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'Unpaid Student Loan' Raid Claim Refuted as Feds Target California Couple in Fraud Probe
Fox News ^ | 6-9-11 | Fox News

Posted on 06/10/2011 7:51:40 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998

A California man who initially claimed to a local television station that he was roughed up by "SWAT team" members who allegedly battered down his front door to execute a search warrant related to his estranged wife's unpaid student loans was targeted due to an ongoing probe into alleged financial aid fraud.

Local law enforcement officials have thus far not commented on the Stockton man's claim to ABC News 10/KXTV that he was grabbed by the neck and placed in handcuffs in back of a patrol car for six hours as his three children looked on during execution of the search warrant on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cops; deptofed; education; holder; holderspeople; jbts; kennethwright; oig; police; raid; stockton; stocktonswat; studentloan; swat
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Seems like quite a few bought the lying piece of filth's story along with the lying filthy media's initial version of events.

Wonder why that was?

1 posted on 06/10/2011 7:51:45 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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So SWAT teams are good to go serving search warrants for fraud? This guy was obviously armed and dangerous?

H0lder better watch his back.

2 posted on 06/10/2011 7:56:22 AM PDT by Paladin2
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lying piece of filth's

Then why wasn't he arrested? What was seized in the search?

Oh, I see, the "lying piece of filth" is the DOE SWAT team. OK, now I understand.

3 posted on 06/10/2011 7:56:25 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: freedomwarrior998

I knew that couldn’t be true...


4 posted on 06/10/2011 7:56:33 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: freedomwarrior998

It did sound a bit fishy when he said “All I want is an apology”. ;-)


5 posted on 06/10/2011 7:59:03 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: freedomwarrior998

I didn’t keep count but I think the majority of people on that thread seemed more PO’d that it was the Dept. of Education that conducted the raid rather than the fact it was over student loans. And that still seems to be the case.


6 posted on 06/10/2011 7:59:31 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Socialism works great until capitalism hits a rough spot)
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To: Fido969

There was no SWAT team genius, even the pathetic lying piece of criminal scum said “it was LIKE a SWAT team.”

The libertines simply took the side of the criminal before anything was verified.

As for what was seized, go look at the inventory sheet at the court house, it was public record. As for an arrest, in many cases, the person is not arrested on the spot. Instead, the evidence is collected and then arrest warrants are drawn at a later date.

The simple fact here is that the officers had a warrant, just as the Constitution requires. You just don’t like the fact that the Fourth Amendment doesn’t read “No searches of anyone ever.”


7 posted on 06/10/2011 8:00:26 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Maybe it was because the DoE was involved?

http://www.news10.net/news/pdf/Ed-dept-Wright-warrant-060711.pdf

Maybe it was the witness?

“One of Wright’s neighbors, a woman who identified herself only as Becky, saw the raid, which started at 6:45 a.m. and lasted until at least 10:45 a.m., she said.

“They surrounded the house; it was like a task force of SWAT team,” she told the station. “They all had guns. They dragged him out in his boxer shorts, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him.”

Maybe it was because the idea of using a SWAT team to serve a warrant for financial aid records and applications for admission to colleges seems a bit EXTREME!?!?!?!?!?

This wasn’t a hostage crisis, nor was it likely anyone was going to flush a computer down the drain.

SWAT teams should be used when there is good reason to believe the occupant will try to kill a police officer who shows up at his door with a warrant. And frankly, the idea that ANY warrant that doesn’t have an individual’s name on it justifies a SWAT team seems a bit odd to me.


8 posted on 06/10/2011 8:01:28 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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Wonder why that was?

Because it was eminently believable in light of police behavior over the last decade or so, that's why.

9 posted on 06/10/2011 8:02:16 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

A SWAT team to serve a warrant for fraud?
Couldn’t they just get a team of “Forensic Accountants” and and technical analysts to serve the warrant with a knock?


10 posted on 06/10/2011 8:03:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Paladin2

There WAS NO SWAT TEAM. The media has already retracted that story. Even the lying criminal scum qualified his words in that regard.


