Skip to comments.Why did Obama release electronic birth certificate?
Posted on 06/07/2011 8:08:11 PM PDT by RobinMasters
NEW YORK The White House's release of an electronic copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate instead of a certified paper copy raises questions in a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI filed by an international expert in scanners and document-imaging software.
Doug Vogt's complaint charges that individuals within the Hawaii Department of Health, Obama political operatives and an unidentified graphic artist worked in a multi-state conspiracy to create a fraudulent long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama.
Vogt's complaint asserts: "I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs."
He claims the long-form birth certificate the White House released April 27 as an electronic document in PDF format was forged from a composite of legitimate birth certificates obtained from the Hawaii DOH archives and manipulated to replace the original information with a fraudulent Obama birth record.
The birth certificate the White House released consists of an electronic file that when opened as a PDF file in Adobe Illustrator reveals nine different layers that corresponded to different sections of the form, including the signatures.
"I also opened up the White House PDF file in WordPad so I could see the codes and headers in the file. There I discovered the evidence for the nine layers embedded in the code," Vogt writes. "The big surprise I discovered was that the file was finished or created on April 27, 2011, and the copy I had downloaded from the White House web site was modified on April 28, 2011, at 9:58 a.m., the day after the news conference."
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An attempt to get the monkey off his back.
The president is above the law; that’s the effect we’ll see here.
Well isn't that interesting?
Obama believes an obviously electronically edited document will not be detected by a “stupid” electorate.
Hawaii didn’t have the original one any more for the Halfrican, it having gone to the big document shredder in the sky like his college records. So it synthesized a new one, using artwork from old ones for other people. Cheesy as hell, but why didn’t Hawaii just fess up to having to re-create it? And provide photocopies of the source material it had in order to do that?
By the time we have a Congress that’ll impeach & convict the impostor, he’ll be voted out anyhow.
Exactly! (Assuming we have 2012 national elections)
“Obama believes an obviously electronically edited document will not be detected by a stupid electorate.”
Yes, that, and he trusts the media to support The Official Reality he is demanding.
I like many others have the orignal .pdf downloaded from the web on the day it was released. And that release by AP of their scan of the grayscale image without security paper imagery.
The OCR nonsense is just smoke screen. There is NO TEXT in the .pdf file. Only image files pasted together. The more they change the story, the more the lie behind it becomes clearer.
Ahhh! The Wookie dressed in the finest gowns as the band played and the Titanic went down!
You’re such an optimist. In reality, he will not be impeached, and he could very well get reelected.
It sure does seem that if an opportunity fell in the Bummer’s lap to declare himself perpetual dictator, he would. The question is whether enough Federal men would go Galt at such an order to render that a vain move.
If greater America are such fools as to permit that, sad to say it deserves it. 40% of potential US presidential contest voters can’t sit on the couch like they did in 2008 and expect things to be hunky dory.
Also, how does the military fit in the dictator scenario?
I have been waiting for this to be asked. Did anyone even claim to have seen the original? Surely people didn’t think that Hawaii sent the POTUS a PDF file.
I believe the name for the hospital on the form is the giveaway. I don’t think any hospital had that name before 1978.
Is it possible you might post those? I sure would like to see them again. I understand that on day 2 they put up a different copy. True? WTF, how stupid can we be as a Nation? Other countries have rid themselves of crooks with less eveidence then we have against this Bozo.
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The military will support the President no matter what he says and does, at least for a time.
It’s too bad there isn’t even one set of ‘nads in all of Congress. As far as I’m concerned they might as well all just be considered accomplices to the forgery and the fraud being perpetrated on the American people.
Impeach? What a waste of time, just drag him out in cuffs and read him his rights.
Even if impeachment is started a day before he is booted....I would love it. HE is such a piece of crud; it would be a fun spectacle for a day. Even the idea has me smiling.
I do not have a personal website and the documents are .pdf documents. I could e-mail them if you contact me via Freep Mail. I suspect that someone else has already put them up in the original form. The one the AP created from the print handout is probably of little value as far as analysis. The internals of the AP .pdf are pretty clear who created it and what type of equipment did the scan. I have some details on the MAC system that created the .pdf with the security paper background. That was embedded in the .pdf.
The problem with all of this is that very few people have the technical prowess to understand with certainty what is real, and what is memorex.
LucyT, don’t know if you want yet another one, but here it is just in case.
So, if the pubbies are such p**sies to not go after the Zer0 poseur by 2012:
Does that make his 2008 election, and all the bogus laws and EO’s that he has signed and invoked as a poseur: valid; as the time of retraction may have been surpassed by the election of another President; CIC in 2012???
Critical question, as the time for attack may be now!
If what they have presented is authentic, let them produce the original, from whatever form it was copied. If it is authentic, there is no reason to keep the original hidden. If so, it would prove the electronic version correct.
Here is some of the internal data in the color .pdf (forgery)
27 0 obj
/Producer (Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext)
It indicates that it was created on a Mac OS X 10.6.7
Quartz is an internal component of the Mac OS, I am not a Mac person so I do not know how many programs can use that component.
It was created on 4-27-2011 at 12:09 :24 Z
My version does not indicate it has been revised, creation and Mod date/time are the same.
Now, what does this mean. I am not sure it means anything further than I showed. It does not necessarily mean it was forged.
