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Alabama's Tough New Immigration Law Can Withstand Legal Challenges, Experts Say
Fox News ^ | June 11, 2011

Posted on 06/11/2011 2:44:41 PM PDT by jazusamo

Alabama's new law cracking down on illegal immigrants will likely survive legal challenges from advocacy groups that say it is unconstitutional and racist, analysts told Fox News.

The law, which takes effect Sept. 1, empowers police to arrest people suspected of being an illegal immigrant if they are stopped for another reason and requires businesses and schools to verify whether workers and students are in the country lawfully. It also makes it a crime to knowingly transport or shelter illegal immigrants.

As soon as Republican Gov. Robert Bentley signed the bill into law Thursday, the ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center were vowing to defeat it in court.

"It is clearly unconstitutional. It's mean-spirited, racist, and we think a court will enjoin it," said Mary Bauer, legal director for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"By signing this bill into law, Gov. Bentley has codified official discrimination in the state of Alabama," said Cecillia Wang, director of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project. "We will take action to keep this law from going into effect to ensure that the civil rights and liberties of all Alabamans are protected."

Legal experts told Fox News that they expect the case to head to the Supreme Court where they believe the state will prevail.

"I think the states have the right to do this," said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice. "I think it will be successful."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; aclu; alabama; aliens; beanerzzz; enforcement; everify; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationlaw; meanspirited; racecard; selfdeportation; splc; statesrights
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Many states are sick of illegal immigration and when passing these laws the leftists go ballistic.
1 posted on 06/11/2011 2:44:44 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Whaaaa, Alabama is “mean-spirited” and “racist”!!!

/s


2 posted on 06/11/2011 2:48:27 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: jazusamo

Sounds like the ACLU should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting criminals.

Wonder how that would hold up.


3 posted on 06/11/2011 2:50:30 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: bgill

The liberals might boycott Alabama. How’s the boycott of Arizona going?

I had to LOL when Los Angeles had to modify their Arizona boycott. Turns out that LA gets lots of electricity imported from Arizona. Getting power to charge up the Ipods, Ipads, and watch cable TV and run the jacuzzi trumps high principle about supporting illegal aliens in la la land.


4 posted on 06/11/2011 2:52:41 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: jazusamo
'Bamans will just have to start passing out maps to California or New York as a “public service”.
5 posted on 06/11/2011 2:53:23 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

There are parts to the law which won’t hold up. If you stop for a hitchhiker....you have to ask about nationality...otherwise, you could be accused of transporting an illegal. This particular part of the law has looked upon as a bit stupid by the locals.

The rest of the law will be challenged...but I suspect most will stand up in court as well as the Arizona law.


6 posted on 06/11/2011 2:53:40 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: jazusamo

Audemus jura nostra defendere

7 posted on 06/11/2011 2:54:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: EQAndyBuzz
It's time that the ACLU should be paying all legal fees for both sides for the cases they lose, there’d be a lot fewer frivolous suits filed by them.
8 posted on 06/11/2011 2:55:39 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Sounds like the ACLU should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting criminals.”

A sterling suggestion. Perhaps Alabama citizens can demand that the state’s AG prosecute. I’m tired of seeing patriots on the defensive. Time to go for the left’s throat. The commie ACLU is a good place to start.

And as a concomitant strategy, threaten a boycott of businesses that advertise in the leftist media. It’s time to bury these Goebbel’s propagandists.


9 posted on 06/11/2011 2:59:59 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: jazusamo

Since when are illegal aliens Alabamans? They are Mexicans until they become American citizens.


10 posted on 06/11/2011 3:00:14 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: jazusamo
It's mean-spirited, racist, and we think a court will enjoin it," said Mary Bauer, legal director for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"Mean spirited", the left's catch phrase for evil conservatives.

