William L. Bryan aka PJ Foggy
Posted on 06/16/2011 5:12:32 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Yeah, that does kind of throw a chink in his theory, you're right.
So the legal requirement to have ‘Amended’ on the face of an amended BC release is just somehting to ignore? I see, I see
Sven’s story is interesting, but another problem I see with this theory is the sealed original BC.
I was adopted, original sealed, I am pretty sure all I have to do is ask the Court to unseal it. I think BO/BS can do the same IF this is the case.
This is something that I have pondered myself. My understanding is that Hawaiian law requires a notation if a birth certificate has been amended. At the moment, i'm operating on the assumption that this only applies to amendments requested by the parent or guardian, but do not hold in the case of amendment by adoption or otherwise ordered by a judge. Were birth certificates which were amended by adoption to require a notation that they have been amended by adoption, it would defeat the purpose of preventing the child from knowing they are adopted.
I've recently looked at Hawaiian adoption laws, and they have a quite extensive body of language regarding secrecy and privacy for adopted children.
Of course, at this point, I am willing to consider all sorts of peculiarities from the state of Hawaii, up to and including accidentally or purposefully violating their own laws. Hawaiian law says they will provide a birth certificate to any election official that requests it for the purposes of an election.
Yeah, I just bet they will. Even assuming they did, would it be the Original, or the Adoption amended version?
Well, since we have yet to see an authentic Barry LFBC or COLB, your guess is as good as mine.
I am adopted as well, but I have the good fortune to posses copies of my original birth certificate AND my "official" certified birth certificate. As a result, i'm quite familiar with the fact that you cannot accept whatever the state "certifies" at face value, because they will not tell you that you are looking at the birth certificate of an adopted child. They aren't allowed.
There is some evidence that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, at least under Indonesian law. I don't know of any evidence that proves Obama was adopted under Hawaiian law, but it is not a stretch to believe he was. (again, the state will neither confirm nor deny.)
For the office of the Presidency, no state should be permitted to play games with a question of eligibility. The state should be required to produce the ORIGINAL document that verifies his birth, signed by a witness to the event, adopted. amended, or otherwise. I suspect that document will prove to be an At home birth affidavit, as described by Fukino as half written half typed.
William L. Bryan aka PJ Foggy
I have for a long time assumed that Barry's birth certificate, when it eventually sees the light, will be based on an "at home birth" affidavit sworn by his Grandmother, Madelyn Dunham. This notion dovetails quite nicely with my current working theory as to what is the truth. It also fits the description of what Fukino said she saw in the records. She described it as "half written, half typed", which is pretty much what I would expect an "at home birth" affidavit to look like. Madelyn Dunham wrote out what happened on a piece of paper, and the registrar typed it out on that same paper, signed and stamped it.
Call me nuts, but this theory fits all the available information of which I am aware, and makes sense besides. Till a piece of information surfaces which makes it implausible, this is what i'm going with.
placemark -
Nobody has more or better debunking information than the crew at the Fogbow. We rule, and birthers drool.
Did you all know that the “Fogbow” has a “hit list” (sarc) with names and photos of “Birther” blog owners. Some Freepers are on it.
It’s creepy as hell. They are raging nuts if you read the comments! And the Pj Foggy dude is crying foul because a photo of himself and his children is published on WND.
Not like it was from a hacked source. PJ Fogfrucky probably had it up on Facebook or something, it’s tagged “photobucket”.
The kids are not named. The article does not state that those are his kids - he did that himself.
So, he does all this crazy stuff, AND collects pictures of Conservative bloggers (some taken IN PERSON by his crazed cohorts at events), puts those up with a call to harass those people to within an inch of their lives.
And this guy is crying that he isn’t being treated fairly?
HILARIOUS!!!!
We should not be surprised that vermin like Bryan are in middle Tennessee ... Gore’s little angel son was the one who got caught regarding Sarah’s data, IIRC. Democrats are dead souls. They have no evil they will not commit if they believe it will empower them. And if anyone doubts that, it is the democrat party which has used the slaughter of tens of millions of alive unborn children as their empowerment tool. Bryan is no different from other dead soul democrats in Tennessee.
“I was adopted, original sealed, I am pretty sure all I have to do is ask the Court to unseal it. I think BO/BS can do the same IF this is the case.”
Hawaii and a few other states allow an adult adoptee to have their OLFBC unsealed and copied on a case by case basis. I believe Obama does have a copy of his OLFBC in his possession (or held by his personal attorney), but he chooses not to show an unedited version of it to the public.
The procedure of sealing and archiving an OLFBC is a standard practice for an adoption. If the adoption is annulled, then the OLFBC is not unsealed an unarchived. In an annulment, the COLB with the adoptive parents names are sealed and archived and the biological parents names are written on a new COLB.
It’s unfortunate a few people have insisted only one SSN is issued for each successful applicant. It’s quite possible an adoptee may have two original applications with the SSA resulting in two valid SSNs. For example, the biological parents apply for a SSN for their child and are successful. Years later, the biological parents lose custody of the child, like Obama’s mother. In some circumstances, the case manager for the child in foster could legally apply for an original, new SSN to prevent or minimize the chance of the child become a victim of identity theft.
If Obama has more than one SSN, it’s because he had an SSN with his parents before they lost custody and then another after he was put into the fostercare system.
Sven, Obama has 58 SSNs. He is a con artist.
How can such legislation possibly "prevent" Obama from appearing on the ballots...??? He's already shown us scans of both his short form *and* long form birth certificate, - has he not...??
Is he trying to insinuate that those aren't really images of valid documents??
And this doofus was actually a lawyer...??
“Sven, Obama has 58 SSNs. He is a con artist.”
Each SS-5, application for SSN, is examined and supporting documents are verified by an examiner at the SSA. The results of the examination and verification are coded under specific policies and procedures.
Examining Obama’s alleged SSNs and applications is not enough. The results of the examinations of the documents provided with each application is what is important.
Orly is asking for the form his case manager in Connecticut filled out and nothing more. It proves nothing ... other than Obama had a case manager located in Connecticut handling his legal paperwork. A person in fostercare isn’t eliminated from being eligible for POTUS.
Orly needs to get the code generated by the SSA after the SS-5, Application for SSN, was processed.
“The idiot has a section regarding “birther legislation” which he claims is designed to prevent Obama from appearing on 2012 ballots! Huh!?”
Which idiot are you referring to?
Sven, I've always liked your logical theories, and often hope for them to be true, but that one is pretty weak. It sounds like an extremely far-fetched reason.
So he got his own SSN at age 14 for the Baskin Robins job, then an ARO in Connecticut (United Way, if I understand your posting history correctly) got him a different one in 1977 when he was 15 and a half?
Then there is no record of him using the 2nd one for almost ten years, until 1986, when he is 25 years old (not counting the forged back-dated draft registration)
Sorry, I'm not buyin' it this time.
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