdain and contempt for those who have voted for them in the past. ‘Moderate’ is a code word which means that they will pander to leftists.
So this time around, there is no ‘political hostage taking’ that demands that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
We have a two party system. It’s a choice between Sarah Palin or an illusion that the Republicans and Democrats are different with respect to ideology.
Two parties. Palin or the the arrogant DemiPublic party.
Have already thot this, but I think it will be around July 2012. By then, it will become clear that he can't win, and he'll resign, and she will step in ala New Jersey senator's race a few years back.
She will win, too.
I don’t see Billary changing parties but I think Palin is lining up candidates for the 3rd party she’s been advocating.
I see it differently. The Democrat Party has a decision to make. I won’t go into the reasons. They are so obvious and plain to see. Obama is not of this nation, no matter how you slice it. I could care less about his birth certificate, etc. I mean the heart of the man. He is both un-American and anti-American at the same time and the American people and voters are grasping that reality more and more with each passing day. The Dem leadership would be wise to force Obama to resign or impeach him. Obama is toast, no matter how you slice it. I don’t care what his media Obamabots say or do. Hillary is burned out, toast, fried!!! Biden is the dumbest human being on the face of the earth. I have no idea who the the Dems would run, but running Obama would be a death knell for both Obama and the entire Democrat Party. I was dead on about the results of 2010 Mid-Terms, starting with the same reasoning in April of 2009. That’s my take!!!
Hopefully my grammar and spelling and punctuation satisfies those holier than though here in Freep land.
West comes up all the time on FR. You need to visit more. LOL
I think that there was a little miscommunication. I was not being critical towards you, quite the opposite.
I simply wanted a rational discussion.
I know that. I think we got our wires crossed up.
Very true. And lets not forget that most of the most damaging leaks against Ojackwagon have come from... guess who?
She’s been out to ruin him from the start (and its probably the only time Ive ever supported a clinton *spit*)
As for Palin: With the media, the RNC, and a “reverse Op Chaos” against her, Im not sure she can win; its a hell of a battle she’s fighting. No shame in admitting it [i]might[/i] be too much for anyone to pull off. Im hoping she can, but this wont be easy.
Interesting post from (C4P....”Technopeasant”)
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I posted on this topic earlier but let me elaborate. Two keys events happened in early May 2011 which might have changed the course of American history.
On May 1, 2011, five weeks ago, the news came down late on Sunday evening that Osama Bin Laden had been killed. Once it was officially confirmed a few days later, President Obama’s overall job approval number soared and as well as his foreign affairs rating. His people knew that Obama’s job approval on his handling of the economy, the budget deficit, fiscal and monetary policy would not immediately follow suit but I think anticipated his domestic poll numbers would show signs of moving out of the doldrums by the end of May, feeling that the American people would be caught up in the euphoria of the BL killing to at least suspend their anger or antagonism towards Obama on what the media refers to as “pocketbook issues”. In turn this would give another “rocket” boost to his overall approval number and in turn his re-elect number and take Obama into the mid 50’s range in approval and in the high 40’s in his re-elect number from which he could then leverage over the course of the next 17 months to gain another 2-3 % in his re-elect number to sail to re-election.
About two weeks later, on May 14, 2011, Mike Huckabee, who had told the world about 3 and 1/2 months before he would NOT be announcing his presidential plans until the “latter part” of summer, apparently had a change of heart or mind and decided to move up his timetable and tell the world his plans. Prior to his announcement, most polls had shown Huck to be first or second in national polls and first or second in most state polls with most pundits predicting if Huckabee did run that he would be a serious player in the 2012 GOP presidential race. Catching some political watchers off-guard (not myself or most people at C4P due to firelight’s inside information) despite the highly favorable poll numbers, Mike Huckabee bowed out of the 2012 race throwing the race into temporary chaos and the status of each candidate into complete discombobulation or into a state of acute uncertainty.
I need not bore you again with the difference in poll numbers released by PPP on May 10th with Huckabee in the race vs the June 2 national poll with Huck no longer in the mix except to say that there was merit in the extensive political anxiety or uneasiness brought about by Huckabee’s departure as many candidates saw their poll numbers either increase exponentially or decrease dramatically over a period of just 3 weeks.
Now let’s merge these two events together and here is what I think happened. Sometime around the week of May 15-21, I believe the Obama war room (OWR) and even maybe with Obama himself present huddled together to brainstorm certain possibilities regarding the significance of both events and one of those scenarios they looked at but hoped would not unfold was Obama’s poll numbers stagnating after his initial boost in fortune from the BL killing and not getting the secondary boost from voters feeling more kindly towards him on the economy and at the same time Sarah Palin getting a major boost in GOP primary support due to Huckabee leaving the race.
