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Posted on 06/10/2011 9:07:51 AM PDT by kayak42

Newt is through.

Romney has way to much baggage with Romneycare and man-made global warming.

Ten years as governor of a real state is significant.

Perry and Cain both have business experience and can explain the economy.

Perry has an immigration problem, but his stand was necessary in Texas.


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To: Charles Henrickson
Is this supposed to be news? I'd have endorsed Perry over KBH too. She endorsed McCain as well. Should I be pushing for McCain to run again?

Palin made a bunch of endorsements I don't agree with. Perry's choices of issues to lead on are of great concern to me.

Our nation is literally dying, Charles. Playing some kind of gotcha game with endorsement letters is exactly the kind of childish bullcrap that has helped to put us in this situation.

41 posted on 06/10/2011 10:07:23 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (We're stuck between Obama's policies that suck and his ineptitude that blows.)
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To: RowdyFFC
Perry has a clear record of NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE

He's not my first, second or third choice but Perry looks have a pretty economic track record:

http://www.discoverynews.org/2011/06/texas_strong_economy_boosts_pe047001.php

The economies of Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston metropolitan areas grew faster than the rest of the country in April, accounting together for 82,000 net new jobs. The numbers suggest that Texas will continue to lead the rest of the country when May employment numbers come out for metro areas. In April, the Texas gains amounted to about 45 percent of the (revised) national gain of 177,000 jobs.

Meanwhile, announced today, the whole net employment gain nationally for May was only 38,000. The stock market, banks and economists are getting worried.

Texas has been hit by the national downturn, but has bounced back better. Most of its economic indicators are positive. Oil and gas have much to do with it, of course, but so do state fiscal policies under Governor Rick Perry that contain spending and regulation and hold down taxes.

42 posted on 06/10/2011 10:07:46 AM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Steel Wolf

Post #32 makes logical sense; but don’t forget the people elected Obama, a freshman senator with a hidden past?


43 posted on 06/10/2011 10:11:11 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Grunthor
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Sitting governors always put someone with foreign policy chops (even Al Gore was talked up for having foreign policy expertise).

Bush/Cheney, Clinton/Gore, Reagan/Bush--the pattern is too strong.

44 posted on 06/10/2011 10:12:09 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows math, computers, pizza, money, hamburgers, banking, and Coca-Cola)
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To: woofie
Is there an official FR policy on immigration?

Try posting you don't believe AZ1070 was good or you are against it and find out.
45 posted on 06/10/2011 10:16:00 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Artemis Webb
And you know this how? Sounds like one man's opinion to me.

It's a matter of a few steps of logic. Perry supported the effort to force girls at age 14 to take the human papilloma virus vaccine. He reversed his decision when public uproar convinced him that a majority of the state was against it. But he demonstrated that he is perfectly happy as a matter of state policy to implement big government solutions to health issues. Ergo, Perrycare.

46 posted on 06/10/2011 10:16:17 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: kayak42

I am really concerned that WA state Republicans are supporting Romney in ways that undermine conservative Republicans, including our own Republican candidate for governor.

The GOP invited Romney to speak at our state convention last year. There’s so much going on in this state that raises concerns, none of it good.


47 posted on 06/10/2011 10:18:05 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Charles Henrickson

Hey Charles,

That was an endorsement for Governor of Texas, not for POTUS.

So far, she has not endorsed him officially for POTUS.

Get back to me when she does.


48 posted on 06/10/2011 10:18:23 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: RINOs suck

Like I said before...Texas is full of reasonable, strong, clear-thinking individuals who keep this state humming and going in the right direction. And who continually have to slap Perry up side the head and steering him in that direction.

I will of course throw a vote for Perry if he is the last candidate standing. But I would prefer to have a really strong conservative candidate who will push and LEAD to slash and burn Washington DC, instead of joining establishment republicans who helped get us here.


49 posted on 06/10/2011 10:19:12 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: SoConPubbie

“That’s all I, and any other right-thinking conservative, needs to know.”

Glad you cleared that up for me.


50 posted on 06/10/2011 10:21:29 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Charles Henrickson

Well, let’s play, WHO DID IT? It wasn’t Perry! It was a a state full of clear thinking, strong, independent, reasonable people who keep this state humming. Who IN FACT have to keep slapping Perry up side the head and steer him in the right direction! Because he has made some really SERIOUS wrong turns...

AGAIN, let’s play WHO DID IT? Sarah Palin has a clear record of LEADING those things SHE accomplished! Even when her own party was corrupt and leading in the WRONG DIRECTION!

Now, AGAIN! I want someone in Washington DC who has a clear record of LEADING and who doesn’t have to be slapped up side the head to do it!

