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Posted on 06/14/2011 9:53:10 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
ISLAMABAD: The US has established contacts with Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar to negotiate an end to the conflict in Afghanistan, a media report said on Tuesday.
Abdul Haqiq, a former Afghan Taliban spokesman who used the alias Mohammad Hanif, played a key role in helping Washington reach out to Mullah Omar, The Express Tribune newspaper quoted a source as saying.
Haqiq was arrested by US and Afghan intelligence agents in Afghanistan in June 2007. He was one of the high profile Afghan Taliban spokesmen along with Yousuf Ahmadi, appointed after chief spokesman Abdul Latif Hakimi was arrested in October 2005 in Pakistan.
Several claims have been made so far by the US about negotiations with the Taliban but Islamabad and Kabul were never taken into confidence over the talks, the report said. The US reportedly offered the Taliban control over southern Afghanistan, leaving the north for other political forces under American influence.
However, this was rejected by the Taliban. "The acceptance of such a proposal could not be possible for the Taliban as it could lead to the disintegration of Afghanistan," said former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Hamid Gul.
The daily quoted a Pakistani diplomat in Kabul as being optimistic about the talks. "The Taliban are aware that it will be difficult to defeat foreign troops in Afghanistan or capture the entire country.
"Similarly, the US is also aware that it cannot defeat the Taliban in the next few years," the unnamed diplomat said. A senior official in Pakistan's foreign office was not as sure of the success of the US-Taliban talks. "Such talks are bound to fail as Washington is trying to achieve its goals without taking (Afghan President Hamid) Karzai into confidence." the official said.
April 12, 2009, 12.44am IST | Opinion
If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the "moderate Taliban" in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are "extremists".
Welcome to Obama's first big mistake.
The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.
Washington has a single dimension definition of "moderate": anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a "moderate". Let me introduce him to a couple of "moderate Taliban". They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.
Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the "moderate" music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.
These Taliban are "moderate" by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.
Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this 'fake'. Chand Bibi has "denied" any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?
Such compromise with 'moderation' has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistan's upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law "worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam". It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives "against their will". Karzai's justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.
If it's democracy, it must be "moderate", right?
One can understand a post-Iraq America's reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of "Afpak".
Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistan's strategic interests to Pakistan's. The ISI conceived an "Afpak" long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washington's thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Taliban's legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistan's interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The "moderation" theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. India's anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.
History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.
There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.
Does Dead know this?
This is what happens when you don’t have the simple brains to declare war on islam, no matter the cost(talking to you Bush). Everyone wants to give Reagan props for getting back the hostages. He showed a fatal weakness. The inability to send unmistakable punishment to Iran, even with the return of the hostages. The West has a inability to fight back effectively unless it’s very life is at stake. This is the weakness of our interpretation of Christianity, imho.
The weakness arises due to the fatal mistake of recognising Islam as a religion, IMO.
Let’s start with a gift! How about a new smart phone?
I think that’s part of it but I really feel that modern Christianity, especially the Protestant part, won’t fight a obvious fight until a knife is at it’s throat. I don’t think that was what Christ would want, but that’s all I see from any denomination.
One of the last things Christ said to his disciples, before his Crucifiction, was to ask how many swords they had. He was told two (see my name). I’ve never had anyone explain satisfactorily what he meant by that. I’m not vain enough to say I know. But if I could surmise it would be that you have to follow my word but you also have to use your brains to defend yourself so you can worship me. I really think he was giving us the ok to defend our religion in this one simple saying.
What if Nazi, or Communist, called themselves a ‘religion’ (which they are in a way) would we not be ‘allowed’ to fight them?
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Indeed it is, and a dangerous one at that.
The US has established contacts with Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar to negotiate an end to the conflict in Afghanistan, . .
Weren't we trying to kill Omar before? Didn't we have him in our sites once, a green light, and we called it off? Why are we even negotiating with him? Something every day. . .
And so, Obozo plots our surrender!!
If this had been WW2, this administration would have negotiated a "peaceful" end and withdrawal with Hitler, and let "moderate" nazis control europe......
I wish I was embellishing, but considering the absolute hatred and disdain that Obama showed regarding Winston Churchill (packing his bust up and mailing it back to England, insultingly), I think I am on the mark.
Contact? Does Barack Hussein Obama need Mullah Muhammad Omar to lead prayers this Friday in the Oval Office?
What a traitorous idiot.
I wonder if OThuga is going to
offer to . . . uhhhh . . . service . . . him in the Lincoln bedroom as a bonus?
Absolutely correct. When every citizen of America understands that islam is a 7th century socio-political system of tyrannical control of the individual and society with religious trappings as a 'cover,' then we will work to aggressively eradicate this evil from the face of the earth.
