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Vintage World War II Plane Crashes Outside Chicago (B-17)
WKRC ^ | 6/13/2011 | WKRC

Posted on 06/13/2011 9:35:42 AM PDT by TSgt

A WWII bomber plane crashed and caught fire near Chicago Monday morning. No one was injured.

Seven people were onboard the plane. Officials say they all walked away from the crash.

The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress was at airport in Oswego, Illinois, to mark the 67th anniversary of D-Day. The bomber was grounded over the weekend due to mechanical problems and took off from Sugar Grove Airport at 9:30 a.m. The Daily Herald profiled the plane and D-Day event over the weekend.

The restored B-17, called "Liberty Belle," is owned by Liberty Foundation. The plane was at Lunken Airport on June 19, 2010 where the public was invited to fly on it for a fee of $430.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aerospace; b17; bomber; navair; planecrash; wwii
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Glad they all walked away but what a loss of history...
1 posted on 06/13/2011 9:35:46 AM PDT by TSgt
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2 posted on 06/13/2011 9:37:12 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: TSgt

sad


3 posted on 06/13/2011 9:37:50 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: SandRat; Kathy in Alaska; Squantos; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; SLB

FYI


4 posted on 06/13/2011 9:38:20 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: TSgt

I’ve been inside “Liberty Belle”. Sadness.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 9:38:59 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: TSgt

Oh no.....
This was a PRICELESS piece of history.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 9:39:27 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: TSgt

Oh no! There’s not that many of those beauties in flying condition anymore.

I had heard that at the upcoming Arlington (WA) Fly-in, the B-17 ‘Sentimental Journey’ will be there. I saw her once about 20 years ago at Felts Field in Spokane. Gorgeous aircraft.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 9:39:40 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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To: TSgt

Breaks my heart to have another beautiful warbird lost, but she took care of all aboard. The Fortress did her job of sacrificing herself for the crew. Sucks, but a happy ending nonetheless.

I still grieve when I see picutures of hundreds upon hundreds of B-17s and other aircraft disassembled for scrap after the war, with no thought of saving a few score for museums and posterity. I completely understand that people wanted nothing to do with the war or war machinery at the time, except practical things like jeeps to us on the farm. Still and all, such a shame we couldn’t have saved more for history’s sake.


8 posted on 06/13/2011 9:39:48 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: Sarah, they called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: TSgt
A WWII bomber plane crashed and caught fire near Chicago Monday morning.

It's one heck a lot closer to Aurora, or Naperville, than it is to Chicago, but I suppose one can't fault someone from Cincinnati for not knowing there's something other than Chicago that makes up Illinois...

9 posted on 06/13/2011 9:39:55 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: TSgt

What a loss. B-( IIRC, the Liberty Belle was at the Pittsburgh Air Show too.


10 posted on 06/13/2011 9:40:36 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Oh my...what a loss.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 9:41:26 AM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: TSgt
"Seven people were onboard the plane. Officials say they all walked away from the crash."

Bringing her crew home safe, one last time :-(

12 posted on 06/13/2011 9:41:55 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: TSgt

Dumb me. In my zeal I forgot to say HUGE KUDOS to the pilot for bringing the pland down with no casualties. Great job. Likely, he had hundreds of hours giving tours and taking that plane around the country. Still, those huge wings couldn’t have hurt, but the praise really goes all out to the pilot who did a fantastic job of bringing the pland down safely.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 9:44:17 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: Sarah, they called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: TSgt

Yeah, it’s sad to watch a piece of history be lost to this generation and the generations to come. I’m 62 and read and saw footage about B-17’s all my life but I never actually laid eyes on one until 2002 at a local air show. And at that show, a Navy F4U Corsair crashed and burned, and the pilot was killed.

Then there was the “Kee Bird” B-29 that sat on the Greenland ice pack since 1947 and somebody completely restored it on site in 1995 and then it caught fire and burned while taxiing for takeoff.

It’s a crying shame. But the effort to remember has to go on. I guess they’ll salvage the engines off that B-17.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 9:46:59 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: savedbygrace

Me, too. What a tragedy (the crash, not the fact that I was in it, too!).
Cheers
Jim


15 posted on 06/13/2011 9:47:33 AM PDT by gymbeau (Free Tibet! (Limit two per customer))
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To: TSgt

RIP Liberty Belle. Long live liberty!


16 posted on 06/13/2011 9:49:28 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: savedbygrace

So have I. sad


17 posted on 06/13/2011 9:49:51 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The Liberty Belle in happier times.

18 posted on 06/13/2011 9:50:25 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: TSgt

What a bummer....my girlfriend and I saw it at Boeing Field in April. It was gorgeous.

Glad no one was hurt.


19 posted on 06/13/2011 9:52:54 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: zot

“Queens Die Proudly” William L. White, 1943. This is one of the best books ever published on the history of the 5th Air Force in the early days of WWII in the Pacific. An absolute MUST READ for any historian . .


