Posted on 06/28/2011 1:32:22 PM PDT by Red Badger
Something isn't clear. Do you think they count just receiving an application as "applied for" an application? Maybe there should be a box asking, Did you ever receive an application and did not submit it? lol.
Whatever it is, it seems ridiculous. Then again, those in government aren't known to take rational actions.
You sure about that?
Are they controlled? Each application must be accounted for rather than just laying out on the table in the Post Office for someone to pick-up?
I don't know, that's why I'm asking :)
They are on the table at the PO. There’s also an online option.
No, you can fill a passport online and go back to it a number of times and have it printed out. I didnt realize that they considered the filling out an “applied.” Fortunately, I already had had a passport.
ah...it’s that old pesky citizenship stuff
Got a bc from Floriduh and a SS# from the US government on lies. Too bad he can't run for POTUS, uh, never mind.
If he truly didn't know, then he should be allowed to apply for citizenship in the legal manner.
Two things in that story don’t work together. It says, “Prosecutors now claim, though, that Dawkins was never an American citizen...” yet a little before that it says, “He even received a birth certificate from the State of Florida and has a social security number.”
So what tipped them off that he was not a citizen? Does the government have information “crawlers” hunting down everything ever recorded on everyone and then, when they find an inconsistency, investigate with all the vigor of a bank robbery?
IIRC the applications are left out in the open in the Post Office. You can definitely get the forms online.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/79955.pdf
He clearly must have actually sumbmitted an application in 2004, whether fully or partially filled out.
The Slimes article claimed he was never denied a passport. Given the story around his birthplace and arrival in the US and immigration status, I wonder if the 2004 application was pending due to lack of complete documentation of identity and/or citizenship.
I also wonder if the “wrong box” charge is the one the government chose to prosecute because it is easy to prove. It would probably be much harder to prove he knowingly lied about being a US citizen as he could claim he was raised believing he was one. It would be much harder for him to claim he did not know that he had submitted a passport application only 2 years earlier.
I think getting people on easily provable lies is a common practice in immigration enforcement. For example, when aliens become naturalized they are asked a bunch of questions that nobody would answer “yes” to (e.g., have you been involved in drug trafficking, the Nazi party, prostitution, terrorism, etc.. I’m sure this is done so that if evidence is later found that they lied when they answered “No” they can be easily deported and/or convicted for perjury.
It is a sad commentary on our government that an illegal alien was able to enlist in 2 branches of the military and obtain an enhanced security clearance as well, while their was a deportation order on him.
Good question, that. I assume if the one in 2004 was not completed, then it was not submitted (It would not have even been accepted if incomplete). If it was not submitted, then how can he be said to have "applied?" No reasonable person would say so. There has to be more to the story if the guy's been sitting in the bucket this long.
Simple legal issue. You have not applied for anything unless you have submitted an application. Unless this guy actually submitted a completed and signed application in the past, then he did not do it. This implied either government incompetence or that there is something else going on here.
I am tending to believe the vet on this one. Beyond that he should have an easier path to gain his citizenship thanks to the INA, something he would have heard and known about and pursued if he actually knew he was an illegal.
Does the government have information “crawlers” hunting down everything ever recorded on everyone and then, when they find an inconsistency, investigate with all the vigor of a bank robbery?
Dangerous as the bean counters could slip and your SSN might get you thrown in Fed lockup until you could prove everything was fine (which of course you can’t do because all of your in hand paperwork is no longer valid).
Does the government have information “crawlers” hunting down everything ever recorded on everyone and then, when they find an inconsistency, investigate with all the vigor of a bank robbery?
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Well great, the guy’s double screwed. How can you know you’re not a citizen if you have been here since before you can remember, told you were born here and also receive both a BIRTH CERTIFICATE and Social Security number?
And yes, how DID the govt know he wasn’t a citizen? If he mother came illegally I can’t see her filling out paperwork, so how did they know? With all the illegals streaming across the border and committing crimes, we investigate and prosecute this guy?
I DEFINITELY would NOT BET any serious money on that.
Time to not only get rid of Obambi; but to jail him.
I was deployed to GITMO in ‘86 and no passport was required at that time. Considering the fact that you fly from a Naval Base in VA to a NAVAIR base on the Leeward side of GITMO - I cannot imagine that he would have needed a passport.
Also - I did not receive my clearance until after I had been on site for over 2 months. Just the way it worked. It was not a “Secret” at the time, but with the Camp there it might be different now.
I did partially fill out a Passport on receiving transfer overseas, but was informed that my travel papers would suffice. Does anyone know if that has changed? If not, he might have returned the Transfer Package back to the Career Counselor with the partially filled form included - too much supposition on my part.
Another question - why was he not charged while he was still active duty. Too embarrassing to say “Hey - our process of granting clearances might be not so secure?”
“Military records obtained by his lawyer show that Mr. Dawkins was honorably released from active duty on April 29. He is now a petty officer in the Navy Reserves, the Navy confirmed. Those records show that Mr. Dawkins received glowing evaluations in the Navy and was recommended for early promotion.”
If FRrs here suddenly found out they were not here legally in their mid-30s (say from Infancy) and were dragged off to be incarcerated - wonder what they would be thinking?
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