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NJ's 'fake farmers' like Jon Bon Jovi dodging millions in taxes
AP via Trentonian ^ | December 2010 | AP

Posted on 06/10/2011 3:58:19 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

NEPTUNE, N.J. (AP) — Spotty enforcement and an outdated state law allow thousands of landowners to pay pennies on the dollar in property taxes.

The Farmland Assessment Act of 1964, intended to preserve agriculture in New Jersey, is being used by millionaires, developers and anyone with at least five acres to slash their farmland tax bills by 98 percent.

An Asbury Park Press investigation into farmland assessment records found that landowners deemed "fake farmers" by those calling for reform are producing little more than the bare minimum — $500 — in goods to qualify for the tax breaks.

One landowner grew weeds and another forged a signature on a government document in attempts for the tax break, the Press found. A third used a cow to eat the home's front lawn for a few months and then sold the animal in the fall. Under the law, that homeowner was entitled to the tax break on his five acres.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bonjovi; libtaxdodgers; progressivism; propertytax; taxdodgers; taxes; taxevasion
Ever wonder why guys like Bon Jovi aren't conservatives?

They don't follow the rules that they set in place for us. They have their own rules.

1 posted on 06/10/2011 3:58:24 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

It’s not a tax dodge, it’s an investment.


2 posted on 06/10/2011 4:00:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

It’s not stimulus........ it’s an investment?


3 posted on 06/10/2011 4:01:25 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( The liberal media is more ideologically pure than Barack Obama)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

It’s always easier to be compassionate with other people’s money than one’s own.


4 posted on 06/10/2011 4:01:52 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Governor Christie, paging Governor Christie...


5 posted on 06/10/2011 4:02:43 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: All

what a punk...


6 posted on 06/10/2011 4:02:52 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Caller to Hannity mentioned this. He looked it up because he didn’t believe her.


7 posted on 06/10/2011 4:04:23 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: RINOs suck
It's noble and patriotic to deny the government your money.

8 posted on 06/10/2011 4:05:02 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Bruce Springsteen as well, he pays almost no real estate taxes because he employs an “organic gardener” - John Stossel did a whole show on freeloaders and brought both of these up in the show


9 posted on 06/10/2011 4:05:13 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Probably some flaming liberal wrote rules....’ya think?


10 posted on 06/10/2011 4:06:36 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

While you are walking in the a tall grass...go read ...really read the terms of a conservation easement.....


11 posted on 06/10/2011 4:08:33 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Fake farmer and a fake rocker.

He really never struck me as a rock singer. More of a pop singer. Same with Bruce.


12 posted on 06/10/2011 4:13:00 PM PDT by RickB444 (Worry about and distrust anyone who fears a lawful person owning a gun.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’ve read stories on Bono (as I’m sure many here have) and it astounds me that these libs want higher and higher taxes ‘for the rich’ but they find it perfectly OK to hide their own money away from their governments.


13 posted on 06/10/2011 4:13:27 PM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: I see my hands

Amen brother.


14 posted on 06/10/2011 4:17:30 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: PMAS

“John Stossel did a whole show on freeloaders and brought both of these up in the show”

So, if you abide by the law you’re a ‘freeloader’?


15 posted on 06/10/2011 4:18:57 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If springsteens the boss (and that’s by no means a certainty) then bon jovi is the administrative assistant.


16 posted on 06/10/2011 4:30:22 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hating *me* won't make *you* handsome, intelligent, straight, male *or* white.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Yep, it’s an Investment, by the government, ... for the children.


17 posted on 06/10/2011 4:31:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: dljordan
So, if you abide by the law you’re a ‘freeloader’?

You don't think that's possible?

Stop playng with your parents computer.

18 posted on 06/10/2011 4:34:34 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
NJ's 'fake farmers' — like Jon Bon Jovi — dodging millions in taxes

However, much greater harm is done to the public by government actually taking trillions of dollars in taxes from them by threat of force. The single greatest source of harm to the public is, not an occasional rich guy here or there, but government.
19 posted on 06/10/2011 4:37:10 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
An Asbury Park Press investigation into farmland assessment records found that landowners deemed "fake farmers" by those calling for reform are producing little more than the bare minimum — $500 — in goods to qualify for the tax breaks.

