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Florida doctors defend right to discuss guns with patients
reuters ^ | June 6, 2011 | Terry Baynes

Posted on 06/06/2011 5:28:16 PM PDT by PROCON

(Reuters) - A group of Florida physicians filed a federal lawsuit on Monday seeking to overturn a new state law that limits doctors' ability to ask patients about guns in the home.

The lawsuit, filed in Miami federal court, says the new law is an unconstitutional ban on physicians' free speech and prevents them from counseling patients on firearm safety.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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Doctors have NO business, asking this question!
1 posted on 06/06/2011 5:28:19 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: marktwain; mylife

Banglist Ping!


2 posted on 06/06/2011 5:29:02 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

It has nothing to do about safety, and everything to do about control.


3 posted on 06/06/2011 5:31:15 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: PROCON

“Doctors have NO business asking this question”

Unless the doctor has to surgically remove a firearm from your butt, then he should keep his mouth shut about firearm safety. IMHO


4 posted on 06/06/2011 5:31:28 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: PROCON

effffyou Doc...

my guns are MY BUSINESS.....(unless I want to discuss them)

ps I told my Doc I would take him to my range this spring summer...he does not like going to public ranges.


5 posted on 06/06/2011 5:32:58 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: PROCON

I’d ask “Why, am I allergic to gun oil?”


6 posted on 06/06/2011 5:33:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: PROCON

I know a doctor in a nameless Southern state who will be happy to discuss guns with you, starting with his WW2 submachinegun collection.


7 posted on 06/06/2011 5:33:08 PM PDT by EricT. (Is a country that would re-elect Barrack Hussein Obama really worth saving?)
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To: momtothree
Unless the doctor has to surgically remove a firearm from your butt

I think that would hurt worse than a bullet..:=)

8 posted on 06/06/2011 5:33:46 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: EricT.

Our doctor packs at his office.


9 posted on 06/06/2011 5:34:49 PM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: EricT.
I know a doctor in a nameless Southern state who will be happy to discuss guns with you, starting with his WW2 submachinegun collection.

I discuss guns with doctors and dentists all the time. There's quite a few shooting benchrest.

10 posted on 06/06/2011 5:34:57 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: EricT.

That is a good doc...


11 posted on 06/06/2011 5:35:23 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: PROCON

Yikes, my doctor and I spent 30 minutes out of a 15 minute checkup appointment comparing our gun collections. Turns out, we have very similar tastes in handguns.


12 posted on 06/06/2011 5:37:44 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("the Internet is the predator's venue of choice today"--Anthony Weiner)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
Heh. My dermatologist was telling me just yesterday about the Sig 556 he bought, because he "likes Sigs". "Nice rifle", I told him, "But I prefer the AR15 series for the 5.56x45mm due to their widespread use and parts availability." He hadn't considered that.

It's nice to know that not all docs in the Sunshine State are buying the BS.


13 posted on 06/06/2011 5:38:08 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: PROCON

Pass a law requiring them to disclose any and all malpractice lawsuits filed against them. See how well they like that.


14 posted on 06/06/2011 5:40:33 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: PROCON
Uh huh. And the names won't EVER end up in a centralized gubmint database. Friggin’ gun grabbers...
15 posted on 06/06/2011 5:40:54 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: PROCON

I’m actually slightly - very slightly - against this law.

Why?

Because I’d want to know if my doctor was a left wing idiot. I’d change doctors immediately. So would many other patients.

Buh bye practice...


16 posted on 06/06/2011 5:42:00 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: PROCON

“I think that would hurt worse than a bullet”.

After I wrote that and posted it, I thought if a doctor had to remove a gun from your butt then maybe you did need a gun safety talk! LOL!


17 posted on 06/06/2011 5:42:16 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: PROCON

If I go to a doctor I pretty much agree that he can ask me any question he likes. He may not like my answer and I might tell him it’s none of his business and I might also fire him. That’s my right.


18 posted on 06/06/2011 5:43:49 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: PROCON

I like to point out to the good doctor that in for 2007 there were 730 accidental gun deaths in the U.S.A. For the same period there were over 98,000 accidental medical deaths. I then point out that my risk for death is 134 time greater, just sitting in his office than it would be sitting in a home with a firearm, and that I would rather discuss what he is doing to make his office safer.


19 posted on 06/06/2011 5:44:58 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: PROCON
So now invasive questions regarding a legal activity that has absolutely no bearing or relevance on the immediate health concerns of the patient is now considered constitutionally protected free speech by some lawyer.
20 posted on 06/06/2011 5:45:11 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: PROCON

Haven’t been asked such ....yet.

But my answer will be to eat shit an bark at the moon as it is none of their business as you state.


21 posted on 06/06/2011 5:45:53 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: momtothree

It was a million to one shot, doc!


22 posted on 06/06/2011 5:46:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: PROCON

If my doctor asked me questions about guns in my home, I’d tear him a new butthole big enough to shove a Marlin lever action in sideways.

Doubt he’d ask twice...


23 posted on 06/06/2011 5:50:55 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: SpaceBar

By extension of their logic, your plumber should be able to ask you who your cell phone provider is, or your dentist can ask how often you are intimate with your spouse, and it’s all constitutionally protected free speech.