The liberals seem to have a catch phrase to belittle anything that's American and wholesome. Oh when, oh when, will we rid our country of the true evil, which is liberalism in all its forms? (Rhetorical)

11 posted on 06/11/2011 3:01:50 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm free at last (retired Dec 1999))
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To: pepsionice
There are parts to the law which won’t hold up. If you stop for a hitchhiker....you have to ask about nationality

Isn't hitch hiking itself one of those unenforced illegalities?

12 posted on 06/11/2011 3:03:41 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm free at last (retired Dec 1999))
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To: jazusamo

“Many states are sick of illegal immigration and when passing these laws the leftists go ballistic”
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Texas has the biggest Republican majority, in its statehouse, in its history. Rick Perry could push for this in Texas.

Unfortunately, he’s too chiken chit to do it. And his cheap labor loving RINO friends in the legislature squash every
anti illegal alien bill that is filed.

Sad.


13 posted on 06/11/2011 3:06:50 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: bgill

To these people anything that protects the meaning of citizenship especially as to our Constitution and state’s rights is ‘mean spirited’ and probably ‘racist’. Makes a person wonder if this isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.


14 posted on 06/11/2011 3:08:46 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: sergeantdave

You have to stop their feeding at the trough of public funds.


15 posted on 06/11/2011 3:10:52 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Graybeard58
"Mean spirited", the left's catch phrase for evil conservatives.

Exactly, and even if a law is constitutional they seem to work in the mean spirited part if they don't like it.

At least the Dem Party of old had conservative Dems, now they're liberals or worse.

16 posted on 06/11/2011 3:11:20 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
If there's a dem who claims to be conservative anymore, I don't know who it is. Joe Lieberman comes close on the single issue of national defense but that's the only issue where he even comes close.

I liked Zell Miller a lot because of his right out front patriotism but am not that familiar with his stance on other issues.

17 posted on 06/11/2011 3:22:25 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm free at last (retired Dec 1999))
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To: Graybeard58
No, there are no conservative Dems any longer and in my original post I meant to say some cons Dems.

Like you said, Lieberman is conservative on defense but a flaming liberal on most everything else.

Miller was a true patriot and was what I'd call moderate on many things. Read a book on him many years ago, can't remember the name of it but it was the type I didn't want to put down.

18 posted on 06/11/2011 3:36:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Graybeard58

“”Mean spirited”, the left’s catch phrase for evil conservatives.”

Anyone from the SPLC is Un-American to the core. They are unadulterated communists.


19 posted on 06/11/2011 3:38:03 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS or RINO's.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Sounds like the ACLU should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting criminals.

Wonder how that would hold up.”

People should just file suit against the ACLU for whatever reason they can find. It would keep them busy defending the lawsuits and at the same time reduce the amount of money they can use to attack. A death by a million cuts so to speak.


20 posted on 06/11/2011 3:55:33 PM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: jazusamo

Alabamans can stop congratulating themselves. It will tossed out. Why does anyone think Alabama will succeed where California, Pennsylvania and Arizona have all failed?


21 posted on 06/11/2011 4:20:17 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink
Really? Here's one AZ law SCOTUS just upheld and the article explains why different attorneys feels this will be constitutional.

SCOTUS upholds Arizona immigrant hiring law

22 posted on 06/11/2011 4:29:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Um, that law is aimed at AMERICAN CITIZENS. Really? Americans are the problem, not millions of illegal aliens?

So it’s fine to take a job if you’re here illegally — it’s fine to BE here illegally — relax, no one’s going after you — but if you’re an American doing the actual hiring... well, you’re in big trouble, buddy.

The Federal Immigration Authorities and police of all stripes don’t verify whether people are here legally, but employers have to?

Yeah, this decision will fix the problem. Groundbreaking.

Please check back on FR after the Alabama laws that actually target illegal aliens are thrown out so I can laugh at you some more.


23 posted on 06/11/2011 4:54:13 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

LOL! You’re a real piece of work.

Don’t give me that poor employer line. The majority of employers who use illegals know or suspect it and are doing it for personal gain.

E-Verify is free and easy and it’s a fed program.

