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Why did Obama release electronic birth certificate?
WND ^ | June 06, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 06/07/2011 8:08:11 PM PDT by RobinMasters

NEW YORK – The White House's release of an electronic copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate instead of a certified paper copy raises questions in a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI filed by an international expert in scanners and document-imaging software.

Doug Vogt's complaint charges that individuals within the Hawaii Department of Health, Obama political operatives and an unidentified graphic artist worked in a multi-state conspiracy to create a fraudulent long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama.

Vogt's complaint asserts: "I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs."

He claims the long-form birth certificate the White House released April 27 as an electronic document in PDF format was forged from a composite of legitimate birth certificates obtained from the Hawaii DOH archives and manipulated to replace the original information with a fraudulent Obama birth record.

The birth certificate the White House released consists of an electronic file that when opened as a PDF file in Adobe Illustrator reveals nine different layers that corresponded to different sections of the form, including the signatures.

"I also opened up the White House PDF file in WordPad so I could see the codes and headers in the file. There I discovered the evidence for the nine layers embedded in the code," Vogt writes. "The big surprise I discovered was that the file was finished or created on April 27, 2011, and the copy I had downloaded from the White House web site was modified on April 28, 2011, at 9:58 a.m., the day after the news conference."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; corsi; eligibility; hopespringseternal; lucyhazfootball; naturalborncitizen; obama; thistimeforsure; trump; wnd
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1 posted on 06/07/2011 8:08:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

An attempt to get the monkey off his back.


2 posted on 06/07/2011 8:10:03 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin/West, unbeatable.)
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To: RobinMasters

The president is above the law; that’s the effect we’ll see here.


3 posted on 06/07/2011 8:15:57 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: RobinMasters
"The big surprise I discovered was that the file was finished or created on April 27, 2011, and the copy I had downloaded from the White House web site was modified on April 28, 2011, at 9:58 a.m., the day after the news conference."

Well isn't that interesting?

4 posted on 06/07/2011 8:17:02 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: RobinMasters

Naive:
Obama believes an obviously electronically edited document will not be detected by a “stupid” electorate.


5 posted on 06/07/2011 8:17:50 PM PDT by famousdayandyear
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To: RobinMasters

Hawaii didn’t have the original one any more for the Halfrican, it having gone to the big document shredder in the sky like his college records. So it synthesized a new one, using artwork from old ones for other people. Cheesy as hell, but why didn’t Hawaii just fess up to having to re-create it? And provide photocopies of the source material it had in order to do that?


6 posted on 06/07/2011 8:18:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: fwdude

By the time we have a Congress that’ll impeach & convict the impostor, he’ll be voted out anyhow.


7 posted on 06/07/2011 8:19:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Exactly! (Assuming we have 2012 national elections)


8 posted on 06/07/2011 8:24:22 PM PDT by famousdayandyear
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To: famousdayandyear

“Obama believes an obviously electronically edited document will not be detected by a “stupid” electorate.”

Yes, that, and he trusts the media to support The Official Reality he is demanding.


9 posted on 06/07/2011 8:25:07 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: RobinMasters
As of this writing, the Obama birth certificate placed on the White House website can still be viewed, but it's no longer available for download.

I like many others have the orignal .pdf downloaded from the web on the day it was released. And that release by AP of their scan of the grayscale image without security paper imagery.

The OCR nonsense is just smoke screen. There is NO TEXT in the .pdf file. Only image files pasted together. The more they change the story, the more the lie behind it becomes clearer.

Ahhh! The Wookie dressed in the finest gowns as the band played and the Titanic went down!

10 posted on 06/07/2011 8:25:57 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’re such an optimist. In reality, he will not be impeached, and he could very well get reelected.


11 posted on 06/07/2011 8:26:11 PM PDT by giotto
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To: famousdayandyear

It sure does seem that if an opportunity fell in the Bummer’s lap to declare himself perpetual dictator, he would. The question is whether enough Federal men would go Galt at such an order to render that a vain move.


12 posted on 06/07/2011 8:26:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: giotto

If greater America are such fools as to permit that, sad to say it deserves it. 40% of potential US presidential contest voters can’t sit on the couch like they did in 2008 and expect things to be hunky dory.


13 posted on 06/07/2011 8:29:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Also, how does the military fit in the dictator scenario?


14 posted on 06/07/2011 8:30:00 PM PDT by famousdayandyear
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To: RobinMasters

I have been waiting for this to be asked. Did anyone even claim to have seen the original? Surely people didn’t think that Hawaii sent the POTUS a PDF file.