24 posted on 06/06/2011 5:50:55 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: PROCON
Doctors patients have NO business, asking answering this question!
25 posted on 06/06/2011 5:52:48 PM PDT by umgud
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To: PROCON

“The law also bars practitioners from entering the information into a patient’s medical record.”

Given that patient medical records aren’t exactly private from the government, this part of the law is critical.


26 posted on 06/06/2011 5:53:00 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: PROCON

What training do doctors have on giving advice on firearms? Unless specifically trained, they risk the same kind of responsibility that people that give bad financial advice end up dealing with.

Sorry but doctors have no freaking business going down this road.


27 posted on 06/06/2011 5:53:06 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: umgud
Doctors patients have NO business, asking answering this question!

And that too!

28 posted on 06/06/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: smokingfrog

LOL!


29 posted on 06/06/2011 5:56:40 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: BCR #226

I go to a chiropractor on occasion. The last time, we’re making small talk in an exam room. Chiro looks at me funny and says “ You pack a Keltec , dontcha”?
Me: “Yup”
Chiro: “Wait right here”!
He leaves the room for a minute. Comes back with a holster in his hand...
Chiro: “Look at this Ruger I got. How do they get away with copying the Keltec like this”?

We compared pistols, magazines, finishes, bullets. We did everything but go out back to fire them...


30 posted on 06/06/2011 6:00:10 PM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: PROCON

And I reserve the right to discuss the physician’s malpractice insurance claims experience.


31 posted on 06/06/2011 6:06:32 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: PROCON

I would argue that they can ask. You don’t need to answer.

And, you certainly don’t need to patronise those who ask. Yet.


32 posted on 06/06/2011 6:07:14 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Mr Rogers

I didn’t know that! I hereby recant my previous post. I am WAY for this law!


33 posted on 06/06/2011 6:07:34 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: PROCON

You hear about this happening a lot, but I have yet to see one documented case.


34 posted on 06/06/2011 6:10:11 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: piytar

Your reason is the same reason I didn’t want the law to pass. I’d rather know up front if my doc is a lib nut.


35 posted on 06/06/2011 6:10:46 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: PROCON

Doctors should be allowed to discuss guns with their patients - if they complete an NRA training course and receive proper certification.


36 posted on 06/06/2011 6:11:00 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: PROCON

If I went to a doctor and he asked me if I owned a gun, I would say, uh, do you? Now mind your own business.


37 posted on 06/06/2011 6:11:41 PM PDT by dforest
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To: pabianice

“... I have yet to see one documented case”.

You mean of a doctor asking his patient if they own firearms?


38 posted on 06/06/2011 6:12:22 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: SpaceBar
By extension of their logic, your plumber should be able to ask you who your cell phone provider is, or your dentist can ask how often you are intimate with your spouse, and it’s all constitutionally protected free speech.

It isn't? What subjects of conversation are you comfortable with the government forbidding in your workplace?

Duh. Free speech isn't just for those we agree with. Duh.

39 posted on 06/06/2011 6:19:48 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: All

Our answers will be put into the obamacare database.

Just a “go round the constitution” way of gun registration.

You will have to pay higher premiums (health AND home)because of the “risk”.

(...and then they’ll probably make your neighbors home insurance go up because they live next to a “gun owner”, just to “stir the (gun grabbing) pot”.)


40 posted on 06/06/2011 6:21:14 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: PROCON

I have read that people have tried to smuggle guns into prisons that way.


41 posted on 06/06/2011 6:24:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have read that people have tried to smuggle guns into prisons that way.

Hmm, there have been a lot of posts here, which way?

Up his arse or from a doctor?

42 posted on 06/06/2011 6:28:49 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: musicman

And anyone who refuses to answer or doesn’t seem truthful will have a box checked that flags them as a potential societal malcontent that needs further scrutiny.


43 posted on 06/06/2011 6:29:34 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: PROCON
Doctors have every right to question gun ownership. There's only a problem if they're required to by the government. Otherwise, one just finds another doctor.

But, please, let's not go on a campaign to forbid them to ask about it.

44 posted on 06/06/2011 6:29:34 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Under capitalism everybody is the architect of his own fortune. -- Ludwig Von Mises)
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To: momtothree

My opinion is that if a doctor had to remove a gun from a patient butt, that patient also needed a prescription for some lessons from Miss manners, lest the patient again present with the same symptom.


45 posted on 06/06/2011 6:30:29 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

“... for some lessons from Miss Manners...”

Or run for Congress as a Democrat. There’s always that option. LOL!


46 posted on 06/06/2011 6:33:43 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: PROCON

My doctor asked me and I told him to go &^%$ himself. I guess he knew the answer.


47 posted on 06/06/2011 6:35:05 PM PDT by culpeper (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny... TJ)
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To: PROCON

“Up his arse or from a doctor?”

My bad, Procon. It has been a long day and I should have written something else. LOL!


48 posted on 06/06/2011 6:35:50 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: PROCON

I always moan aboyut the terrible accident on the lake that I had, sad all those weapons at the bottom of Lake Pen Orielle!


49 posted on 06/06/2011 6:37:12 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: culpeper

Well Mr. T , do you have firearms in your home and
what kind and number are they?

Well Dr. Y first let me ask, is your wife hot?
does she put out for patients?


50 posted on 06/06/2011 6:40:23 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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