20 posted on 06/13/2011 9:53:37 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I still grieve when I see pictures of hundreds upon hundreds of B-17s and other aircraft disassembled for scrap after the war, with no thought of saving a few score for museums and posterity.

My late father used to tell stories of flying airplanes from the factory to the scrap yard after the end of the war. He said they would give the planes a real workout since they were headed for destruction.

21 posted on 06/13/2011 9:54:05 AM PDT by Taylor42
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To: Stonewall Jackson; TSgt
Very sad, she was a beautiful plane.

Liberty Belle

22 posted on 06/13/2011 9:55:41 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
HUGE KUDOS to the pilot for bringing the pland down with no casualties. Great job

The only thing better would have been to not fly an aircraft that is not airworthy.

23 posted on 06/13/2011 9:56:33 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: TSgt

Very sad.
I think that is the one I saw fly over my home 2 weeks ago when it was here.


24 posted on 06/13/2011 9:57:44 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

B17 E with the chin turret. Made late in the war. Makes her even more rare.

Sad


25 posted on 06/13/2011 9:59:25 AM PDT by Gordon Pym (2+2=4)
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To: kalee

I’ve seen this particular plan “in action”, too.

Sadly, I don’t think there will be many WWII airplanes operational within the next 20 years - most remaining will be hanging from the ceilings of museums. Let’s face it, they aren’t making any more, and there will be accidents no matter how well maintained the remainder are. So, see them while you can.


26 posted on 06/13/2011 10:00:03 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: TSgt
Sad, quite a loss of history.

Any word on the cause?

27 posted on 06/13/2011 10:00:03 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
[ Still and all, such a shame we couldn't’t have saved more for history’s sake.]

It was a shame the so many other models from the war were not sold to the public for appreciation. One case, they buried over 1500 P-38’s fresh off the assembly line, drover over them first with D-8’s and burried them, new engines and all. They made no attempt to salvage a thing from these priceless war birds.

They did the same with most new P-51’s etc,.....Pure shame!

28 posted on 06/13/2011 10:00:39 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: onedoug

ping


29 posted on 06/13/2011 10:00:57 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: TSgt

Liberty Belle had a fascinating history too. After WWII she was used by Pratt&Whitney to test turboprops. Involved removal of her nose and replacement with a large rig to mount the engines she was testing.

After being retired from that role, she went to the New England Air Museum. Where she was seriously damaged during the 1979 tornado, when another plane in the museum’s collection was thrown into her and cut her in half.

After a couple decades in storage, she was obtained and restored to flying condition in her B-17G bomber configuration. A few years back she was flown over to Europe where she was joined by the then-two flying European B-17s (”Pink Lady” from France and “Sally B” from the UK).

Really, really sad day. Glad everyone got out ok, obviously, but she was such a precious piece of irreplaceable history.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 10:02:57 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“Breaks my heart to have another beautiful warbird lost, but she took care of all aboard. The Fortress did her job of sacrificing herself for the crew. Sucks, but a happy ending nonetheless.”

You are right. Faithful to the end.


31 posted on 06/13/2011 10:03:32 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: TSgt

I’m glad all survived, but what a sad loss of our history. I took my parents and sons to see the Liberty Belle some years ago when she was visiting my parents’ home town. It was quite an experience for us. My parents remembered hearing the Americans overhead in the latter stages of the war when they were still under Nazi occupation. They knew at that point that it was only a matter of time until the war was over.


32 posted on 06/13/2011 10:03:37 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: bcsco
It's one heck a lot closer to Aurora

It's a bit ironic that Aurora is home to a huge FAA facility (Chicago Air Route Traffic Center).

33 posted on 06/13/2011 10:04:01 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Yes, and how heartbroken the pilot must be!


34 posted on 06/13/2011 10:05:26 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: TSgt

I knew an old fella who flew on those during the war. He used to regale me with stories of how much flak one of them could take and keep on flying. Sad to see one meet its end on a sightseeing cruise then.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 10:05:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: elcid1970
Then there was the “Kee Bird” B-29 that sat on the Greenland ice pack since 1947 and somebody completely restored it on site in 1995 and then it caught fire and burned while taxiing for takeoff.

The loss of Kee Bird was a complete travesty, and (imho) a crime against history.

She was restored, but only to the most basic condition capable of flight to the nearest airfield, where she was to be broken down for shipment back to the US.

During the taxi tests the crew had an APU in the rear fuselage that was being gravity fed with fuel from a 5-gallon can suspended overhead. Some of the fuel sloshed around as she was taxiing (no surprise there, given the condition of the improvised "runway" they were using), hit the hot APU and *POOF*. B-29, extra crispy.

The only positive thing about Kee Bird is that the risks associated with getting her to successfully lift off from that "runway" were high ... there was a VERY good chance that they were going to crash her trying and people were going to die.
36 posted on 06/13/2011 10:10:38 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Awesome pic..many thanks for posting

Since we have just passed another D-Day anniversary, a little perspective is in order.