We don’t have time to wait around for Perry to be slapped up side the head to get the lead out of his butt and solve the very disturbing problems we have in Washington DC!


51 posted on 06/10/2011 10:26:30 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: jospehm20
Glad you cleared that up for me.

Glad I could be of help.
52 posted on 06/10/2011 10:29:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I guess I should have used the /s. I know that personally, whenever I want advise on which conservative to vote for, I ask a Californian, because they do so well at electing them. /s


53 posted on 06/10/2011 10:32:41 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: perfect_rovian_storm; RowdyFFC; SoConPubbie; Artemis Webb; smoothsailing; deport; Steel Wolf; ...
Playing some kind of gotcha game with endorsement letters is exactly the kind of childish bullcrap. . . .

And that is precisly my point. Here's what I've been seeing around here lately:

"Santorum endorsed Romney and Specter. He's a RINO! We need Sarah, only Sarah!!"

"DeMint endorsed Romney. He's a RINO! We need Sarah, only Sarah!!"

"Bachmann stood next to Romney at a McCain-Palin rally once. She's a RINO! We need Sarah, only Sarah!!"

"Pawlenty said something good about Romney once. He's a RINO! We need Sarah, only Sarah!!"

It gets wearisome. But it only seems to go in one direction. Why don't these same people say:

"Palin endorsed Perry. Palin endorsed McCain. Heck, she was McCain's *running mate*! She's a RINO!! We need . . . we need . . . well, there's nobody left!"

So I'm looking at a range of possible candidates: Pawlenty, Perry, Palin, and more. All the candidates, including Palin, have their flaws. I want one that is generally conservative and that can win.

54 posted on 06/10/2011 10:33:35 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Constitutional conservative who wants to win)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Do all of the anti-Perry people know that Sarah Palin is a big supporter of his?


55 posted on 06/10/2011 10:36:55 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Your post tells me you are reasonable, so my post certainly didn't to you.

I've become interested in a potential Perry run in the past month as the speculation has intensified.

While I think Perry has impressive positive arguments he can make, it's the negatives that need to be addressed.

From what I can gather, there seems to be three major bones of contention. The Guardasil E.O., the Trans Texas Corridor, and illegal immigration.

Perry will have to be able to deflect all three with compelling explanations, because it's obvious his detracters will unload on him. The passion displayed by a number of freepers, and notably a segment of the Texas contingent, shows that to be the case.

I believe Perry would trounce Obama on the immigration issue, although he would take heat in the primary.

He could probably deflect TTC as an internal state matter than voters outside of Texas won't focus on, although he would have to be ready to state his position on imminent domain and unregulated Mexican truckers in the primary.

The Guardasil E.O. is his biggest liability, as I see it. He'd better be ready for that one. When you start messing with children's health and parental rights you better have your ducks in a row.

The opt-out feature and the 18 month delay in implementation are probably politically to his favor.

Putting aside the charges that he and his staff were joined at the hip with Merck, it could be argued that his intentions were good, but he didn't let his head catch up with his heart. Nevertheless, what he did was boneheaded, unilateral, and dangerous. Hopefully he learned from the experience and has the character to admit it.

I've no doubt left alot out, considering Perry's long history, but the three points I mention seem to be the highest flying red flags.

All said and done, and given the existing Republican field, I'm not prepared to dismiss Perry at this point. My main goal is the defeat of Obama in 2012, and I'll support the candidate who has the best chance of doing that.

56 posted on 06/10/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: jersey117

Do all of the anti-Perry people know that Sarah Palin is a big supporter of his?


Reckon Perry was miffed when Palin moved to McCain’s AZ rather than his Texas?... lol.


57 posted on 06/10/2011 10:40:40 AM PDT by deport
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To: kayak42

The Cain Train!


58 posted on 06/10/2011 10:43:11 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Charles Henrickson
No, that isn't what you are seeing. It's what you want to see and what you want to cherry-pick to make a fake argument.

Sure, some folks whine about endorsements. It's hardly the only (or even a primary) argument against these candidates.

So I'm looking at a range of possible candidates: Pawlenty, Perry, Palin, and more. All the candidates, including Palin, have their flaws. I want one that is generally conservative and that can win.

You're not going to get very far playing the 'who endorsed who' gotcha game. That's for sure. Look at records. Look a little deeper than whatever animosity you have towards supporters of a particular candidate. There's simply too much at stake to do otherwise.

59 posted on 06/10/2011 10:43:50 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (We're stuck between Obama's policies that suck and his ineptitude that blows.)
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To: Brookhaven

Bolton doesn’t thrill me, but Cain-Bolton would cover everything. :)


60 posted on 06/10/2011 10:44:09 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("Obama has put the wrong gas in the tank of our economy."-Herman Cain)
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