To put it mildly, islam is not a healthy way of life. I wonder what the incidence and prevalence of psychosomatic illness is amongst members of islam? Must be horrible to not have any freedom at all, no choices, no original thoughts, your life and movements totally controlled. All that frustration, aggravation and disappointment has to be denied and repressed. . . I bet the body 'pays for it.'
On one level, I really feel sorry for the individual people, especially the women, caught in the web of islam. .
Are we at war with islam or not? Are we at war with communism or not? Are we at war with tyranny, foreign and domestic, or not? Are we going to take our country back? First things first. .
The only thing we can be sure of is
ISLAM IS AT WAR WITH US !
Very interesting. All out War with islam, if not now, when? When they get nukes? And btw, Iran is online to have them within 2 months. Is Bibi going to hit them? We're not going to do anything? I hope he goes for it. Godspeed.
We have to starve the islamic beast by first getting totally energy independent. Hurry up Sarah!
My high school team was called The Crusaders! I guess it's in my blood.
They would cut our throats in a heartbeat and we want to talk. . . What ever happened to, "You never, never, ever negotiate with terrorists."?
We’re fighting them like the Crusaders, so far. In other words, incompetently. We can’t just outright attack them because of their numbers and their relationships with Russia and China. It’s a new proxy war. The USA against the commie proxies.
We had the momentum after 9-11 and blew it. And this isn’t hindisght either. I knew that day this was the West against islam. Our leaders were just to globalized to care for their own citizens. Not a bush fan in any way. Nor his friends. They’re not going to like the after-life much.
I've been saying this since 9/12/2001. Islam is a theocracy, and not a mere religion. It cannot be allowed in America.
Very good point about using our brains to defend ourselves to be able to worship. I’ve been trying to say that for awhile, but you said it very well!
Here’s a simple solution.
We sit down with Putin and the Chinese leadership. We all have a terror problem. We take the Mid-East oil and other mineral resources, divide it equally and kill their fanatics. That’s all Russia/China want, so let them have 1/3 of it each...suddenly resistance vanishes.
The people there who wish to disavow Islam get the
Mid-East cities and jobs and will be slowly, over time integrated with the world when they prove themselves capable of civilization. They get one chance to answer the question “Will you abandon Islam?” Those who aren’t are immediately put in the desert naked and surrounded by our combined forces until starvation/dehydration sets in.
Sure, it’s a horrible thing to contemplate. They are human beings after all. But they would have the choice every free man ha. Choose good or evil. If they choose evil, then kill them. Any new fanatics in the cities renig/pop up, sudden death applies.
As for all the lib groups who would freak out, (only a problem for us, not Russia/China) Try them for treason against the people of the US whose lives they endanger.
And Israel would finally have a chance at true peace.
Sure it’s colonialism. No it’s not genocide. Sure it’s an awful thing to contemplate. War is hell. It’s also the only thing short of nuking them all till they glow eternally that will have a chance of ever ending the problem.
He’s not dead...we know that for sure.
The question is, will dead start keeping his eye out for him again?
We are in a battle between Good and Evil. islam is a sideshow and a distraction. I don’t care how many weapons they have, they are always out-classed and they are perpetual losers.
All govt’s have been swamped by financial treachery and drug money.
We cannot win back our govt’s from the money they’re making without a massacre of them or us. They know this and have been preparing the massacre. That’s the reason for all the immigration in all of the Western countries.
This life is but a testing ground. Test well and go w Jesus.
You are on the right track, but lack one key: The LORD is a Warrior, and He NEVER, EVER plays defense — NOT EVER.
The Almighty YHVH is AT WAR against Evil, and all who gain entrance into His Kingdom by the Blood of Jesus are thrust into the midst of that War by virtue of the fact that they have chosen sides. Fatally for many, The Church in general does NOT teach this nearly prominently enough. Consequently, many who are new to the faith are so bewildered when they get blasted shortly after their conversion that they retreat back to their former lives; and many who have been in the faith for years are in the spiritual equivalent of a fetal ball just trying to make it through to the end of their threescore and ten.
Jesus taught, "The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force."
That's "suffers" in the SAME sense as "Suffer the children to come unto me," as in allow, permit, encourage, approve, and condone. Quite contrary to some teaching, the clear word of Christ is that militancy in The Kingdom is expected, and it is those who are spiritually militant are truly laying hold of The Kingdom; asserting their Christian birthright in Christ Jesus by actively engaging the spiritual war with intensity, power, and violent force.
FOR THE ONLY TRUE KING, AND HIS KINGDOM!!!
Jesus declared of The Church that "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it." Yet most of the Church acts as if gates are some sort of devastating offensive weapon.
St. Paul, in his epistle to the Ephesians discusses the Armor of God at length. Armor is not for hiding inside of; it is not to protect the Christian as he just stands there and takes every last thing the enemy wants to dish out; it is for the protection of a warrior actively engaging in close combat. The only defensive item on St. Paul's list, The Shield of Faith, is not noted as being used for defense in close combat, but is described as a defense against ranged weapons; fiery darts. It should be obvious, but it is often missed, that the fully-armored Christian relies first on swordsmanship, and second upon the armor for protection from the blows of his enemy in close combat.
