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Armed and extremely dangerous' ex-militia leader hunted after Mont. Shootout
MSNBC.com ^ | June 14, 2011 | Associated Press, Reuters, NBC News and msnbc.com staff

Posted on 06/14/2011 1:43:04 PM PDT by Teotwawki

Federal and state agents are searching a 30-square-mile swath of rugged Montana forest for a former militia leader following a shootout with sheriff's deputies, authorities said.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: burgert; davidburgert; militia; montana
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1 posted on 06/14/2011 1:43:11 PM PDT by Teotwawki
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To: Teotwawki

moose-litia?


2 posted on 06/14/2011 1:44:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Teotwawki

Given the government’s aggressive tactics in the last decade or so, I’ll give this guy the benefit of the doubt until I learn more about what is going on.


3 posted on 06/14/2011 1:47:57 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Teotwawki

Quick! Send in Lon Horiuchi! /s


4 posted on 06/14/2011 1:48:52 PM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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To: Teotwawki

Only White men are dangerous,the Islamic savages have been “oppressed”.\s


5 posted on 06/14/2011 1:49:05 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Teotwawki

Have the Feds committed the F-16’s like they did at Ruby Ridge, and the helicopter gunships, like they did at Mt Carmel by Waco? What about the FLAMETHROWERS?


6 posted on 06/14/2011 1:51:13 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: DonaldC
From the artiicle:

In July 2004, Burgert pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess illegal firearms, possession of a machine gun and being a felon in possession of a firearm. Federal prosecutors argued he led a group that amassed machine guns and explosives. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Burgert had been arrested in February 2002 after a standoff and a chase. He had a machine gun when he was arrested, and authorities found thousands of rounds of ammunition and homemade explosives while searching sites associated with Project 7.

At the time, officials in Flathead County in far northwestern Montana said that Project 7 also conspired to kill local police officers, judges and county prosecutors.

NBC station KCFW reported that authorities in 2002 discovered a hit list of government officials who Burgert hoped to assassinate.

7 posted on 06/14/2011 1:52:20 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: DonaldC

From what I’ve seen, the guy sounds like a nut and I’m more inclined to believe the feds are attaching him to a militia group.


8 posted on 06/14/2011 1:52:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Teotwawki

Given that this is MSNBC, the fugitive’s “militia” connection is probably nothing more tha a couple of dusty old John Birch pamphlets.


9 posted on 06/14/2011 1:54:20 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DonaldC

“Armed and extremely dangerous”

May that be said of all of us.


10 posted on 06/14/2011 1:55:45 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

you’re a bitter clinger,too ?


12 posted on 06/14/2011 1:59:35 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
conspired to kill local police officers, judges and county prosecutors.

Hmmm... Did he kill any? If not, why not?

I'm calling "BS"!

Sounds like a harmless big mouth who likes things that go "bang." .

... It's the quiet ones you have to worry about...


13 posted on 06/14/2011 2:01:18 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Monterrosa-24

“Armed and extremely dangerous”

“”May that be said of all of us.””

Roger That. and well said!


14 posted on 06/14/2011 2:04:20 PM PDT by mongo141
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To: DonaldC

The LEs on various levels are kicking in doors, openly assassinating a Marine here in Tucson, harassing and humiliating a guy in Stockton, many other examples. I no longer assume that LE is in the right.


15 posted on 06/14/2011 2:04:44 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: cripplecreek
From what I’ve seen, the guy sounds like a nut and I’m more inclined to believe the feds are attaching him to a militia group.

Agreed!

Having lived through the Detroit riots and having our house the only one on the block NOT burned down due to our overwhelming fire power, I cherish our gun rights.

Jackasses like these are an embarrassment at the least.

16 posted on 06/14/2011 2:04:48 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: DonaldC

If he can just make it to Ruby Ridge...


17 posted on 06/14/2011 2:07:09 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Mikey_1962

Pete King’s hearings are heating up again and the feds need a dangerous right wing militia fugitive badly.


18 posted on 06/14/2011 2:08:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Teotwawki

Talked smack about the government
Ran a Stop sign
Slow speed chase
Paranoid Personality disorder
Owned guns and ammo

Why do I smell a set up?


19 posted on 06/14/2011 2:08:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Teotwawki

“The former militia leader allegedly responded to commands that he surrender by shooting at deputies before disappearing into the forest.”


20 posted on 06/14/2011 2:10:05 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: Teotwawki

Let’s be honest here, folks - I can’t be the only one on here whose immediate, gut-level first impression was, “I’d hide the guy,” can I?


21 posted on 06/14/2011 2:10:23 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Teotwawki

Let’s be honest here, folks - I can’t be the only one on here whose immediate, gut-level first impression was, “I’d hide the guy,” can I?


22 posted on 06/14/2011 2:10:33 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I’m not bitter, but I am a clinger. ;-)


23 posted on 06/14/2011 2:10:33 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You missed the part about shooting at police.


24 posted on 06/14/2011 2:11:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Teotwawki
No doubt he is in possession of a huge cache of weapons consisting of a shotgun, deer rifle and a 9mm handgun....huge I tell ya....huge.
25 posted on 06/14/2011 2:11:53 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Teotwawki

The other thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2734428/posts


26 posted on 06/14/2011 2:12:31 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: IronJack

The federalists got themselves into a heap of hurt by going after this early Montana militia leader.
27 posted on 06/14/2011 2:14:31 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Teotwawki

Rambo !!


28 posted on 06/14/2011 2:15:02 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It would be great to get an interview before he gets Guerena’d.


29 posted on 06/14/2011 2:15:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: cripplecreek
Police in the Guerena shooting said he'd fired at them as well. At least, at first they did. Until it was determined that his rifle was on Safe and unfired.

