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SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
rutherford.org ^ | 13 June, 2011 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 06/14/2011 4:17:25 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: MrB
Yep.

My kids have moved West and it's quite clear now that I'll have to blow this pop stand (a People's Republic) within a couple of years.

61 posted on 06/14/2011 6:31:59 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: The Theophilus
"I wonder how long it will be before we hear of IEDs used routinely as perimeter defense"

See #44. The Law of Unintended Consequences rears its ugly head again.

62 posted on 06/14/2011 6:34:16 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MichaelP

Remember, we were all GPSed according to voting preferences!!!!


63 posted on 06/14/2011 6:34:16 AM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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To: marktwain

What really puts this into perspective is that as SWAT usage continues to soar (especially under Obunghole) the violent crime rate continues to plummet to all time lows.


64 posted on 06/14/2011 6:34:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: bbernard

My major goal in life is to be left alone (not hassled by “The Man”).


65 posted on 06/14/2011 6:38:01 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: The Theophilus

You just posted an excellent analysis but I don’t see how it backs up your first line about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a Legalization Libertarian. But I see us in a constitutional crisis of the first magnitude and I think emergency steps are called for to reign in the power of the Thugocracy formerly known as USA, power that you so skillfully describe.

One way to reign in that power is to start legalizing things.

The fewer laws, the less justification for murdering civilians to enforce the laws.

And the one set of laws that has been consistently used to build, support, arm, equip, train and mandate this growing army of Mogadishu Thugs is the collective set of laws against drugs.

I say legalize every single g-d drug tomorrow and start laying off cops and auctioning off their toys.


66 posted on 06/14/2011 6:42:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: marktwain
The main culprit is the federal government and its grants. If police agencies had to buy SWAT gear out of their own budgets, mostly they wouldn't.

SWAT should be restricted to State Police units, where local law enforcement needs to show a very good reason to get the state unit come and assist.

67 posted on 06/14/2011 6:43:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: samtheman
I would now rather try to deal (as a society) with the consequences of increased drug use than have this backwoods 3rd-world animals-in-uniform running the Thugocracy known as America.

Prior to about 1911 or so, people could buy cocaine, morphine, marijuana and opium, mostly without legal restrictions. The US managed to survive up to that point.

As Prohibition demonstrated, you CANNOT win the "War on Drugs" without establishing a police state. Even WITH a police state, the Soviets could not stop drug use.

68 posted on 06/14/2011 6:47:47 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

Six months ago I would have argued with you on your post#68. Today, after reading more and more stories of these SWAT (State Worker Attack Thugs ?) teams, I agree with you.

Ending all drug laws is probably a necessary first step to clearing out these vicious beasts from our midst.


69 posted on 06/14/2011 6:53:04 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
but I don’t see how it backs up your first line about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The proposition that surrendering to the War On Drugs will go a long way to solve the Police State environment pretends that the there is ONLY one way to execute the WoD.

Philosophically the WoD is important since the alternative is worse. I think everyone except the politicians and the goons agree that the WoD is executed poorly. If we don't like No-Knock warrant service, then do what government has always done to discourage a practice - regulate the heck out of it.

Government perversely knows that rewarding something by allowing the actors to profit in an unregulated environment will encourage huge growth in that activity. So they have no regulations on No-Knocks and through seizure laws allow the goons and their enabler/handlers to profit immensely. If some politician sees a Bugatti Veyron, then accuse the owner of dealing drugs, invade the home and confiscate the object of desire as part of the seizure practice. That is not WoD, that is an out-of-control unconstitutional kleptocracy. Throw that out.

70 posted on 06/14/2011 6:59:13 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: MrB

Thanks for that suggestion, did not think of that.


71 posted on 06/14/2011 7:12:53 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: marktwain
How did we allow ourselves to travel so far down the road to a police state?

Tha answer to this question is really quite simple. People just don't care about liberty. They are more than willing to trade it away for the flimsiest of excuses.

72 posted on 06/14/2011 7:28:20 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: The Theophilus

If everyone were intelligent AND paying attention your prescription would be a good one.

Sadly, few are both intelligent and paying attention. No one will even hear your prescription, let alone think about it. (Very few, anyway.)

That’s why I say, pull the rug out from under the feet of the goons. Legalize drugs now.


73 posted on 06/14/2011 7:34:43 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: exit82

Not only does the Fourth Amendent have no meaning now, the entire Constitution, according to the Democrat Party and its deciples, consists of two, soon to be three things:1. A woman’s “right” to murder her unborn child. 2. A degererate’s “right” to practice their perversion. Soon to be added, a degenerate’s “right” to “marry” anything they please. On second thought, make that four things: A parasites “right” to be sustained by the producers.[Whether the producers wish to sustain them or not.]


74 posted on 06/14/2011 7:41:07 AM PDT by sport
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To: marktwain
In another case, the girlfriend of a drug suspect and her young child crouched on the floor in obedience to police instructions during the execution of a search warrant. One officer proceeded to shoot the family dogs. His fellow officer, in another room, mistook the shots for hostile gunfire and fired blindly into the room where the defendant crouched, killing her and wounding her child.

Determined to be a "good shoot" I suppose.

75 posted on 06/14/2011 7:53:13 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Travis McGee
In return, the local SWAT serves as a force multiplier for the FLEAs when they need extra muscle in that jurisdiction. In this way, just a small squad of feds can call on the services of a much bigger local SWAT team when they want to conduct a raid in force.

And with the money comes lot of strings. You play ball with the feds any time they tell you to, or they take their ball away. Once a local PD becomes dependent on grant money, the feds effectively own them.

76 posted on 06/14/2011 7:56:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Joe Brower

77 posted on 06/14/2011 7:59:26 AM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; MEGoody

Date Night for you two!


78 posted on 06/14/2011 8:00:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am utterly opinionless. About everything. Even the fact I have no opinion.)
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To: marktwain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CyxOlL9zKg


79 posted on 06/14/2011 8:06:50 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: samtheman

In exactly the same way and to exactly the same extent that eliminating sodomy laws (largely in the sixties and seventies) has reduced the problems with homosexuals preying on children and teenagers.


80 posted on 06/14/2011 8:17:07 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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