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United States establishes contact with Mullah Omar [Taliban Chief]
The Times of India ^ | June 15, 2011 | The Times of India

Posted on 06/14/2011 9:53:10 PM PDT by James C. Bennett

ISLAMABAD: The US has established contacts with Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar to negotiate an end to the conflict in Afghanistan, a media report said on Tuesday.

Abdul Haqiq, a former Afghan Taliban spokesman who used the alias Mohammad Hanif, played a key role in helping Washington reach out to Mullah Omar, The Express Tribune newspaper quoted a source as saying.

Haqiq was arrested by US and Afghan intelligence agents in Afghanistan in June 2007. He was one of the high profile Afghan Taliban spokesmen along with Yousuf Ahmadi, appointed after chief spokesman Abdul Latif Hakimi was arrested in October 2005 in Pakistan.

Several claims have been made so far by the US about negotiations with the Taliban but Islamabad and Kabul were never taken into confidence over the talks, the report said. The US reportedly offered the Taliban control over southern Afghanistan, leaving the north for other political forces under American influence.

However, this was rejected by the Taliban. "The acceptance of such a proposal could not be possible for the Taliban as it could lead to the disintegration of Afghanistan," said former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Hamid Gul.

The daily quoted a Pakistani diplomat in Kabul as being optimistic about the talks. "The Taliban are aware that it will be difficult to defeat foreign troops in Afghanistan or capture the entire country.

"Similarly, the US is also aware that it cannot defeat the Taliban in the next few years," the unnamed diplomat said. A senior official in Pakistan's foreign office was not as sure of the success of the US-Taliban talks. "Such talks are bound to fail as Washington is trying to achieve its goals without taking (Afghan President Hamid) Karzai into confidence." the official said.

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To: James C. Bennett
I'd rather have SEAL Team six making the contact instead of Obama.
21 posted on 06/14/2011 11:30:31 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: TwoSwords

Very good point about using our brains to defend ourselves to be able to worship. I’ve been trying to say that for awhile, but you said it very well!

22 posted on 06/15/2011 12:21:37 AM PDT by bb2u
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To: TwoSwords

Here’s a simple solution.

We sit down with Putin and the Chinese leadership. We all have a terror problem. We take the Mid-East oil and other mineral resources, divide it equally and kill their fanatics. That’s all Russia/China want, so let them have 1/3 of it each...suddenly resistance vanishes.

The people there who wish to disavow Islam get the
Mid-East cities and jobs and will be slowly, over time integrated with the world when they prove themselves capable of civilization. They get one chance to answer the question “Will you abandon Islam?” Those who aren’t are immediately put in the desert naked and surrounded by our combined forces until starvation/dehydration sets in.

Sure, it’s a horrible thing to contemplate. They are human beings after all. But they would have the choice every free man ha. Choose good or evil. If they choose evil, then kill them. Any new fanatics in the cities renig/pop up, sudden death applies.

As for all the lib groups who would freak out, (only a problem for us, not Russia/China) Try them for treason against the people of the US whose lives they endanger.

And Israel would finally have a chance at true peace.

Sure it’s colonialism. No it’s not genocide. Sure it’s an awful thing to contemplate. War is hell. It’s also the only thing short of nuking them all till they glow eternally that will have a chance of ever ending the problem.

23 posted on 06/15/2011 12:32:30 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: pbear8; dead

He’s not dead...we know that for sure.

The question is, will dead start keeping his eye out for him again?

24 posted on 06/15/2011 12:48:10 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

We are in a battle between Good and Evil. islam is a sideshow and a distraction. I don’t care how many weapons they have, they are always out-classed and they are perpetual losers.
All govt’s have been swamped by financial treachery and drug money.
We cannot win back our govt’s from the money they’re making without a massacre of them or us. They know this and have been preparing the massacre. That’s the reason for all the immigration in all of the Western countries.
This life is but a testing ground. Test well and go w Jesus.

25 posted on 06/15/2011 1:08:19 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords
I really think he was giving us the ok to defend our religion in this one simple saying.

You are on the right track, but lack one key: The LORD is a Warrior, and He NEVER, EVER plays defense — NOT EVER.

The Almighty YHVH is AT WAR against Evil, and all who gain entrance into His Kingdom by the Blood of Jesus are thrust into the midst of that War by virtue of the fact that they have chosen sides. Fatally for many, The Church in general does NOT teach this nearly prominently enough. Consequently, many who are new to the faith are so bewildered when they get blasted shortly after their conversion that they retreat back to their former lives; and many who have been in the faith for years are in the spiritual equivalent of a fetal ball just trying to make it through to the end of their threescore and ten.

Jesus taught, "The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force."

That's "suffers" in the SAME sense as "Suffer the children to come unto me," as in allow, permit, encourage, approve, and condone. Quite contrary to some teaching, the clear word of Christ is that militancy in The Kingdom is expected, and it is those who are spiritually militant are truly laying hold of The Kingdom; asserting their Christian birthright in Christ Jesus by actively engaging the spiritual war with intensity, power, and violent force.


Jesus declared of The Church that "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it." Yet most of the Church acts as if gates are some sort of devastating offensive weapon.

St. Paul, in his epistle to the Ephesians discusses the Armor of God at length. Armor is not for hiding inside of; it is not to protect the Christian as he just stands there and takes every last thing the enemy wants to dish out; it is for the protection of a warrior actively engaging in close combat. The only defensive item on St. Paul's list, The Shield of Faith, is not noted as being used for defense in close combat, but is described as a defense against ranged weapons; fiery darts. It should be obvious, but it is often missed, that the fully-armored Christian relies first on swordsmanship, and second upon the armor for protection from the blows of his enemy in close combat.