This guys first felony was for an unregistered machine gun. Next was "felon in possession of a firearm". Neither of which should have been a crime to begin with under "Shall not be infringed".

Can't say as I can bring myself to condemn this guys actions.

30 posted on 06/14/2011 2:17:16 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: cripplecreek

Shot at what we are told were police. What he knew or believed them to be might differ.


31 posted on 06/14/2011 2:17:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"...Paranoid Personality disorder... Owned guns and ammo..." TEA Party Boy
32 posted on 06/14/2011 2:17:50 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: DonaldC
He's definitely a bad dude but the reason he was out to run a stop sign in front of police officers was (ta ta taaaa daaa duh) "THEY LET HIM OUT".

Here they have a guy who is known to be very mentally ill and they just turned him loose ~ to do what?

The neighbors aren't afraid, but the cops are, and rightly so. Reminds me a lot of Bucky Phillips in New York ~ he managed to tie down a considerable part of both the New York and Pennsylvania State Police.

There's a judge out there who should be even more afraid ~ he should be FIRED!

33 posted on 06/14/2011 2:18:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Teotwawki

Another Ruby Ridge?


34 posted on 06/14/2011 2:22:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Can't say as I can bring myself to condemn this guys actions.

I live in the home of militias and am generally supportive but I've encountered more than a few who are anything but freedom loving constitutionalists. I live less than 1000 yards from one of the Hutaree members who was arrested a couple of years back. Granted the raid and arrest were wrong but the guy who lives near me is not someone I would want to have any kind of power. He's more of an anarchist than anything.
35 posted on 06/14/2011 2:25:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Teotwawki
said that Project 7 also conspired to kill local police officers, judges and county prosecutors.

This seems to be the standard package of crap thrown in for arrests or propaganda involving militia personalities or "militia types."

36 posted on 06/14/2011 2:27:33 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: muawiyah
Here they have a guy who is known to be very mentally ill and they just turned him loose ~ to do what?

As I posted upthread. Pete King's hearings are heating up again and somebody needs the distraction of a dangerous right wing militia fugitive on the loose.
37 posted on 06/14/2011 2:28:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Borax Queen

I wonder what happens if people refuse to join Obamacare or pay fines?


38 posted on 06/14/2011 2:28:19 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: servantboy777

That’s called an “arsenal” in repressive statist lingo.


39 posted on 06/14/2011 2:30:15 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2
You feel uneasy because he's out on parole! His priors include actual possession of a machinegun, with ammo.

He has been DIAGNOSED as a paranoid schizophrenic.

That would make anyone very concerned, even the concern trolls ~ they really would.

A parole board and a federal judge created this situation.

40 posted on 06/14/2011 2:31:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Georgia Girl 2
You feel uneasy because he's out on parole! His priors include actual possession of a machinegun, with ammo.

He has been DIAGNOSED as a paranoid schizophrenic.

That would make anyone very concerned, even the concern trolls ~ they really would.

A parole board and a federal judge created this situation.

41 posted on 06/14/2011 2:31:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Personally I think it would be best to let him wander in the woods for a while to calm down. It doesn’t mean I think he’s innocent but hunting him isn’t going to lend itself to a peaceful solution.


42 posted on 06/14/2011 2:36:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Dead Corpse
Machine guns are especially dangerous, particularly in the right hands.

I did the machine gun score you hear in "The Green Beret", a John Wayne Movie.

Couldn't hear for two weeks, but those precision bursts of 3, bursts of 4, bursts of 6 ~ that's me. It's not just tattitatat.

If need be I could have dismantled wood frame houses with a few hundred rounds.

Although I do believe the government owes it to me and should provide me with my very own M60 and a couple of pallets of ammunition, I don't believe you can be trusted with one of those devices. They really are too much for the untrained.

43 posted on 06/14/2011 2:37:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

Like, all things considered, what’s he going to do out there? Steal campers’ food from bears or what?


44 posted on 06/14/2011 2:38:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Teotwawki; HiTech RedNeck; DonaldC; ironwill; Cheetahcat; 2harddrive; Lurking Libertarian; ...

Whether he is a bad guy, a nut, or a good guy “one of us” being framed, we’ll never know.

And these type examples should put paid to the silly notion that somehow there will be widespread armed resistance of the 18th century variety against 21st century jackboots.

They will divide and conquer easily. They will call you a gun hoarder, claim you abused your children, assaulted your ex-girlfriend once....

Simultaneous, organized resistance is one thing. But if it’s not organized, and it’s not concerted, then teotwaki for rkba will just be a news-blackout of thousands of these assaults one at a time.

When the shtf, they’ll pull the plug, isolate us, put out the alert for neighbors to turn in suspicious “lilly-white terrorists” and they will be able to whittle away at us one by one. They won’t even go door to door. It will be a neighborhood here, a neighbor there. Tomorrow, a different town, then next door. Then another neighborhood, then you.

No matter. Hey, what’s on TV tonight?


45 posted on 06/14/2011 2:44:25 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Burgert pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess illegal firearms

What exactly does that mean ? He conspired to possess illegal firearms and did some inquiries ?

46 posted on 06/14/2011 2:44:32 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: sam_paine

How about this ~ let’s take over the government through elections FIRST and then round them up.


47 posted on 06/14/2011 2:45:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Eric Rudolph is a perfect example of how many of these situations might end once the pressure is off. A deputy stumbled across him and Rudolph gave up without a fight.


48 posted on 06/14/2011 2:46:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: muawiyah

Let’s hope we still have that option and the electorate is not gone so far down the raathole to choose it!


49 posted on 06/14/2011 2:47:52 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Flathead, Montana?

Isn’t that where Chuck Baldwin recently moved to?

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin652.htm

I voted for Chuck for potus in ‘08!


50 posted on 06/14/2011 2:48:10 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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