11 posted on 06/10/2011 8:03:51 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Mr Rogers

Again, THERE WAS NO SWAT TEAM. Notice the qualified “It was LIKE a SWAT team.”

Even the media is now reporting that there was no SWAT team at all.

You guys were had. Admit it.


12 posted on 06/10/2011 8:05:56 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Lurker
"Because it was believable. . ."

In today's world the overwhelming use of force is all too realistic. We're seeing it everywhere, so why shouldn't we be suspicious.

13 posted on 06/10/2011 8:06:13 AM PDT by mia
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To: glorgau
Why would he say “I only want an apology” if he was involved in a major fraud caper?

Sham on the suckers that are buying into the DOE vague claims and innuendo. The neighbor has verified the guys story about being dragged out - and said she saw the cops were there for four hours, which makes his claim that he was held for a long time credible.

This guy isn't acting like he has anything to hide. The DOE, though, is in sleazy CYA prosecution mode, making character slurs and trying to make it seem like this schmuck was Al Capone.

He complained to the local authorities, he took his story to the press, he hasn't been arrested or charged. The DOE and the bootlicker apologists are looking like the scummy dirt bags so far.

14 posted on 06/10/2011 8:06:28 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Little Ray

There was no SWAT Team. It was OIG for the DOE.


15 posted on 06/10/2011 8:06:28 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Or maybe it was because SWAT teams have a history that makes the accusation credible?

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

Of course, the CATO Institute is a well known leftist organization, in bed with the media...


16 posted on 06/10/2011 8:06:38 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I notice the SWAT team didn’t have a story then, did they?

Maybe YOU forgot about the continuing story of folks getting killed by over-force STUPID police action. Goes back at least to Waco.

We know unpayble, non-extinguishable student loan debt is a BIG problem and the Feds have both encouraged it’s kudzu like growth and taken over “servicing” of much of it.

We know that for strange reasons the Federal Department of EDUCATION has added SWAT forces. WTF with that, hey?

WE just put two and two together. If this wasn’t the case here—and THAT’s still not clear to me—it seems almost certain to be the case soon enough.

Especially with jakes like you defending it.


17 posted on 06/10/2011 8:07:06 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Lurker

Uh huh, “because it was believable”... In other words, it fit with the leftist/libertine “DER DURP JBTZ!!!!!” meme that is so popular among conspiracy theorists on the internet.


18 posted on 06/10/2011 8:07:36 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
Seems like quite a few bought the lying piece of filth's story along with the lying filthy media's initial version of events.

Not me.

19 posted on 06/10/2011 8:07:44 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I need more information in order to decide who is the lying piece of filth.
1. Why is a SWAT team being used, even if it was for financial aid fraud as they so stated?
2. Why did SWAT go into a nonviolent, non-hostage situation with guns drawn while there were children in the home?
3. If their intel was so rock-solid, why after 6 hours in a police car with his children, did they release the man without arrest?

See, I really don’t care what kind of “fraud” was perpetrated: not paying student loans, lying on your application, etc. The use of SWAT here (as well as with the murdered Marine in AZ) is psychological warfare against the people of this country by its government. This was a non-violent crime and should have been responded to in a non-violent manner.

They are conditioning us to accept the use of SWAT/violent forced entry as routine and expected.


20 posted on 06/10/2011 8:08:00 AM PDT by Siouxz
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To: bvw

THERE WAS NO SWAT TEAM.


21 posted on 06/10/2011 8:08:10 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

What is so hard about one officer, one warrant as the norm? We aren’t discussing a major drug operation here.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 8:08:48 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: freedomwarrior998
There was no SWAT Team. It was OIG for the DOE

So now the OIG is dragging people out of their houses in their boxer shorts at gun point, putting their knee in the back of their neck in thier front yard.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck.

23 posted on 06/10/2011 8:09:35 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Siouxz

Re: My previous post:
OK, scratch SWAT and put in heavily armed department of education officers behaving in SWAT-like manner.