One thing you have to remember PPP was not the first poll post-Huckabee to show Palin surging and being virtually within thhe margin of error tied with Romney or at least securely entrenched in second place in the horse race. So the Obama war room most likely had a general idea of what was happening in the GOP presidential race (Romney losing conservative support and Palin gaining among conservatives especially among those self-identifying as VERY CONSERVATIVE). And once the OWR realized the above, that Obama’s approval number had plateaued in the high 40’s with his re-elect number still being no better than 45% and Palin finally beginning to hit her stride despite not having thrown her hat into the ring yet, I believe they decided to perhaps contemplate changing their political strategy fundamentally towards dealing with Sarah Palin.
For the last 2+ years or even going back to the 2008 election, the Obama WH has run two parallel political strategies in their attempt to take down Sarah Palin: from the WH to virtually ignore her despite her ongoing attacks on Obama and his radical agenda (Sarah Palin in an interview with Greta Van Susteren even hinted at that when she suggested that “President Obama doesn’t know me from Adam”) and for the MSM to continually deny her the opportunity to further legitimize her political credentials and worthiness through a steady stream of smears, ridicule and vituperation. The WH even went so far as to not attack Palin in the lead-up to the 2010 midterms knowing full well she was mobilizing TP supporters, helping to get TP type candidates to win their primaries and to finally helping to maximize conservative turnout that would prove disastrous to the Democrats in both the House and the Senate as well in state houses and governor races nationwide. And because of that, the MSM was largely ineffective in their attempts to diminish Palin in the eyes of conservatives and Republicans. In other words was the WH so obsessed with not giving Palin any window of opportunity to further enhance her political status to protect Obama’s re-election bid that they were willing to throw many Democrats under the bus? I can’t prove it but the thought has definitely crossed my mind.
Now to present day. I think about two weeks ago the decision was made by the Obama WH in collusion with the “state-run media” (MSM) to put out a trial balloon to signal a change in strategy regarding Sarah Palin. And that change in strategy imho involved acknowledging that Sarah Palin could win the GOP nomination and/or beat Obama in 2012 thus further legitimizing Palin, but at the same time paving the way for a new strategy of demonization, running over the next 17 months against the newly legitimized Sarah Palin resulting in a campaign of fear, terror, disinformation and propaganda full of daily demagoguery of Palin foisted on the American people to warn the nation of the dire consequences of Sarah Palin winning the 2012 election and that if you didn’t want armaggedon to occur that they dare not risk changing horses in midstream (the 1864 Abraham Lincoln strategy) but instead embrace “the devil they did know” instead of the devil they didn’t know.
And on the broadcast last week by Andrew Sullivan proclaiming on the Chris Matthews show that Palin could beat Obama in 2012, soon to be echoed by fellow panelist Leftist Joe Klein who invoked Carter and Reagan, and then to be followed up by Howard Dean the other day suggesting that Palin could beat Obama, the Donna Brazile op-ed singing the praises of Palin’s political skills and finally Jan Crawford of CBS writing that “Sarah Palin is a seasoned executive more than qualified to be President” what you have are several trial balloons launched to ready the fear scenario once it becomes more apparent Palin will win the nomination.
But for the WH to even consider such a fundamental change in strategy so early in this election cycle suggests to me they don’t think Romney will be able to beat Palin and that the de-legitimization strategy of the past 2+ years has simply not worked to stop Palin in her tracks. Once Palin gains the nomination she will be seen as a much more serious political figure than she is now. The OWR is not stupid. Why start to demonize Palin only after she win the nomination? Instead let’s assume she will win the nomination and use the additional months to fine-tune our strategy and muster the resources necessary to “go nuclear” on Palin.
And if Romney wins, we can always pull off the shelf our Romney strategy of demonizing him to evangelicals and conservatives and hanging him with the Romneycare albatross causing a third party to arise, allowing Obama to sail the victory coming up the middle.
Bottom line: Obama, his war room and the MSM are becoming more and more convinced (especially after the first leg of the national bus tour) that Palin is going to win the GOP nomination. Don’t be fooled on who they say publicly is the most dangerous GOP candidate to Obama’s re-election bid. I certainly won’t be. Will you?
If it looks like Sarah is going to be the Republican nominee, I think Hillary will resign and challenge Obama for the Democrat nomination.
She’s getting old now and she knows that if she’s going to do it, it has to be this time. Roughly, she’s in the same position Ted Kennedy was when he challenged Jimmy Carter in 2000. Carter was horribly unpopular, his policies were a disaster, the hostage crisis had worn him to a bitter nub. Kennedy WOULD have been a better candidate, even with the baggage of Chappaquiddick.
The hidden context to Hillary’s challenge will be, “It will take another woman to beat Sarah, and since I have much more experience in government, I have a better chance of winning against her than Obama”.
