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Employers Drop Insurance Over Obamacare
Townhall.com ^ | June 12, 2011 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 06/12/2011 5:16:27 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
The result spells death to private insurance and life to nationalized healthcare just as conservatives predicted.

Not just Conservatives. I was up in Baltimore at one of the Howard Dean - Karl Rove debates a couple months back, and the ONE thing they both agreed upon was that Obamacare was completely unsustainable.

Dean took the position that its unsustainability was a GOOD thing, since it would force the country to adopt the kind of single-payer plan he wants.
21 posted on 06/12/2011 9:42:47 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: libertylover
The whole purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business and force a single-payer, government run system.

Of course you are right. In 1994 Newt Gingrich proposed the opposite. He wanted to allow people to take part of their Medicare deductions and put them into either medical savings accounts or buy private insurance. He said that so many people would opt for that plan that Medicare would eventually wither on the vine.

The Democrats and media latched onto that phrase, wither on the vine, and demonized the whole idea as an attempt to "get rid of your Medicare." Of course it was, just as this is an attempt to force universal coverage. To make sure it happens the Obama plan also forces insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions.

That does two things. It forces high costs on the companies for people who have paid nothing into the plan, thereby destroying the actuarial tables on which the rates are determined, and also the reinsurance business. It would also eliminate existing rate payers who would decide to just wait until they needed insurance before they buy it.

It is a brutally simple way to force national healthcare on everyone. It also exposes Obama's lie that you can keep your present policies if you want.

22 posted on 06/12/2011 12:41:41 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Next procedure...conscription of doctors. They already tell them how many days a patient can stay in the hospital for any given illness with Medicare.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 2:52:26 PM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: GailA

In Ohio, probably other places too, they now have “ Hospitalists”/ doctors who are not your persona; doc, ie, primary care or internist, who work at and for the hospital.
That’s who you get once you’re in the hospital.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 3:14:00 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Vaduz

“If that doesn’t get voters to oust congress critter who passed the bill nothing will.No wonder the treat people like sheep.”

Yup.


25 posted on 06/12/2011 3:36:03 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kaslin

Democrats offer AT&T the option of insuring its employees or paying a $2,000 fine and they call Sarah Palin dumb. she’s a genius compared to Obama.


26 posted on 06/12/2011 4:35:53 PM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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To: MinuteGal
The combined houses of Congress won't repeal it before 2013. Reid won't allow it and Obama would never sign a bill to eliminate his "BFD" legislative accomplishment.

The best chance is SCOTUS declaring it unconstitutional. It may or may not reach them before the 2012 election.

A great fear is, without the high court ruling it unconstitutional, the leviathan may get into a "mend it, don't end it" battle with Democrats. We'd be stuck with it like we've been stuck with all of their other "progressive" experiments for generations now.

If Obama's reelected, we might have to see it "play out" until 2017, when I think it's in full effect. I'd say your pessimism is warranted.

27 posted on 06/12/2011 9:38:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: kathsua
They know exactly what option employers will take. It's by design.

They want to have a talking point to say, 'See, greedy employers hate you! We need single payer and more unions. Progressive gov't is the answer!'

28 posted on 06/12/2011 9:49:30 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: libertylover
The whole purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business and force a single-payer, government run system.

Correctamundo!

29 posted on 06/13/2011 2:59:42 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

We are still getting our own docs here in TN. At least for now. We use private hospital, not public. What I’m seeing is more of the Nurse Practioner’s instead of my Internist, which is ok by me for my regular 6 month check ups and meds as they don’t vary.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 2:07:58 PM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: Kaslin

A couple of days ago I went searching for an affordable eye doctor and to replace two pairs of glasses, one for work and driving the other for home.

I drive a concrete mixer and at 54 years old my eyes are changing, I have been employed at the same job for 16 years, there is no other place within 50 miles that can match the wages and commuting is out of the question as I am in Alaska.

Every place I went to expected me to have health insurance, my job has never had any health insurance plan, the area where I live is Wasilla, Alaska and in the last two years all I have seen sprouting up is more and more doctors and dentists offices being built.

I’m not sure if or its going to work out in the long run but I suspect many businesses that drop insurance will have an effect upon these nearly built offices that were expecting most patients to have insurance.

Most everyone I know cannot afford outside health insurance and we will not support Obamacare.

So unless its different in the lower 48 I predict a massive collapse of the insurance expectations of the new centers and the people will start shopping for the lower pricing.

Thats what I did, and still I had to forgo progressive lens’s because they wanted way too much for them.


31 posted on 06/15/2011 4:52:22 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (2012, NO MORE LIES!)
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