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Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design
CNN ^ | June 17, 2011 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 06/17/2011 5:37:57 PM PDT by ejdrapes

Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design
By CNN Political Reporter Peter Hamby

New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) – Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann explained her skepticism of evolution on Friday and said students should be taught the theory of intelligent design.

Bachmann, a congresswoman from Minnesota, also proposed a major overhaul of the nation’s education system and said state administrators should be able to decide how they spend money allocated to them by the federal government.

"I support intelligent design," Bachmann told reporters in New Orleans following her speech to the Republican Leadership Conference. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don't think it's a good idea for government to come down on one side of scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides."

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Go Michele!
1 posted on 06/17/2011 5:37:58 PM PDT by ejdrapes
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To: ejdrapes
Ms. Bachmann obviously had to clear this, too,
with BOTH Mitt Romney and Rollins, first.
She is being set up, step by step.

She is an embarrassment to women AND conservatives.


2 posted on 06/17/2011 5:42:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: ejdrapes
I like Michele, but I do not agree. Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as such.
3 posted on 06/17/2011 5:44:54 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: ejdrapes

Bachmann pushing intelligent design and other “extreme” religious right agenda items will ensure that she and whomever she partners with will lose.

For gosh sakes, don’t go so far right just because the nut in the whitehouse is far left. It’s not worth that gamble of losing.

Center right is the ticket for a win.
Palin/West


4 posted on 06/17/2011 5:45:02 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: ejdrapes

Bump.


6 posted on 06/17/2011 5:47:08 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: ejdrapes
state administrators should be able to decide how they spend money allocated to them by the federal government.

Big mistake. Any conservative candidate should be calling for elimination of the Federal Dept. of Education, and permanent eviction of the Feds from all activities not specifically named in the Constitution.

7 posted on 06/17/2011 5:47:22 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: ejdrapes

I think that this issue is not the hill to die upon. A candidate should not deign to discuss it. I think that evolution is one of the grandest hoax ever perpetrated, but the issue is not in the Top 100 issues for Americans right now. A President could discuss his or her thoughts about ID, but while this position may draw primary voters, it will make victory next November immeasurably more difficult.


9 posted on 06/17/2011 5:50:00 PM PDT by alstewartfan (When you're fresh out of lawyers, you don't know how good it's gonna feel! Al Stewart)
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To: Diogenesis

Still using the picture with the McCain Palin sign in the background.

Pure genius. LOL


10 posted on 06/17/2011 5:50:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Perdogg

>>I like Michele, but I do not agree. Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as such. <<

It is close to a “middle ground” position as a Conservative candidate can get. I am pretty sure it will never happen but when you get the base, you get the base with all its idiosyncrasies.

We can try to keep this discussion about the wisdom of her position more than fallacies of ID. But we shall see...


11 posted on 06/17/2011 5:50:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: ejdrapes
Intelligent design is not theory; it is Biblical truth. Science(evolution) is nothing but ever changing guesswork by people with too much liberal schooling.
13 posted on 06/17/2011 5:54:49 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (1 Cor. 15:1-4 Believe it!)
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To: Diogenesis

oWhy don’t you post those few pics of Palin and Romney at the Tea Party? You know, the one where she said it would be okay to share a ticket with the Mittster. Post that after you post Palin selling McCain as a Tea Party guy too. m’kay?

Then we will be fair.


14 posted on 06/17/2011 5:56:14 PM PDT by dforest
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To: freedumb2003

Is Bachmann a YEC? That’s the death knell nationally.


15 posted on 06/17/2011 5:57:01 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Diogenesis
Oh really. Source for that claim?

Note to the slime merchants. Don't expect to get away with whisper campaigns around here. Every time you slime any of the candidate, you are going to be challenged to put up or shut up.

These sort of scum bag political tactics have NO business being used by Conservatives.

16 posted on 06/17/2011 5:58:09 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: ejdrapes

Thyat’s a vote killer for me. She’s jumped the shark.


17 posted on 06/17/2011 5:58:09 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: ejdrapes
WHAT PART OF LOSE THE TAGLINE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
18 posted on 06/17/2011 6:00:37 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ejdrapes

This is too bad. Michelle is not as smart as I thought. She’s being sucked into an infinite morass of “gotcha” social issues the Marxist media is trying to tar her with.

All any GOP candidate for any office needs to do is stick to the following issues:

1. Reduce taxes and spending.

2. Do not increase the deficit.

3. Repeal Obamacare and replace it with real reform.

4. Repeal EPA authority over atmospheric gases.

5. Seal our borders from infiltraters.

6. Repeal all regulations and taxes obstructing the creation of jobs.

No matter what question is asked, you give only an answer for one of the above questions. It’s called “staying on message”, and no matter what you think of him, Scott Brown wrote the book on that, and it’s one of the main reasons he got elected.