15 posted on 06/07/2011 8:34:49 PM PDT by andyk (Interstate <> Intrastate)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I believe the name for the hospital on the form is the giveaway. I don’t think any hospital had that name before 1978.


16 posted on 06/07/2011 8:35:58 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Texas Fossil

Is it possible you might post those? I sure would like to see them again. I understand that on day 2 they put up a different copy. True? WTF, how stupid can we be as a Nation? Other countries have rid themselves of crooks with less eveidence then we have against this Bozo.

There is a new site that has all info for anyone interested, to organize, has addresses for all Gov idiots for faxing, email and US Postal. Check it out!
www.onenationunderfraud.com Pass it on!


17 posted on 06/07/2011 8:37:09 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: famousdayandyear

The military will support the President no matter what he says and does, at least for a time.


18 posted on 06/07/2011 8:38:17 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: RobinMasters

It’s too bad there isn’t even one set of ‘nads in all of Congress. As far as I’m concerned they might as well all just be considered accomplices to the forgery and the fraud being perpetrated on the American people.


19 posted on 06/07/2011 8:45:18 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: HiTech RedNeck
By the time we have a Congress that’ll impeach & convict the impostor, he’ll be voted out anyhow.

Impeach? What a waste of time, just drag him out in cuffs and read him his rights.

20 posted on 06/07/2011 8:51:56 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Even if impeachment is started a day before he is booted....I would love it. HE is such a piece of crud; it would be a fun spectacle for a day. Even the idea has me smiling.


21 posted on 06/07/2011 8:53:20 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: charlene4
Is it possible you might post those?

I do not have a personal website and the documents are .pdf documents. I could e-mail them if you contact me via Freep Mail. I suspect that someone else has already put them up in the original form. The one the AP created from the print handout is probably of little value as far as analysis. The internals of the AP .pdf are pretty clear who created it and what type of equipment did the scan. I have some details on the MAC system that created the .pdf with the security paper background. That was embedded in the .pdf.

22 posted on 06/07/2011 9:01:23 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: RobinMasters

The problem with all of this is that very few people have the technical prowess to understand with certainty what is real, and what is memorex.


23 posted on 06/07/2011 9:07:49 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: RobinMasters; LucyT

LucyT, don’t know if you want yet another one, but here it is just in case.


24 posted on 06/07/2011 9:10:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: RobinMasters
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a Canadian graphic artist who argued on the Fox News Channel on April 29 that the layers were a natural result of the Hawaii DOH scanning the original document while leaving OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software operative within the scanner.

How would that be possible if the Obama administration received a hard copy? This implies that they received a PDF from Hawaii, if I read him correctly.
25 posted on 06/07/2011 9:13:39 PM PDT by andyk (Interstate <> Intrastate)
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To: RobinMasters

So, if the pubbies are such p**sies to not go after the Zer0 poseur by 2012:

Does that make his 2008 election, and all the bogus laws and EO’s that he has signed and invoked as a poseur: valid; as the time of retraction may have been surpassed by the election of another President; CIC in 2012???

Critical question, as the time for attack may be now!


26 posted on 06/07/2011 9:23:26 PM PDT by Noob1999
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To: HMS Surprise
The problem with all of this is that very few people have the technical prowess to understand with certainty what is real, and what is memorex.

If what they have presented is authentic, let them produce the original, from whatever form it was copied. If it is authentic, there is no reason to keep the original hidden. If so, it would prove the electronic version correct.

27 posted on 06/07/2011 9:33:01 PM PDT by Know et al
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To: charlene4

Here is some of the internal data in the color .pdf (forgery)

endobj
27 0 obj
/Author ()
/Producer (Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext)
/Creator (Preview)
/Keywords ()
/ModDate (D:20110427120924Z00’00’)
/Title ()
/Subject ()
/CreationDate (D:20110427120924Z00’00’)
/AAPL:Keywords [()]

endobj

It indicates that it was created on a Mac OS X 10.6.7

Quartz is an internal component of the Mac OS, I am not a Mac person so I do not know how many programs can use that component.

It was created on 4-27-2011 at 12:09 :24 Z

My version does not indicate it has been revised, creation and Mod date/time are the same.

Now, what does this mean. I am not sure it means anything further than I showed. It does not necessarily mean it was forged.

The layering thing I think is smoke.

The differences in type within lines of the document to me indicates very high probability of forgery.

The fact that the .pdf is a creation containing 9 seperate images and no text content indicates to me a very high probability of forgery.