Makes no difference. Wrong is wrong. Whether or not it was a quote-unquote “SWAT” team or not is a distraction. Our government is using armed goon squads to terrorize its citizens for non-violent monetary crimes.


24 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:14 AM PDT by Siouxz
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IT WAS THE NEIGHBOR WHO SAID SWAT TEAM

“”They surrounded the house; it was like a task force of SWAT team,” she told the station. “They all had guns. They dragged him out in his boxer shorts, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him.”


25 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:34 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: freedomwarrior998
alleged financial aid fraud.

It seems a bit excessive to use a SWAT
team for "alleged financial aid fraud".

It sets a dangerous precedent.

Will they shoot on sight all who litter ?


26 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:37 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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Did the door get broken down? Did the “OIG” cops carry of use anything on this raid that might be considered a special weapon? If the door was broken down, what special equipment was used to do that?

When did YOU quit your job as a carnival barker?


27 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:37 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Paladin2; thouworm

So SWAT teams are good to go serving search warrants for fraud? This guy was obviously armed and dangerous?
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it wasn’t a Police Swat team.

and while the estrange wife who wasn’t living there, when her CHILDREN were taken away in,
may have been guity of “financial aid fraud” instead of simply unpaid loans...
it still seems unworthy of a SWAT team.
(especially after the recent murder of a Marine, by Dupnik’s SWAT team).

...apparently, the Dept. of Education, has it’s OWN SWAT team.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2731950/posts?page=43#43
“ He went on to say OIG is a semi-independent branch of the U.S. Department of Education that executes warrants for criminal offenses such as student aid fraud and embezzlement of federal aid.” “


28 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:54 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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THERE WAS NO SWAT TEAM.

Kicked in the front door at 6am, dragged the guy out in his underear, and put their knee in the back of his neck in his front yeard while they seached his house.

Looks like SWAT, acts like SWAT.

I don't care what THEY call it, I'm going to call it like I see it.

29 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:58 AM PDT by Fido969
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So? Swat team for student loan fraud? GMAFB!


30 posted on 06/10/2011 8:12:07 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: freedomwarrior998

So? Swat team for student loan fraud? GMAFB!


31 posted on 06/10/2011 8:12:14 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Is the guy criminal scum because of alleged financial aid fraud???

15 cops seems a bit much. are there other allegations?


32 posted on 06/10/2011 8:12:29 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Siouxz
1. Why is a SWAT team being used, even if it was for financial aid fraud as they so stated?

There was no SWAT team.

2. Why did SWAT go into a nonviolent, non-hostage situation with guns drawn while there were children in the home?

There was no SWAT Team.

3. If their intel was so rock-solid, why after 6 hours in a police car with his children, did they release the man without arrest?

Because in many cases, an arrest after a search warrant is made later. Either because the criminal at the time agrees to cooperate or if the offense is non-violent, the officers agree that rather than letting the person sit in jail and having to make bond, they will wait and indict the person.

See, I really don’t care what kind of “fraud” was perpetrated: not paying student loans, lying on your application, etc. The use of SWAT here (as well as with the murdered Marine in AZ) is psychological warfare against the people of this country by its government. This was a non-violent crime and should have been responded to in a non-violent manner.

1. There was no SWAT Team. 2. The 'murdered' 'Marine' case in Arizona has also been shown to be an ignorant fraud, as the warrant was released showing rock solid PC of extensive criminal activity. I guess you hadn't got that memo yet. There was no SWAT team.

33 posted on 06/10/2011 8:12:34 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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Okay. Still how much force is necessary to server a warrant for papers and hard drives against an “alleged” fraudster?


34 posted on 06/10/2011 8:13:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: freedomwarrior998; bvw

“THERE WAS NO SWAT TEAM.”

Just cops acting like a SWAT team. That means:

1 - SWAT teams have a reputation for gross misuse of force, and

2 - Now ‘ordinary’ cops act like that when serving a warrant for college admissions records.

And that makes you happy? Would you be interested in changing your FR name from “freedomwarrior998” to “candyasspansywhosubmits998”?