NOTE, however, that St. Paul also makes quite clear that these are not physical weapons. but spiritual ones. Nevertheless, he asserts that their great spiritual potency has visible, tangible, physical impact.
I would point out one critical thing, here: most of modern Christianity, even where it is militant, looks to the physical to rectify evil in the world; looking to money, guns and armies to get the heavy lifting done. By contrast, in the closing chapters of Revelation we see that the Triumphant Christ achieves his final victory using a "sword that comes out of his mouth." HE SPEAKS. The scripture declares "life and death are in the power of the tongue." How much more so when the tongue is declaring the very Word of God?
3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angels hand.
5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.
— Revelation 8:3-5 NKJV
And there it is, right there. The PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS are offered upon the altar of incense, and subsequently FROM THAT SAME ALTAR, the fire and incense are scooped up in a censer, and hurled to the Earth, and the judgment of Almighty God is unleashed. This is a poignant image of the mind-numbing potency of the PRAYING CHURCH; a Church wielding The Sword of The Spirit in prayer with literally Earth-shattering effectiveness.
No, God never plays defense; neither should The Church be playing defense. But carnal weapons, though they be necessary and useful, will not ultimately be what achieves spiritual aims. You would see the false faith of Islam thrown down? Well and good: PRAY! PRAY as if your life depends upon it, and get as many other who will to join you.
For 1400 years those ragheaded adherents to Mohammed have been praying five times a day to their benighted piece of asteroid in Mecca. And do you not know that this devotion gives real power to the darkness that moves Islam? What does fat butt, pew-sitting, milktoast western Christianity have RIGHT NOW that contends with THAT; better homes and gardens? Gimme a BREAK!
Christians are admonished in the New Testament to pray continually (I Thess. 5:17), and THAT in the context of St. Paul teaching about the End Times, but show me the church that prays without ceasing. Show me the church that teaches the criticality of it?
I know of ONE, and there are independent satellites beginning to spring up, but the hour is late, and most of Christianity in the West remains in a siege mentality; huddling behind walls hoping the bread holds out until help comes. The Church generally MUST get a clear vision of Who God IS; that He isn't all about "gentle Jesus, meek and mild."
7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory?
The LORD strong and mighty,
The LORD mighty in battle.
— Psalm 24:7 & 8 NKJV
The Lord will go forth like a mighty man, He will rouse up His zealous indignation and vengeance like a warrior; He will cry, yes, He will shout aloud, He will do mightily against His enemies.
— Isaiah 42:13 AMP
1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? This that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength?
"I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth."
— Isaiah 62:1-6 KJV
THAT is the Jesus who will break the neck of Islam, set its multitudinous captives free, and pitch it headlong into eternal damnation, and THAT Jesus returns to a church that has been watching AND PRAYING.
Americans were MURDERED by thousands, and Obama
and the DNC HELP THE MURDERERS (Holder's people).
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
President Ronald Reagan
All of this is nonsense. The US is not negotiating with this clown. This article lacks something: a single shred of evidence.
I may be wrong, Im not sure, but didnt Jesus say that prayer should be private and not something done infront of others, that when you pray you need to be direct and not ramble on, I think its Matthew 6:5-7.
I am no scholar on the bible but Im of the belief that its a sin to murder, which is regarded differently than killing.
I remember there was a Priest in China I think who said something that got a little press at the time. Something along the lines of “those who have not suffered do not understand christianity”. I am certain that was not his exact quote but it was something controversial namely because it pointed out that americans can never really be christian because we have never suffered. I have to say that i believe this to some extent. This is the country where people on welfare earn more than minimum wage in most countries. This is the country where we have made megachurches into businesses with multi millionaire priests claiming how devout they are and fake healing people to the cheers of thousands upon thousands, knowingly scamming people to get donations. In any case, my flight is in 20 mins and I have to board.
let to US losing a major war - not on the battlefield where it was clearly won - but lost in Washington, DC
I liked the post about giving them a nice gift, like a brand new SMART PHONE !!
Ah, but that might actual Aid the U.S. if we did that, so Obama won’t think about that.
This Marxist Obama had to take SIXTEEN HOURS to think about whether to take out Osama? A NO-BRAINER takes him that long to think about? I can only imagine he had to think about the POLITICAL implications for HIMSELF if he said GO or if he said NO! Absolutely that is what that 16 hours was for. I bet he huddled with his lefty cronies before finally arriving at the decision that ANY OTHER PRESIDENT would have immediately come to.
God save us if this Marxist gets another four years.
Sorry for the double post. I dunno how that happened. I know I click just once.