The fact that Obozo first said they sent an attorney to HI to pick up 2 copies of the document and later changed that to state they e-mailed it to them, is another case of catching them in a lie.

All in all, it is a forgery. And I do not believe there is an original COLB in HI for Obozo.....


28 posted on 06/07/2011 9:56:36 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: famousdayandyear
Also, how does the military fit in the dictator scenario?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am disgusted with our very highest military officers. Where is the evidence that they have sought certifiable evidence from congress or the courts to prove that Obama is eligible.

Gee! Silly me! When did upholding identity theft, election fraud, fraudulently collecting campaign money, and impersonating a Commander in Chief become part of the military code of honor?

29 posted on 06/07/2011 10:00:00 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: HMS Surprise

“The problem with all of this is that very few people have the technical prowess to understand with certainty what is real, and what is memorex.”

Except when they go to the beach and watch the chicks in bikinis walk by. Real and memorex are clear there.


30 posted on 06/07/2011 10:16:11 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid

I don’t disagree that it is suspicious as hell, and I’m inclined to think that this has been in the works for a long time. But... now what? I’ve said that any BC proves he can’t be President if Barack Sr. has his named attached to it.


31 posted on 06/07/2011 10:25:33 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: piytar
"I also opened up the White House PDF file in WordPad so I could see the codes and headers in the file. There I discovered the evidence for the nine layers embedded in the code," Vogt writes. "The big surprise I discovered was that the file was finished or created on April 27, 2011, and the copy I had downloaded from the White House web site was modified on April 28, 2011, at 9:58 a.m., the day after the news conference."

This seems to be something easy to verify, as to be honest, when a 'document expert' starts making claims identifying specific creation software (Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop), my BS indicator pegs. So I downloaded the copy of the long form off of the Doug Vogt website, a copy off of the White House website (yep, you can still save the document, no problem..), a turner website, the azstar website, and finally, the copy I downloaded off the first links that appeared on FreeRepublic when the story broke.

I opened each file using notepad++, a very common text editing program, and discovered something interesting. Four of the copies are formatted exactly the same, one is not. The Doug Vogt copy has a dramatically different formatting in the start and end of the file. All five files share the exact same creation timestamp string (though the Doug Vogt one somehow leaves off the time zone portion of the string following the Z), the Doug Vogt file includes a separate modified string.

So one copy is dramatically different in formatting, and includes a separate modified string. I have to speculate, as I'm being kinda lazy here and not actually testing, that Doug used the 'save as' feature on whatever PDF viewer he had and this created the modified timestamp. And in doing so, it created different formatting for the PDF file as well. The only significant change between the five files appears to be the formatting and the modified timestamp.

Anyone interested is welcome to give it a go themselves, as I said, all of this is easily available online to try out. Wordpad should work just as easily as notepad++. Did Doug Vogt find a special smoking gun version of the document? Or did he inadvertently contaminate the document he was going to examine? Or did some ubersecret conspiracy go out and make sure that all the other documents including the one on my personal computer exactly matched so I'd question Doug Vogt's methods of handling the archival of the very document he planned on examining?

32 posted on 06/07/2011 10:33:22 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

” Hawaii didn’t have the original one any more for the Halfrican, “ half/American born.


33 posted on 06/08/2011 12:29:46 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
” By the time we have a Congress that’ll impeach & convict the impostor, he’ll be voted out anyhow. “ and total economic collapse of this country because of his economic policies.
34 posted on 06/08/2011 12:32:01 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Bullish
" It’s too bad there isn’t even one set of ‘nads in all of Congress. As far as I’m concerned they might as well all just be considered accomplices to the forgery and the fraud being perpetrated on the American people. "

The out of control HYDRA BEAST hydra is feeding on it's lust for power and money, however ? the beast is more than 15 Trillion in debt and growing and that's not counting for all the unfunded liabilities ( 60 TRILLION and counting ).
I say ? let the BEAST keep eating and starve it's self, soon there will be no more money for it to feed off of or borrow from the Chinese....

Out of control Government....
Let the beast starve it's self , give it what ever it wants, it's self will starve it's self.


35 posted on 06/08/2011 12:48:12 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

They never had the “original”. He wasn’t born in Hawaii.


36 posted on 06/08/2011 1:08:12 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: RobinMasters; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; martin_fierro; ..

birfer ping


37 posted on 06/08/2011 5:34:57 AM PDT by bitt (I don’t want illegal aliens persecuted. I want them PROSECUTED)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
...why didn’t Hawaii just fess up to having to re-create it? And provide photocopies of the source material it had in order to do that?