You can be as sarcastic as you want to be but if the employer takes a few minutes to check it puts the illegal out of work.


24 posted on 06/11/2011 5:12:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I’ve got no problem with E-verify. At least it’s something.

But I am pointing out the absurdity that the POLICE are forbidden to apprehend and deport illegal aliens, even if they “know or suspect it,” but CITIZENS will be prosecuted if they do not act on what they “know or suspect.” Do you think this is rational?

Furthermore, any laws that actually address the clear and present danger of millions of foreign nationals squatting in this country have been consistently thrown out by Federal judges. We found that out here in California. So did Arizona and Pennsylvania. Now Alabama is in the batter’s circle. I would love to be proved wrong, but I don’t think I will be. I wish them luck.


25 posted on 06/11/2011 6:48:09 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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"At least the Dem Party of old had conservative Dems, now they're liberals or worse.

Scoop Jackson was one of the last conservative, pro-American Democrats.

"As a Cold War anti-Communist Democrat, Jackson's political philosophies and positions have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle.[1] The Henry Jackson Society is named in his honor. "

26 posted on 06/11/2011 7:25:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: Blue Ink

I’m happy to hear you don’t have a problem with E-verify.

I believe we have to take everything we can get in the fight against illegals.

I understand the frustration with the feds not doing much of anything for a lot of years. Obama and Napolitano are flat out for open borders and amnesty now and though I was a supporter of Bush he did not take a conservative stand against illegals.

Some states are trying to do something and there’s no way I’m going to be pessemistic about those efforts.

The fight for AZ 1070 isn’t over, Brewer just announced she’s going to SCOTUS with it. I have no idea what will happen but I’m sure not going to express doom and gloom.

Same for the new AL law and some pretty in the know experts are predicting it’ll stand, I hope they’re right.

We’re on the same side in this illegals thing, let’s fight it together.


27 posted on 06/11/2011 7:38:09 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: blam
Scoop Jackson was one of the last conservative, pro-American Democrats.

Bump for Scoop Jackson, a very good man!

28 posted on 06/11/2011 7:41:15 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: noinfringers2

“Makes a person wonder if this isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.”

It probably is. It’s also probably a cast iron pot and a bronze kettle.


29 posted on 06/11/2011 8:08:47 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: jazusamo

Agreed.


30 posted on 06/11/2011 11:09:14 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


31 posted on 06/12/2011 3:49:48 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: noinfringers2
Makes a person wonder if this isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.

You hit on it there.

For those leftists orgs to fight this law is the height of racism. Racism against the race of every citizen of the USA.

For any organization to support illegal insurgent criminal invading colonists (and fight for them to stay in this country when they have no right to) should be deemed a treasonous act.

They should be put on trial, get their guilty verdict, and then punished with the appropriate punishment. We know what that is for traitors.

32 posted on 06/12/2011 5:16:53 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: jazusamo
The SPLC HQ building is almost the size of the State Capitol.

Poverty must be good for business.

33 posted on 06/12/2011 7:23:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: jazusamo; All

The fact you’re a right-leaning white male...makes you racist....haha

In fact only when you denounce yourself completely are you somewhat acceptable liberal-wise. Make sure you don’t have children and abort those you make...because that’s the true goal. Then make sure you pay everyone back for something that didn’t even remotely happen in your generation...because after all you’re still responsible.

And make sure to cater to mediocrity and relativism. Because their opinion on how to run a government is just as good, even if they came from a failed country.


34 posted on 06/12/2011 7:26:17 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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I’m happy to hear you don’t have a problem with E-verify.

Here is the problem with E-Verify:

The Governor (Nikki Haley) said she told Napolitano that South Carolina cannot enforce illegal immigration because the federal government will not allow the state to look at E-Verify summaries.


35 posted on 06/12/2011 7:29:22 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: jazusamo; bamahead; Impy; Liz; ExTexasRedhead

Good for Alabama. Look for the Obama Administration to sue it.