The layering thing I think is smoke.
The differences in type within lines of the document to me indicates very high probability of forgery.
The fact that the .pdf is a creation containing 9 seperate images and no text content indicates to me a very high probability of forgery.
The fact that Obozo first said they sent an attorney to HI to pick up 2 copies of the document and later changed that to state they e-mailed it to them, is another case of catching them in a lie.
All in all, it is a forgery. And I do not believe there is an original COLB in HI for Obozo.....
I am disgusted with our very highest military officers. Where is the evidence that they have sought certifiable evidence from congress or the courts to prove that Obama is eligible.
Gee! Silly me! When did upholding identity theft, election fraud, fraudulently collecting campaign money, and impersonating a Commander in Chief become part of the military code of honor?
“The problem with all of this is that very few people have the technical prowess to understand with certainty what is real, and what is memorex.”
Except when they go to the beach and watch the chicks in bikinis walk by. Real and memorex are clear there.
I don’t disagree that it is suspicious as hell, and I’m inclined to think that this has been in the works for a long time. But... now what? I’ve said that any BC proves he can’t be President if Barack Sr. has his named attached to it.
This seems to be something easy to verify, as to be honest, when a 'document expert' starts making claims identifying specific creation software (Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop), my BS indicator pegs. So I downloaded the copy of the long form off of the Doug Vogt website, a copy off of the White House website (yep, you can still save the document, no problem..), a turner website, the azstar website, and finally, the copy I downloaded off the first links that appeared on FreeRepublic when the story broke.
I opened each file using notepad++, a very common text editing program, and discovered something interesting. Four of the copies are formatted exactly the same, one is not. The Doug Vogt copy has a dramatically different formatting in the start and end of the file. All five files share the exact same creation timestamp string (though the Doug Vogt one somehow leaves off the time zone portion of the string following the Z), the Doug Vogt file includes a separate modified string.
So one copy is dramatically different in formatting, and includes a separate modified string. I have to speculate, as I'm being kinda lazy here and not actually testing, that Doug used the 'save as' feature on whatever PDF viewer he had and this created the modified timestamp. And in doing so, it created different formatting for the PDF file as well. The only significant change between the five files appears to be the formatting and the modified timestamp.
Anyone interested is welcome to give it a go themselves, as I said, all of this is easily available online to try out. Wordpad should work just as easily as notepad++. Did Doug Vogt find a special smoking gun version of the document? Or did he inadvertently contaminate the document he was going to examine? Or did some ubersecret conspiracy go out and make sure that all the other documents including the one on my personal computer exactly matched so I'd question Doug Vogt's methods of handling the archival of the very document he planned on examining?
” Hawaii didnt have the original one any more for the Halfrican, “ half/American born.
They never had the “original”. He wasn’t born in Hawaii.
If there's one thing that probably isn't going to happen, it's the despised birthers being proved correct after all. The ruling elites are all in on the eligibility issue and if it appears to be unraveling, Obama goes out for health reasons. They're not going down with him.
All the pols are scared to touch this for fear of the proverbial “racist” charge. To them it’s the radioactive equivalent of 600 roentgens, ie certain political death.
Thanks for the ping!
It’s not just the potential “racist” charge, fear of supposed riots, etc.
It’s because most of the Repubs are merely elitist insider professional politician DC bloodsuckers who are very little different from the Dems, and they want to continue riding the gravy train without messy disturbances.
Puts the FBI on the spot for a few minutes. And no one in congress will touch it with a ten foot pole.
We should remember that we have Gerald Ford to thank for that.
The propensity of birthers to ask asinine questions never ceases to amaze me.
It's called US mail. If you want it faster, there's something else called courier service. I believe he used the latter.
He did receive a hard copy, BTW, (I believe it was two, actualy), and they were shown to reporters. Someone at the Whitehouse then scanned one of these hard copies to create a pdf in order to post it online.
For some reason, the fact that it's impossible to post a physical document on the internet seems lost on most birthers.
LOL! Good work! The stupidty of these so-called "experts" like Vogt never ceases to amaze me.
The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF can't produce what he doesn't have.
There is nothing wrong with an abstract, if everyone in, e.g. a real estate transaction, agrees to it. The problem is, one never knows if everything one might want to know was abstracted, or whether it is accurate. A certified copy and an Abstract may serve the same purpose if everyone agrees, but, they are hardly the same thing legally. If there's a question, believe me a good attorney wants a certified copy, not the abstract. Repeat: abstracts and certified copies are two different things.
Of course digitally creating documents, and then scanning them to make copies will create layers. That's not the question, IMHBOWO. The question is, "Why the Hell would anyone bother doing all of this in this day and age?" There's a document in Hawaii you want to see? OK. Fine. You pay the fee. The clerk makes a certified copy (properly notarized, signed by the right people, etc.) and Fedexes the damn thing to where you need it to go: a closing, a press conference, etc. It is done literally thousands of times a day (or was when the economy was good).
Again the question:"Why the Hell would anyone bother NOT doing this in such a clean, efficient, and legal way in this day and age?" There is no good, clean answer.
I'm envisioning a BO BC made out of tiny bits of magazines and newspapers, little letters pasted together to form a ransom note. Only this time, it's America that's being held hostage.