I saw GOP candidate after candidate go down in flames in 2010 because they couldn’t keep their mouths shut and stay on message.

I hate to say it, but Michelle’s candidacy is probably over with. She’s already fallen prey to the left-wing’s vicious game of divisiveness.


19 posted on 06/17/2011 6:00:37 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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To: Perdogg

I’m more interested in the report this woman received $250,000 in farm subsidies. Is the report true, what are the facts? Is she receiving an ethanol subsidy, wind mill subsidy, solar panel subsidy? If so how much? What other “Federal Funds” is this “conservative” receiving-if any?


21 posted on 06/17/2011 6:02:45 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: ejdrapes
Not necessarily. But they should not teach "evolution" as a proxy for a first cause.

if they would simply teach the facts, anyone with any sense would see the evidence of design.

22 posted on 06/17/2011 6:03:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Lovers ARE fighters.)
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To: catnipman

Excellent observations. The MSM will be looking for gotcha statements from conservatives (never from the left).

When conservatives stay on message, we win. The message are those 6 points. Ronald Reagan had about six points and stayed on message and won.


23 posted on 06/17/2011 6:05:33 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: saganite; Perdogg
I support intelligent design," Bachmann told reporters in New Orleans following her speech to the Republican Leadership Conference. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don't think it's a good idea for government to come down on one side of scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides."

I see, you want us to just say screw the scientific method. You have your dogma, Evolution, as handed down to you by the high priests of the "Church of Science" and so anything that challenges those dogmas is heresy that must be purged.

You people have become the very thing you claim to be against. You are unthinking, reactionary and dogmatic.

What next for you all? Book Burnings? Auto De Fes?

24 posted on 06/17/2011 6:06:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: ejdrapes
The correct position as a presidential candidate is simply to say that "these decisions should be decided at a local and state level with parental involvement and the Federal Government should get out of the Education business altogether."


25 posted on 06/17/2011 6:06:33 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Science in science class. Theology in social studies or what have you.

Seems simple enough to me. Never saw the big deal over it.

People will decide for themselves.


26 posted on 06/17/2011 6:08:08 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: indylindy



27 posted on 06/17/2011 6:08:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: MNJohnnie

There is no scientific method in ID. It is simply an attempt to replace science in the classroom with religious dogma.


28 posted on 06/17/2011 6:08:27 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: ejdrapes

Intelligent Design may not be science, but it is common sense.

But Bachmann is wrong to venture here. As another poster said, STAY ON MESSAGE! She won’t gain many independents with this talk.


29 posted on 06/17/2011 6:08:27 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’d be happy if they just taught ‘em how to read and write.


30 posted on 06/17/2011 6:08:42 PM PDT by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: MNJohnnie
"Oh really. Source for that claim?"


Sadly some on this site feel no need to back up their claims by citing sources. The idea is to throw as much mud at the target as possible and hope that some of it sticks.
31 posted on 06/17/2011 6:09:31 PM PDT by rob777
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To: ejdrapes

LOSE IT AGAIN!


32 posted on 06/17/2011 6:10:11 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: MNJohnnie
These sort of scum bag political tactics have NO business being used by Conservatives.

The Bachmann/Romney narrative is 100% manufactured trash and they know it but continue to promote it anyway. Its no different than the liberals who continue to claim that Palin said she can see Russia from her porch.

People need to get themselves under control and ask themselves who they really want to be. I stuck a small cross on the wall right next to my monitor so I have the constant reminder of who I am and how I should behave. As a result, you won't see me attacking Sarah Palin or Herman Cain despite my preference for Bachmann.
33 posted on 06/17/2011 6:10:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Perdogg

I’m with you on that part but I do like this part:

“The federal government, she said, should “block grant all money currently that goes to the states back to the states, so that Louisiana can decide how they want to spend the money, which may in fact be different on how Minnesota spends its money.”

This would be a good start.


34 posted on 06/17/2011 6:10:40 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

if ID was taught in some other class (not science), I could go for that.


35 posted on 06/17/2011 6:11:01 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly the same here. I might not support this or that canidate but I will make the case FOR my choice, not slime theirs.


36 posted on 06/17/2011 6:15:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: catnipman; All

Soulless conservatism. I like it. s/


37 posted on 06/17/2011 6:16:45 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: huckfillary
FIRST GRADE PRIMER

See Obama golf.

See Michelle shop

See Weiner....

Oops, that was supposed to be included in the second grade primer.