My prediction, anyhow.
My thoughts run in similar vein. Dems see writing on the wall and dump BHO for HRC.
My fear is that unless Palin or Bachmann heads the GOP ticket we will lose to HRC as the election shifts from electing the first black president to electing the first woman president.
If the GOP nominee is male, the same fools who wanted to be a part of history and unknowingly voted for a socialist because he was black will want to be a part of history again and will now unknowingly vote for another socialist because she’s a woman.
The only way to prevent the historical vote going Left is to put a woman at the top of our ticket first. And. as a bonus, by doing so we would also diminish HRCs nomination a month later.
Anyway, until I see/hear more from or about West, I'll stick with what I've seen/heard from and about Cain.
Interesting post from (C4P....”Technopeasant”)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
I posted on this topic earlier but let me elaborate. Two keys events happened in early May 2011 which might have changed the course of American history.
On May 1, 2011, five weeks ago, the news came down late on Sunday evening that Osama Bin Laden had been killed. Once it was officially confirmed a few days later, President Obama’s overall job approval number soared and as well as his foreign affairs rating. His people knew that Obama’s job approval on his handling of the economy, the budget deficit, fiscal and monetary policy would not immediately follow suit but I think anticipated his domestic poll numbers would show signs of moving out of the doldrums by the end of May, feeling that the American people would be caught up in the euphoria of the BL killing to at least suspend their anger or antagonism towards Obama on what the media refers to as “pocketbook issues”. In turn this would give another “rocket” boost to his overall approval number and in turn his re-elect number and take Obama into the mid 50’s range in approval and in the high 40’s in his re-elect number from which he could then leverage over the course of the next 17 months to gain another 2-3 % in his re-elect number to sail to re-election.
About two weeks later, on May 14, 2011, Mike Huckabee, who had told the world about 3 and 1/2 months before he would NOT be announcing his presidential plans until the “latter part” of summer, apparently had a change of heart or mind and decided to move up his timetable and tell the world his plans. Prior to his announcement, most polls had shown Huck to be first or second in national polls and first or second in most state polls with most pundits predicting if Huckabee did run that he would be a serious player in the 2012 GOP presidential race. Catching some political watchers off-guard (not myself or most people at C4P due to firelight’s inside information) despite the highly favorable poll numbers, Mike Huckabee bowed out of the 2012 race throwing the race into temporary chaos and the status of each candidate into complete discombobulation or into a state of acute uncertainty.
I need not bore you again with the difference in poll numbers released by PPP on May 10th with Huckabee in the race vs the June 2 national poll with Huck no longer in the mix except to say that there was merit in the extensive political anxiety or uneasiness brought about by Huckabee’s departure as many candidates saw their poll numbers either increase exponentially or decrease dramatically over a period of just 3 weeks.
Now let’s merge these two events together and here is what I think happened. Sometime around the week of May 15-21, I believe the Obama war room (OWR) and even maybe with Obama himself present huddled together to brainstorm certain possibilities regarding the significance of both events and one of those scenarios they looked at but hoped would not unfold was Obama’s poll numbers stagnating after his initial boost in fortune from the BL killing and not getting the secondary boost from voters feeling more kindly towards him on the economy and at the same time Sarah Palin getting a major boost in GOP primary support due to Huckabee leaving the race.
One thing you have to remember PPP was not the first poll post-Huckabee to show Palin surging and being virtually within thhe margin of error tied with Romney or at least securely entrenched in second place in the horse race. So the Obama war room most likely had a general idea of what was happening in the GOP presidential race (Romney losing conservative support and Palin gaining among conservatives especially among those self-identifying as VERY CONSERVATIVE). And once the OWR realized the above, that Obama’s approval number had plateaued in the high 40’s with his re-elect number still being no better than 45% and Palin finally beginning to hit her stride despite not having thrown her hat into the ring yet, I believe they decided to perhaps contemplate changing their political strategy fundamentally towards dealing with Sarah Palin.
For the last 2+ years or even going back to the 2008 election, the Obama WH has run two parallel political strategies in their attempt to take down Sarah Palin: from the WH to virtually ignore her despite her ongoing attacks on Obama and his radical agenda (Sarah Palin in an interview with Greta Van Susteren even hinted at that when she suggested that “President Obama doesn’t know me from Adam”) and for the MSM to continually deny her the opportunity to further legitimize her political credentials and worthiness through a steady stream of smears, ridicule and vituperation. The WH even went so far as to not attack Palin in the lead-up to the 2010 midterms knowing full well she was mobilizing TP supporters, helping to get TP type candidates to win their primaries and to finally helping to maximize conservative turnout that would prove disastrous to the Democrats in both the House and the Senate as well in state houses and governor races nationwide. And because of that, the MSM was largely ineffective in their attempts to diminish Palin in the eyes of conservatives and Republicans. In other words was the WH so obsessed with not giving Palin any window of opportunity to further enhance her political status to protect Obama’s re-election bid that they were willing to throw many Democrats under the bus? I can’t prove it but the thought has definitely crossed my mind.