Translation:

The Asbury Park Press is calling people who actually do meet the requirements of the law to qualify for tax breaks, "fake farmers", because they are sympathetic to government taxers instead of to taxpayers.

Let's all look at the tax returns of the Asbury Park Press, their reporters, and their owners and managers, and see if we can call them names for complying with the tax laws, too.

20 posted on 06/10/2011 4:48:04 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: esoxmagnum

AC/DC front man Brian Johnson calls him out.

http://www.celebitchy.com/90417/bono_slammed_by_acdc_front_man_for_his_charity_attitude/


21 posted on 06/10/2011 5:00:50 PM PDT by GreatMan
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To: thouworm

Yep. I was listening as that caller described it.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 5:15:26 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( The liberal media is more ideologically pure than Barack Obama)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

So?

They shouldn’t pay any more taxes than the government takes.


23 posted on 06/10/2011 5:17:31 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I know a guy who did this in NJ, and it was a pretty good idea (if circumventing taxes was the purpose): bees.

I guess if you sell 5 jars of super-expensive honey to five friends, meeting the quota, then share the savings on your property taxes, everyone (except the tax man) wins...


24 posted on 06/10/2011 5:20:18 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Was glad to see you post it; I had looked and didn’t find the article.


25 posted on 06/10/2011 5:21:30 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Vendome

You misunderstand.

Progressives constantly advocate for ever higher taxes, then even when they’re successful at dooming us all to them, they do this kind of garbage.


26 posted on 06/10/2011 5:27:30 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( The liberal media is more ideologically pure than Barack Obama)
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To: Talisker

“Stop playng with your parents computer.”

Don’t be an insulting asshole.


27 posted on 06/10/2011 5:36:10 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Steve Forbes was right again, this time @ the state level.

The corruption is in the tax code.

Springsteen and Bon Jovi are too freakin' stupid to truly discuss tax policy, yet they hire the best Tax, and Financial Advisers not to mention Attorneys to find all these plums in the code to take advantage of.

Yet they have the cohones to tell us about feed the poor this, Obama that, support this cause but are about as deep as a saucer when it comes to real world decisions that are based on small details such as this tax code anomaly they take advantage of. They don't get the cause and effect and do it because their pro's tell them too... Without getting into to the particulars about being on the other side of the table, the most aggressive clients in this arena are the uber liberals, and the hypocrisy is stunning.

28 posted on 06/10/2011 5:40:25 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The problem isn’t that these people are taking the tax breaks the law allows. The problem is they push for higher taxes on others.


29 posted on 06/10/2011 5:47:53 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Exactly.

Rules for you. Rules for me.

It’s the hypocrisy.


30 posted on 06/10/2011 5:56:55 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( The liberal media is more ideologically pure than Barack Obama)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Just one more illustration of how government incentives and subsidies actually result in people doing things that they probably never would have done otherwise.

And lest anyone suggest this is a liberal vs. conservative thing, it's worth noting that this kind of racket became a campaign issue for GOP candidate Jon Runyan (the former NFL player) in New Jersey last year. It's also probably used most extensively in the most heavily Republican areas of the state (Morris, Somerset and Hunterdon Counties, for example).

31 posted on 06/10/2011 6:30:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

LOL

I don’t misunderstand nuttin.

I apreciate what you are saying.

I live here in the Bay Area and know many of the people on the otherside.

Nancy, Diane, Zoe, etc. Even had lunch with Willie Brown.

I know their duplicity well.


32 posted on 06/10/2011 6:50:26 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Paladin2

Yea, right.


33 posted on 06/10/2011 7:05:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: taildragger; Halfmanhalfamazing
Springsteen and Bon Jovi are too freakin' stupid to truly discuss tax policy, yet they hire the best Tax, and Financial Advisers not to mention Attorneys to find all these plums in the code to take advantage of.