38 posted on 06/17/2011 6:17:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: catnipman
This is too bad. Michelle is not as smart as I thought.

Definitely no brain sturgeon

39 posted on 06/17/2011 6:17:40 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Perdogg

Private schools.

Period.

Let each teach what is desired, and let the free market decide.

New concept (for libs).


40 posted on 06/17/2011 6:18:34 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I’m more interested in the report this woman received $250,000 in farm subsidies.

It is a lie circulated by the Huffington Post clown posse back in 2008 in an attempt to derail her congressional campaign. Her father in law ownes a farm, she has nothing to do with it. She has consistently voted against Farm Subsides,

...Bachmann made the controversial decision to vote against a five-year farm bill. The bill, which had been vetoed by Pres. George W. Bush, won the support of the two-thirds required in the House and Senate to override the veto. Bachmann not only voted against the bill — which both of Minnesota’s senators, including Republican Norm Coleman, and six of the eight members of the state’s congressional delegation, voted for — but was also outspoken in her opposition to it, lambasting it for “exempl[ying] the very worst of Washington’s ways” and for avoiding “every single opportunity for actual reform

Perhaps this might be a lesson for the smear merchants on how you post on this website if you want to be taken seriously.

Lesson 1, You source your facts.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/269734/bachmann-s-tricky-ethanol-politics-katrina-trinko

41 posted on 06/17/2011 6:18:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: indylindy
I enjoyed your “FR is not the place for bashing Republicans (unless it's Sarah Palin)” spiel on the previous thread.

Talk about hypocrisy!

42 posted on 06/17/2011 6:19:09 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: ejdrapes

First, we learn she thought the American Revolution started in Lexington, New Hampshire, so we learned she sucked at learning history. Now, we learn she believes in the “young earth.” Now we know she also sucked learning science.


43 posted on 06/17/2011 6:19:48 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: MNJohnnie

I like Sarah Palin and hope she gets in the race because we need a field that’s conservative heavy. I know that she doesn’t behave the way some of her supporters do and maybe she’ll be an example of class.


44 posted on 06/17/2011 6:19:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: catnipman
Rhetorical question I know but...

Why is it ok for a national politician to have an opinion about that local school boards should and should not teach, but not ok for that same politician to not have an opinion about forced purchase of healthcare at the state level???

45 posted on 06/17/2011 6:24:28 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: bwc2221

I don’t post much on Palin threads anymore. Funny, here you are in all your glory on a Bachmann thread bashing Michele in favor of a non candidate.

Hypocrisy seems to be catching. LOL

And which candidate, candidate mind you, is your candidate? Romney? TPaw? Huntsman? Paul? Just asking, because I have one. I used to get asked that by y’all a while back.


46 posted on 06/17/2011 6:25:24 PM PDT by dforest
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To: saganite; MNJohnnie
"There is no scientific method in ID. It is simply an attempt to replace science in the classroom with religious dogma."


You are confusing ID with Creationism. They are not the same thing. ID has its roots in philosophical observation and goes back to Pythagoras, Plato and Aristotle. It was called "design inference". Medieval Catholic scholars picked it up partly because it did not contradict what the Bible taught and because assuming that the universe was a product of intelligent design would lead to more scientific enquiry than the assumption that the universe was brought about by a combination of necessity and chance. The biggest reason for accepting it was that they found Aristotle's explanation more logical and intellectually satisfying than the alternative.

In modern times there has been a move from the philosophical approach of a design inference to a scientific approach of what is called design detection. Some of this has been the result of the meeting of information theory with modern biology. The notion is that the information contained in DNA resembles a computer code. The science of design detection is not new, it has been employed in the science of forensics and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. What is new is applying this approach to understanding how our universe came into being.
47 posted on 06/17/2011 6:25:24 PM PDT by rob777
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To: magritte

>>Is Bachmann a YEC? That’s the death knell nationally.<<

Apparently not. This declaration puts here in the “hey folks, let’s be reasonable here” camp. Like I said, it APPEARS to be a compromise position. It isn’t but it appears to be so.


48 posted on 06/17/2011 6:26:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: hellbender
"Big mistake. Any conservative candidate should be calling for elimination of the Federal Dept. of Education, and permanent eviction of the Feds from all activities not specifically named in the Constitution. "

Exactly! Education bureaucracy is not in the Constitution.

We need a radical Constitutionalist for President.

49 posted on 06/17/2011 6:27:56 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: alstewartfan
"I think that evolution is one of the grandest hoax ever perpetrated..."

It is just as true as Global Warming, and skeptics of both are equally extremist.

50 posted on 06/17/2011 6:29:57 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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