NOTE, however, that St. Paul also makes quite clear that these are not physical weapons. but spiritual ones. Nevertheless, he asserts that their great spiritual potency has visible, tangible, physical impact.

I would point out one critical thing, here: most of modern Christianity, even where it is militant, looks to the physical to rectify evil in the world; looking to money, guns and armies to get the heavy lifting done. By contrast, in the closing chapters of Revelation we see that the Triumphant Christ achieves his final victory using a "sword that comes out of his mouth." HE SPEAKS. The scripture declares "life and death are in the power of the tongue." How much more so when the tongue is declaring the very Word of God?

3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.
5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.
— Revelation 8:3-5 NKJV

And there it is, right there. The PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS are offered upon the altar of incense, and subsequently FROM THAT SAME ALTAR, the fire and incense are scooped up in a censer, and hurled to the Earth, and the judgment of Almighty God is unleashed. This is a poignant image of the mind-numbing potency of the PRAYING CHURCH; a Church wielding The Sword of The Spirit in prayer with literally Earth-shattering effectiveness.

No, God never plays defense; neither should The Church be playing defense. But carnal weapons, though they be necessary and useful, will not ultimately be what achieves spiritual aims. You would see the false faith of Islam thrown down? Well and good: PRAY! PRAY as if your life depends upon it, and get as many other who will to join you.

For 1400 years those ragheaded adherents to Mohammed have been praying five times a day to their benighted piece of asteroid in Mecca. And do you not know that this devotion gives real power to the darkness that moves Islam? What does fat butt, pew-sitting, milktoast western Christianity have RIGHT NOW that contends with THAT; better homes and gardens? Gimme a BREAK!

Christians are admonished in the New Testament to pray continually (I Thess. 5:17), and THAT in the context of St. Paul teaching about the End Times, but show me the church that prays without ceasing. Show me the church that teaches the criticality of it?

I know of ONE, and there are independent satellites beginning to spring up, but the hour is late, and most of Christianity in the West remains in a siege mentality; huddling behind walls hoping the bread holds out until help comes. The Church generally MUST get a clear vision of Who God IS; that He isn't all about "gentle Jesus, meek and mild."

7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory?
The LORD strong and mighty,
The LORD mighty in battle.
— Psalm 24:7 & 8 NKJV

The Lord will go forth like a mighty man, He will rouse up His zealous indignation and vengeance like a warrior; He will cry, yes, He will shout aloud, He will do mightily against His enemies.
— Isaiah 42:13 AMP

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? This that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength?

"I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?

3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth."
— Isaiah 62:1-6 KJV

THAT is the Jesus who will break the neck of Islam, set its multitudinous captives free, and pitch it headlong into eternal damnation, and THAT Jesus returns to a church that has been watching AND PRAYING.

26 posted on 06/15/2011 2:31:44 AM PDT by HKMk23 (YHVH NEVER PLAYS DEFENSE!)
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To: James C. Bennett
Obama and the DNC work AGAINST America.

Americans were MURDERED by thousands, and Obama
and the DNC HELP THE MURDERERS (Holder's people).

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
President Ronald Reagan

27 posted on 06/15/2011 3:06:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: James C. Bennett

All of this is nonsense. The US is not negotiating with this clown. This article lacks something: a single shred of evidence.

28 posted on 06/15/2011 3:57:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: HKMk23

I may be wrong, Im not sure, but didnt Jesus say that prayer should be private and not something done infront of others, that when you pray you need to be direct and not ramble on, I think its Matthew 6:5-7.

I am no scholar on the bible but Im of the belief that its a sin to murder, which is regarded differently than killing.

I remember there was a Priest in China I think who said something that got a little press at the time. Something along the lines of “those who have not suffered do not understand christianity”. I am certain that was not his exact quote but it was something controversial namely because it pointed out that americans can never really be christian because we have never suffered. I have to say that i believe this to some extent. This is the country where people on welfare earn more than minimum wage in most countries. This is the country where we have made megachurches into businesses with multi millionaire priests claiming how devout they are and fake healing people to the cheers of thousands upon thousands, knowingly scamming people to get donations. In any case, my flight is in 20 mins and I have to board.

29 posted on 06/15/2011 4:25:29 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: Crim
recall Kerry meeting with the VietCong in France???

let to US losing a major war - not on the battlefield where it was clearly won - but lost in Washington, DC

30 posted on 06/15/2011 5:29:54 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; James C. Bennett; devolve; Fiddlstix; PhilDragoo; potlatch; y'all

I liked the post about giving them a nice gift, like a brand new SMART PHONE !!

Ah, but that might actual Aid the U.S. if we did that, so Obama won’t think about that.

This Marxist Obama had to take SIXTEEN HOURS to think about whether to take out Osama? A NO-BRAINER takes him that long to think about? I can only imagine he had to think about the POLITICAL implications for HIMSELF if he said GO or if he said NO! Absolutely that is what that 16 hours was for. I bet he huddled with his lefty cronies before finally arriving at the decision that ANY OTHER PRESIDENT would have immediately come to.

God save us if this Marxist gets another four years.

31 posted on 06/15/2011 7:53:14 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Good to see you online, Mr. Meek. Thanks for the ping.
What you say is spot on target! You nailed it!
32 posted on 06/15/2011 10:36:55 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: MeekOneGOP; All

Sorry for the double post. I dunno how that happened. I know I click just once.

34 posted on 06/15/2011 10:41:02 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: MeekOneGOP
Hi Meek! I have doubts that Obozo made the decision to get Osama.......think he was forced into it and then sat in the 'kiddie chair' to watch, lol.

35 posted on 06/15/2011 11:53:01 AM PDT by potlatch
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