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California Budget Deal Includes ‘Amazon Tax’
Accounting Today ^ | 6/28/11 | Michael Cohn

Posted on 06/28/2011 11:08:57 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I heard a GOP assembly member on the radio this morning. He stated he thinks this “Amazon Tax” is illegal because it takes a two thirds vote of the legislature to increase taxes in the state. The GOP was going to run it by their lawyers and take appropriate action.
21 posted on 06/28/2011 12:19:12 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

As the old axiom goes, if you want less of something, tax it.

Fools.


22 posted on 06/28/2011 12:22:48 PM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama can't count.)
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To: battlecry
Isn’t that regulating interstate commerce?

While it's certainly trying to, I expect that the real result will be a boom in out-of-state P.O. box rentals.

23 posted on 06/28/2011 12:23:33 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; xzins; wmfights
The bill also includes two other bills that were also passed by the CA State Legislature that would require online retailers that have corporate subsidiaries & distribution centers in a state to collect sales tax from customers,

As much as I hate paying sales tax, I have no problem with this legislation. If Amazon has a corporate presence in a state, then it should have to live by the same rules as every other business in the state.

Of course this could result in Amazon closing all its California business entities, but that is the risk that California and Amazon will have to bear.

24 posted on 06/28/2011 12:28:54 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Uncle Hal; xzins; wmfights
I heard a GOP assembly member on the radio this morning. He stated he thinks this “Amazon Tax” is illegal because it takes a two thirds vote of the legislature to increase taxes in the state. The GOP was going to run it by their lawyers and take appropriate action.

If I read this correctly they are not raising taxes, they are merely defining to whom the taxes will apply. Frankly I never knew that Amazon had a corporate presence in California. If so then they should be required to collect taxes like every other business in the state.

25 posted on 06/28/2011 12:36:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Since 1975


26 posted on 06/28/2011 12:39:37 PM PDT by edcoil (What? Me worry.)
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To: sanjuanbob
Looks like California on-line retailers will be looking to move to Texas

Yep. Just read recently that Texas made a deal to forgo the tax for a certain number of years (not sure how many years) in exchange for Amazon building facilities and employing 5,000. people.

27 posted on 06/28/2011 12:44:25 PM PDT by Texan
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To: P-Marlowe
Of course this could result in Amazon closing all its California business entities, but that is the risk that California and Amazon will have to bear.

Amazon contracts with retailers within the state to sell goods on Amazon. Like a seafood store in SF selling Joe's King Crab on Amazon. Amazon is the broker. CA wants to claim that this, in their reality, is a physical presence within the state by Amazon.

28 posted on 06/28/2011 12:44:56 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Join the AFL-CIO. The Communist Party needs new blood.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

eBay leery of ‘Amazon tax’
By Dale Kasler

http://www.mercurynews.com/california-budget/ci_18340685


29 posted on 06/28/2011 12:48:44 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Well, we’ll see if Bezos has the male anatomy to dump the affiliates in California.


30 posted on 06/28/2011 12:51:08 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: VeniVidiVici; xzins; wmfights
Like a seafood store in SF selling Joe's King Crab on Amazon. Amazon is the broker. CA wants to claim that this, in their reality, is a physical presence within the state by Amazon.

If the buyer and the seller are both located in the same state, then the seller should be obligated to collect the sales tax like they do with every other in-state transaction.

Frankly I don't see why there is an exception for Amazon or any other mail order entity. While Amazon may not be liable for the collection of the fee, I don't see how a seller in California can avoid the responsibility to collect the tax on a sale shipped to California from their Callifornia facility. It makes no logical sense as to why there should be any exemption.

The last thing I want to do is to have to pay a 10% sales tax on every item I buy from Amazon, but I don't see how Amazon should be able to skirt the laws that apply to all the brick and mortar stores.

31 posted on 06/28/2011 12:57:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

You got me then. I can’t see how they can force an out-of-state retailer to collect sales tax when they sell to CA citizens if they don’t have a presence in the state.


32 posted on 06/28/2011 12:58:33 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Join the AFL-CIO. The Communist Party needs new blood.)
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How long have you lived in CA?

Too long!!

Born and raised in California, and 63 years later the Mrs. and I are looking to leave the state once and for all. I hate the word hopeless, but this state is truly hopeless. Election after election (fraud and all) we keep sending the inmates back to Sacramento to oversee the asylum.

My new name for the sate is Greeceafornia!

33 posted on 06/28/2011 1:02:46 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Were I Amazon, I would say goodbye to the Kalifornia market rather than become entangled in Marxist-State red tape and the future lawsuits/harassment which any business can expect from leftists.


34 posted on 06/28/2011 1:05:57 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: wac3rd
Fixed it

Unnecessarily. I was just re-posting a thought directly from another poster. So, no thanks for the lesson.

35 posted on 06/28/2011 1:49:13 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Mr.Unique

When Jerry Brown was on the Board of Director at ICN Pharmaceuticals, he did not know what a balance sheet was. This was 15 years AFTER he was governor of CA.


36 posted on 06/28/2011 2:08:56 PM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: P-Marlowe
The last thing I want to do is to have to pay a 10% sales tax on every item I buy from Amazon, but I don't see how Amazon should be able to skirt the laws that apply to all the brick and mortar stores.

Are you that naive to believe this is about fairness??? Justice??? Those days are long gone. It's strictly about the parasite class sucking as much hard earned money from the citizens as possible.

No business pays taxes, they all eventually come from individuals. It is distressing to still see that some Freepers believe taxes are okay, if they seem evenly applied. Bullc**p.

Any business that can fight and legally not pay taxes deserves the respect of those who cherish Liberty. Government at ALL levels are out of control. The sooner we can start choking off the parasite class, the sooner our Republic can once again prosper.

The brick and mortar argument is a straw man. The fundamental problem is government is out of control and must be rolled back.

37 posted on 06/28/2011 2:31:24 PM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces her run: August 12, 2011 11:10am ET)
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To: Mr.Unique

I wish I could apologize, but I can’t.


38 posted on 06/28/2011 3:03:29 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: sand88; xzins; wmfights
Are you that naive to believe this is about fairness???

No, it is about the law applying to everyone. We are a government of laws and not men. Do you disagree with that notion?

No business pays taxes, they all eventually come from individuals

That is a legal fiction. Obviously you never owned a business. The reality is the businesses do pay taxes. In this case, however, the taxes are indeed to be paid by the individual. The businesses (as part of their business license agreement) are required to COLLECT taxes at the point of sale from the purchaser. So your argument is irrelevant to the issue.

The brick and mortar argument is a straw man.

Obviously you don't know what a straw man argument is.

The fundamental problem is government is out of control and must be rolled back.

THAT is a straw man argument.

39 posted on 06/28/2011 3:27:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wac3rd
Then you're going on double-secret probation.

Don't say that I didn't give you a chance to avoid this.

40 posted on 06/28/2011 3:28:38 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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