If there's one thing that probably isn't going to happen, it's the despised birthers being proved correct after all. The ruling elites are all in on the eligibility issue and if it appears to be unraveling, Obama goes out for health reasons. They're not going down with him.

38 posted on 06/08/2011 6:40:27 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: bitt; repubmom; Hotlanta Mike; nikos1121; YellowRoseofTx; Dustbunny; Think free or die; Nepeta; ...
Ping
39 posted on 06/08/2011 7:58:47 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 867 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: HMS Surprise

All the pols are scared to touch this for fear of the proverbial “racist” charge. To them it’s the radioactive equivalent of 600 roentgens, ie certain political death.


40 posted on 06/08/2011 8:12:45 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 06/08/2011 8:21:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: secondamendmentkid

It’s not just the potential “racist” charge, fear of supposed riots, etc.

It’s because most of the Repubs are merely elitist insider professional politician DC bloodsuckers who are very little different from the Dems, and they want to continue riding the gravy train without messy disturbances.


42 posted on 06/08/2011 9:30:11 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: bitt

Puts the FBI on the spot for a few minutes. And no one in congress will touch it with a ten foot pole.


43 posted on 06/08/2011 12:27:55 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: fwdude
The president is above the law

We should remember that we have Gerald Ford to thank for that.

ML/NJ

44 posted on 06/08/2011 1:32:51 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: RobinMasters
Because it is impossible to post a physical piece of paper on the internet. Duh.

The propensity of birthers to ask asinine questions never ceases to amaze me.

45 posted on 06/08/2011 1:43:56 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: andyk
How would that be possible if the Obama administration received a hard copy?

It's called US mail. If you want it faster, there's something else called courier service. I believe he used the latter.

He did receive a hard copy, BTW, (I believe it was two, actualy), and they were shown to reporters. Someone at the Whitehouse then scanned one of these hard copies to create a pdf in order to post it online.

For some reason, the fact that it's impossible to post a physical document on the internet seems lost on most birthers.

46 posted on 06/08/2011 1:48:48 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: kingu
So one copy is dramatically different in formatting, and includes a separate modified string. I have to speculate, as I'm being kinda lazy here and not actually testing, that Doug used the 'save as' feature on whatever PDF viewer he had and this created the modified timestamp.

LOL! Good work! The stupidty of these so-called "experts" like Vogt never ceases to amaze me.

47 posted on 06/08/2011 1:51:16 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Know et al

The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF can't produce what he doesn't have.

(Just click on it for the source information.)



48 posted on 06/08/2011 1:56:01 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: kingu
There is absolutely no question that the document originally released to Obama's attorneys in HI was a
(1)copy of a
(2)digitally created abstract, created by the HIDOH. HIDOH said so. The WH said so.
(3)Then the WH copied that for release
(4)They merely allowed everyone to assume that what they released was a
(4) certified copy of an original document.

There is nothing wrong with an abstract, if everyone in, e.g. a real estate transaction, agrees to it. The problem is, one never knows if everything one might want to know was abstracted, or whether it is accurate. A certified copy and an Abstract may serve the same purpose if everyone agrees, but, they are hardly the same thing legally. If there's a question, believe me a good attorney wants a certified copy, not the abstract. Repeat: abstracts and certified copies are two different things.

Of course digitally creating documents, and then scanning them to make copies will create layers. That's not the question, IMHBOWO. The question is, "Why the Hell would anyone bother doing all of this in this day and age?" There's a document in Hawaii you want to see? OK. Fine. You pay the fee. The clerk makes a certified copy (properly notarized, signed by the right people, etc.) and Fedexes the damn thing to where you need it to go: a closing, a press conference, etc. It is done literally thousands of times a day (or was when the economy was good).

Again the question:"Why the Hell would anyone bother NOT doing this in such a clean, efficient, and legal way in this day and age?" There is no good, clean answer.

49 posted on 06/08/2011 6:11:49 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. Bit too early to start shooting.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; RobinMasters; null and void
Hawaii didn’t have the original one any more for the Halfrican, it having gone to the big document shredder in the sky like his college records. So it synthesized a new one, using artwork from old ones for other people. Cheesy as hell, but why didn’t Hawaii just fess up to having to re-create it? And provide photocopies of the source material it had in order to do that?

I'm envisioning a BO BC made out of tiny bits of magazines and newspapers, little letters pasted together to form a ransom note. Only this time, it's America that's being held hostage.

50 posted on 06/08/2011 8:43:41 PM PDT by thecodont
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