And who do you think sets up all of those plums in the tax code? The "little people"????????????

34 posted on 06/10/2011 7:42:04 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

No Politicans, not men of Liberty, our Founders are rollin’ in their grave. I know they did it to curry favor ( the Jersey tax code )....


35 posted on 06/10/2011 7:51:50 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: dljordan

No, he was pointing out how people use loopholes to get out of paying taxes, hence, the rest of us have to pay the costs of running a state or country. So by using bullsh!t loopholes, they are freeloading off of those who pay to run everything.


36 posted on 06/11/2011 6:55:01 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: dljordan

No, he was pointing out how people use loopholes to get out of paying taxes, hence, the rest of us have to pay the costs of running a state or country. So by using bullsh!t loopholes, they are freeloading off of those who pay to run everything.
It’s especially hypocritical when libs like BonJovi and Springsteen push for raising taxes for their socialist utopia, while they try everything to get out of paying.


37 posted on 06/11/2011 6:57:51 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: PMAS

“It’s especially hypocritical when libs like BonJovi and Springsteen push for raising taxes for their socialist utopia, while they try everything to get out of paying.”

I agree, it is hypocritical but it is legal. Those loopholes are there because someone paid for them to be there. Our tax system is an abomination.


38 posted on 06/11/2011 7:43:01 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: TigersEye
I live on a small farm which is deeded as a farm since 1834 but I pay $7,200 in taxes. Pretty high as I said its small, little over 2 acres. The Asbury Park Press original article which I read was not totally clear or honest about farmland tax breaks.. I moved down to southern NJ for a number of reasons. I couldn't afford the taxes in Howell, & even with over 5 acres & a business my taxes would have been over 10 grand. I have friends who get farmland taxes & never has anyone of them paid less then $3,000. Yes you must make $500 per year. You can do it selling wood, eggs , chickens,goats, boarding horses, growing much needed hay & corn etc.

I have a file sitting on my desk explaining all about this subject. I had a beautiful farm picked out BUT I couldn't buy it as it had not been farmed in 2 yrs so I would have had to pay over 20 grand to the town in taxes & then reapply for farmland which I may or may not have gotten. Some people do abuse the farm tax, many do not. Most of the elderly farmers depend on farm taxes in order to keep their farms or the developers come in & NJ really doesn't need any more strip malls or condo's etc.

The Press makes it sound so easy & simple. It is not by any means. For each year a farm sits idle when you buy it you pay the town the back taxes for for it not being a farm. You can not just decide one day I am going to get farmland tax breaks either & its the middle class small farmer who suffers. We have many horse farms here who depend on this break. Lots of farm stands who do grow veggies & fruit. I can see it growing. Maybe these taxmen ought to go check out the rock stars who can afford to pay huge taxes as we in NJ even if we are not on farms are taxed higher then most in the damn country. And maybe they ought to check their horses out too as a certain wife to one of those super stars damn near starved her kid's pony! Since I rescue horses I don't want to get on a rant on that. However this article makes it seem like everybody is scamming. Well they aren't. The rich rock stars should pay their taxes & the taxman should be looking into this for sure. IF they are truly farming then they deserve to get their break. But not as low as Max Weinburg does...I don't know any farmer getting breaks like these stars are. But I know normal hard working farmers who work 2 jobs to keep the family farm... However this is NJ where the rich get the perks & the middle class & poor get $hit on. There is much more to this problem & because some people want farms to stay it will take awhile to check into this....Its NJ! GRR!

39 posted on 06/11/2011 8:39:54 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: pandoraou812

Thanks for putting some detail and perspective into this story.


40 posted on 06/11/2011 2:53:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Only ‘farmers’ that live off the land, e.g. no other income should get a tax break. On the other hand, land values should also be looked at when the land is not being used to produce income - vacant land that is not used for anything needs to be in a special category.


41 posted on 06/11/2011 4:07:31 PM PDT by existentialist
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