Now to present day. I think about two weeks ago the decision was made by the Obama WH in collusion with the “state-run media” (MSM) to put out a trial balloon to signal a change in strategy regarding Sarah Palin. And that change in strategy imho involved acknowledging that Sarah Palin could win the GOP nomination and/or beat Obama in 2012 thus further legitimizing Palin, but at the same time paving the way for a new strategy of demonization, running over the next 17 months against the newly legitimized Sarah Palin resulting in a campaign of fear, terror, disinformation and propaganda full of daily demagoguery of Palin foisted on the American people to warn the nation of the dire consequences of Sarah Palin winning the 2012 election and that if you didn’t want armaggedon to occur that they dare not risk changing horses in midstream (the 1864 Abraham Lincoln strategy) but instead embrace “the devil they did know” instead of the devil they didn’t know.
And on the broadcast last week by Andrew Sullivan proclaiming on the Chris Matthews show that Palin could beat Obama in 2012, soon to be echoed by fellow panelist Leftist Joe Klein who invoked Carter and Reagan, and then to be followed up by Howard Dean the other day suggesting that Palin could beat Obama, the Donna Brazile op-ed singing the praises of Palin’s political skills and finally Jan Crawford of CBS writing that “Sarah Palin is a seasoned executive more than qualified to be President” what you have are several trial balloons launched to ready the fear scenario once it becomes more apparent Palin will win the nomination.
But for the WH to even consider such a fundamental change in strategy so early in this election cycle suggests to me they don’t think Romney will be able to beat Palin and that the de-legitimization strategy of the past 2+ years has simply not worked to stop Palin in her tracks. Once Palin gains the nomination she will be seen as a much more serious political figure than she is now. The OWR is not stupid. Why start to demonize Palin only after she win the nomination? Instead let’s assume she will win the nomination and use the additional months to fine-tune our strategy and muster the resources necessary to “go nuclear” on Palin.
And if Romney wins, we can always pull off the shelf our Romney strategy of demonizing him to evangelicals and conservatives and hanging him with the Romneycare albatross causing a third party to arise, allowing Obama to sail the victory coming up the middle.
Bottom line: Obama, his war room and the MSM are becoming more and more convinced (especially after the first leg of the national bus tour) that Palin is going to win the GOP nomination. Don’t be fooled on who they say publicly is the most dangerous GOP candidate to Obama’s re-election bid. I certainly won’t be. Will you?
If it looks like Sarah is going to be the Republican nominee, I think Hillary will resign and challenge Obama for the Democrat nomination.
She’s getting old now and she knows that if she’s going to do it, it has to be this time. Roughly, she’s in the same position Ted Kennedy was when he challenged Jimmy Carter in 2000. Carter was horribly unpopular, his policies were a disaster, the hostage crisis had worn him to a bitter nub. Kennedy WOULD have been a better candidate, even with the baggage of Chappaquiddick.
The hidden context to Hillary’s challenge will be, “It will take another woman to beat Sarah, and since I have much more experience in government, I have a better chance of winning against her than Obama”.
My prediction, anyhow.
If Palin declares third party, NO WAY will Hillary run fourth party. She may not care for Obama, but she would never split the vote of the Democratic Party when the Republicans are doing it to themselves already.
But I don’t think Palin will run third Party. She’s too much of a GOP team player. What I think she’ll do is rally the Tea Party to stay with the GOP, continue to tweak the noses of libs, and try hard to ensure a candidate that conservatives can stand behind will win the primary. IMO.
Hillary may try one more time for President in 2016. She may also try one more time to be a Senator.
Hee hee... that IS pretty stupid
“...but I think Palin is lining up candidates for the 3rd party she’s been advocating.”
It would be foolish for Sarah to consider a 3rd party run (always losers) when the winning candidate will be from either the Republican or the Democrat Party.
Sarah, an extremely viable candidate, will stay within the murals of the Republican Party, and has made numerious statements to that effect.
People mistake her concerted effort to direct/redirect the thinking and policies/politics of the Republican Party towards it’s natural home in the Conservative wing, as a rational for her “leaving” the party to persue some sort of an independant, and ego fulfilling, 3rd party run.
The idea that Sarah is preparing some sort of an independant run at the Presidency is pure projection from people that have marginalized themselves in the morass of single issue/out of the mainstream/kook politics. Sarah fits none of the above catagories........
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