The 8th USAAF ( for which the B-17 was the main bomber) lost 26,000 men over Europe. That number is GREATER than the total USMC KIA in all of WW II. Of the Marine deaths, almost 8,000 occured taking Iwo Jima.

The chief reason for the Iwo Jima campaign was to use the island's airstrips as an emergency landing site for the B-29's that were bombing Japan. Indeed, the first B-29 ditched in the water along side the landing beaches on day 3 of the invasion. USAAF studies done just after the war suggest that having Iwo available for emergencies may have saved 20-25,000 USAAF lives.

Also, we must never forget that the main reason for the constant bombing of Germany from 43-44 was to destroy the Luftwaffe. The D-Day invasion could not have succeeded ( or at best been much more costly) without total air supremacy over the invasion beaches.

37 posted on 06/13/2011 10:14:43 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: kbennkc
The only thing better would have been to not fly an aircraft that is not airworthy.

Chances are the FAA investigators have just arrived on the scene, and not even begun their investigation let alone made their conclusion and released their report. Where do you draw the conclusion that Liberty Bell was "not airworthy" at the point when the decision was made to fly her?
38 posted on 06/13/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by tanknetter
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39 posted on 06/13/2011 10:15:30 AM PDT by magslinger (Zombies make up much of the Democrat's base.)
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To: Nowhere Man
What a loss. B-( IIRC, the Liberty Belle was at the Pittsburgh Air Show too.

I saw her at the show and she flew over my house. You could hear her coming. My Wife and I were jumping up and down, waiving like a couple of kids. Glad everyone walked away, however I am sad about the loss.
40 posted on 06/13/2011 10:16:47 AM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: TSgt; All

What a sad loss!

I believe that same bomber was kept in one of the maintenance hangars on the Reserve (East) side of Andrews AFB several years ago prior to its annual air show.

Climbed inside and was astounded at how cramped and crowded the interior was behind the flight deck. Yet, it was fun to touch some honest to God history.


41 posted on 06/13/2011 10:18:05 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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To: sjmjax

The pilot reported an inflight fire shortly after take off. He put it in a field shortly after that as the fire worsened. Great airmanship! Many folks would wait too long in that situation and cost lives.


42 posted on 06/13/2011 10:18:59 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

She was so very beautiful. Thanks for posting that pic.


43 posted on 06/13/2011 10:20:52 AM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

When I told my daughter she said, “OH NO, I have pictures of Daddy and me when we went to see her.”


44 posted on 06/13/2011 10:21:20 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: TSgt

It was a beautiful aircraft representing tens or hundreds of thousands of hours of restoration work. Thankfully no one was injured in this terrible accident. However, it would have been the ultimate WWII reenactment to get to see it go down in flames over that European-looking Illinois countryside!


45 posted on 06/13/2011 10:22:00 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: ken5050
The 8th USAAF ( for which the B-17 was the main bomber) lost 26,000 men over Europe. That number is GREATER than the total USMC KIA in all of WW II. Of the Marine deaths, almost 8,000 occured taking Iwo Jima.

Been watching "WWII in HD" on History Channel too?

;-)
46 posted on 06/13/2011 10:24:37 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Think free or die
I’m glad all survived, but what a sad loss of our history.

I look forward to hearing the foundation's plans. Seems to be a fair amount of her remaining, and some of these preservation groups have built flying aircraft from a LOT LESS of an original.

Sigh, I guess I'm the eternal optimist. (Besides, she's flown over my house about a hundred times. We were right on the tour flight path every year.)
47 posted on 06/13/2011 10:25:25 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: TSgt

My late uncle flew a B-17 in Europe during the war. His plane was all shot up over Germany, but he limped the aircraft back to his base in England a made a survivable crash landing. My uncle injured his back in the crash landing, and a military doctor told him he would have serious back problems in 20 years. Twenty years later, in the 1960’s, my uncle DID have a lot of back problems, which ended after he had a steel rod placed inside his back.

I saw one of these B-17’s at an air show at the Maine Air National Guard base, part of Bangor International Airport in Maine, in late May of 2000. I stood next to the spot where the plane taxied after it landed, and watched the whole crew disembark.....they were all wearing vintage World War II uniforms and/or flight gear. It was a thrill.

The only upside to this sad crash is the spare parts that will help to keep other B-17’s flying.


48 posted on 06/13/2011 10:25:33 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Palin / West in 2012 or West / Palin. Either combination will serve America well.)
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To: TSgt
I walked that aircraft twice....................Thank god everyone got out.

She will be missed.

49 posted on 06/13/2011 10:26:51 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: TSgt
That's sad. Hopefully somethings can be reused on another one.
50 posted on 06/13/2011 10:28:51 AM PDT by McGruff (Why do they fear her so?)
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