36 posted on 06/12/2011 7:34:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Carry_Okie

poverty=cheap labor

Business loves it...hell, once they had it for free. That’s where I’m for nationalism and regulation. Regulate the amount of people coming in, where they come from and review the character of their culture. Young, educated/hardworking and from countries that actually have character and direction. All others will be mildly invited, so we don’t dent the character of America by inviting more idiots.

The whole idea of free-market/open border democracy is a joke. It’s a relativist dream...along with their business allies.


37 posted on 06/12/2011 7:35:41 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

They’ll get sued if they continue on this path and be forced to release the information. And I think Obama won’t make it another four years in office.


38 posted on 06/12/2011 7:38:59 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: jazusamo
Southern Poverty Law Center is a racist organization... To IMHO they have NEVER taken up a cause that defended white people or Asians ... They should call themselves the National Rich White Liberal Elite Guilt-Trip Organization that Defends Anyone Black. The NRWLEGTOTDAB...
39 posted on 06/12/2011 7:43:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Carry_Okie
Poverty must be good for business.

It most definitely is for the SPLC, we'll see if they continue on their roll defending illegals, I doubt it.

40 posted on 06/12/2011 7:56:15 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Thanks for linking that.

Obama and Napolitano have many problems and though Nappy says she agrees with E-verify I really doubt that she does.

SCOTUS has ruled already so this could get interesting.


41 posted on 06/12/2011 8:06:21 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Blue Ink

>>But I am pointing out the absurdity that the POLICE are forbidden to apprehend and deport illegal aliens, even if they “know or suspect it,” but CITIZENS will be prosecuted if they do not act on what they “know or suspect.” Do you think this is rational?<<

Rational? Hell yes. Illegals do not hire other illegals. Americans do. When they stop hiring illegals there won’t be any jobs open for the illegal so they will self deport.


42 posted on 06/12/2011 8:08:35 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: GOPJ
Southern Poverty Law Center is a racist organization...

Absolutely! It's worse than the ACLU if that's possible. They'll jump on anything having to do with race, legitimate or not and most is not.

43 posted on 06/12/2011 8:12:01 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: blam

Scoop Jackson was conservative on national defense (Boeing was his home state’s biggest employer), but he was pretty liberal on everything else.


44 posted on 06/12/2011 8:14:39 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: jazusamo
On to the next state. Make them chase us. State by state. Across the land. Burn their corrupt program of illegal immigration up from the "ground up" till in engulfs D.C. (figuratively speaking here).

I am talking a political grassfire that has been set and has immense potential for spreading and overwhelming them, routing them, forcing them into total retreat.

45 posted on 06/12/2011 8:41:04 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Sign of a good, decent FREEPER: Promoting your own GOP candidate & not disrupting threads of others')
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To: Rick_Michael
That’s where I’m for nationalism and regulation. Regulate the amount of people coming in, where they come from and review the character of their culture. Young, educated/hardworking and from countries that actually have character and direction. All others will be mildly invited, so we don’t dent the character of America by inviting more idiots.

Egads! The whole country would look like Switzerland! The horror!!!

46 posted on 06/12/2011 8:47:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I am talking a political grassfire that has been set and has immense potential for spreading and overwhelming them, routing them, forcing them into total retreat.

Better sooner than later, before GunWalker gives the Bamster his "civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded."

47 posted on 06/12/2011 9:00:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Project GunWalker: "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, j")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

That sounds like a terrific plan to me.

If enough states that are most affected do it the ones that that are left will be so overwhelmed they’ll have to get on board.

Cut off employment, welfare of any kind, drivers licenses, etc. and the illegals will go home on their own or will not dare show their faces.


48 posted on 06/12/2011 9:00:50 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Nappy says she agrees with E-verify

Translation: She will use it as a political prop, while minimizing any DHS actions that might really do some good, and trying to slap down any effort by the states to do anything at all about the problem.

49 posted on 06/13/2011 12:15:43 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks jazusamo.


50 posted on 06/13/2011 3:00:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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