35 posted on 06/10/2011 8:13:41 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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Were there 15 armed cops and did they bash in the door in short order?

Sounds kind of like a Police State action to me.

36 posted on 06/10/2011 8:13:46 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Oh, so we are all suppose to feel better now that it was classified as criminal? Why don’t they investigate and arrest the man the old fashion way; knock on the door and present a search warrant and then proceed to search.

Embezzlement, fraud? This amount of force should be used only when there is a violent threat to the public.

Welcome to Obamanation.


37 posted on 06/10/2011 8:14:27 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Mr Rogers
What is so hard about one officer, one warrant as the norm? We aren’t discussing a major drug operation here.

The overwhelming majority of arrest warrants are served with one or two officers knocking on a door and making a routine arrest. You just don't get the media reporting on those stories in an effort to effect 'change' and 'hope' for their criminal allies.

38 posted on 06/10/2011 8:15:09 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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OK.........lets call it, “ Dozens of armed officers with weapons drawn entering a home known to have children, to drag out a man in his underwear for a possible default on a student loan”.....not a swat team, just armed facists....


39 posted on 06/10/2011 8:15:42 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: freedomwarrior998

H0lder is the criminal.


40 posted on 06/10/2011 8:17:05 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Fido969

You didn’t see nothing, other than your ignorance. You weren’t there.

The problem is, you want to see things that aren’t there to justify your myopic worldview.


41 posted on 06/10/2011 8:17:19 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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You guys were had. Admit it.

I think you’re the one being had by the sleazy innuendo and slurs being whispered about this guy by the government thugs.

The FIRST thing the cops do when they screw up is character assassination. If this guy doesn't shut up quick, every parking ticket he ever got will be publicized by the cops to try to show he was a “scofflaw.” If any relatives have been arrested, he'll be a member of a “crime family.”

So, you jumped on this pretty quickly - which police union do you belong to?

42 posted on 06/10/2011 8:17:30 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: freedomwarrior998

What us the difference between a “SWAT team” and something that looks and acts like a SWAT team?

Lots of pro-police-state statists here on FR these days. Useful idiots.


43 posted on 06/10/2011 8:17:46 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Little Ray

However much force is necessary to execute the warrant.


44 posted on 06/10/2011 8:17:58 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Mr Rogers
SWAT teams have a reputation for gross misuse of force

Against the innocent, and against real threats a reputation for cowardice -- remember Columbine High School and the beloved hero teacher who bleed to death while those SWAT-ippities were afraid to enter.

45 posted on 06/10/2011 8:18:28 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Outlaw Woman

What if the person doesn’t open the door?


46 posted on 06/10/2011 8:18:34 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Still not sure SWAT is an appropriate vehicle for serving a warrant for a fraud case, either.


47 posted on 06/10/2011 8:18:38 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Still not sure SWAT is an appropriate vehicle for serving a warrant for a fraud case, either.


48 posted on 06/10/2011 8:18:38 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Moonman62

I know that I and others were indeed looking for alternate accounts of the story.


49 posted on 06/10/2011 8:20:08 AM PDT by bvw
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To: freedomwarrior998

“2. The ‘murdered’ ‘Marine’ case in Arizona has also been shown to be an ignorant fraud, as the warrant was released showing rock solid PC of extensive criminal activity.”

Liar.

It has been shown he was stopped in a car with friends, and there was a gun and a small amount of marijuana in the car. No charges were pressed.

It has also been shown he was asked questions once before by cops, and did not give detailed answers. No arrest was made. And the warrant was for a residence, not a person. That was why they couldn’t stop him leaving the mine where he worked, since they couldn’t get a warrant with his name on it. And this after they supposedly investigated him for over 1.5 years!

Hell, if you paid me to investigate my neighbor for 1.5 years, I’ll bet I could come up with a criminal case of some sort!

Further, the search of his house turned up two guns (I own more) and a “Border Patrol” cap, available for purchase on the local market. Wow! How much more criminal can you get than that?


50 posted on 06/10/2011 8:20:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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