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Americans are mad as hell (The Leftist view from Canada)
The Montreal Gazette ^ | July 2, 2011 | Jack Todd

Posted on 07/02/2011 2:13:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Terry Mross
It does piss me off knowing all providers will give a huge discount to insurance companies but want full price from those who pay cash.
Got a bill from a doctor the other day. It showed that the insurance company had “adjusted” the amount due yet didn’t pay anything. I’m being billed for the remaining balance.

If they are part of a PPO then what they do is get a small payment every month for all of their patients no matter if they saw a doctor or needed any kind of medical attention.

Then when a procedure is actually done they do it at a reduced cost.

Most providers will give you a major discount if you pay cash but you have to ask for it. Don't assume it will just be offered.

61 posted on 07/02/2011 4:31:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I have no time to worry about turbot, a parrot is eating my house)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“In its 235-year history, the U.S. has fought one of the most brutal and destructive civil wars in human history - a war fought, in the land of the free, to decide whether one human being has the right to own another.”
Except Lincoln said that was not the reason for the war.

“The right hates the left. The left (yes) hates the right. The Red States hate the Blue States. Everyone hates the federal government. The election of President Barack Obama in 2008, far from bringing about a new era of peace and harmony between the races, instead triggered a run on gun shops and paranoia. Despite Obama’s best efforts to cross the aisle during the first two years of his administration, his Republican opponents set out from the beginning to make it impossible for him to govern.”
Probably the best statement of the whole article, America is a Federation on the road to Civil War. And the reason is quite simple, we have diverging needs for both freedom and Government. With a 1 size fits all plans being imposed upon us all from Washington D.C. while fitting almost none of us. Everyone is upset, and it will only get worse until the Federal Government either breaks down or it gets violent.
Unfortunately that requires that the Left and right learn to leave each other alone. For the right this is not as much of a big leap as it will be for the left. The right unlike the left can be reasoned with, the right also unlike the left largely clings to history and the way things were. To that end it is not so difficult to get the right to support an end to the Federal war on drugs as it will be to get the left to put an end to the Federal war on poverty.


62 posted on 07/02/2011 4:34:57 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This pretty well follows the current Democrat National Committee script.

Nothing original there ~ we already knew Canadians are easily distracted from the path of truth anyway.

BTW, to respond to the "Bill Clinton balanced the budget" cr*p you need note only that the budget he submitted to Congress did not, in fact, balance the budget. Newt Gingrich found it necessary to do a lot of trimming to do that, so the credit is to Newt, not Bill.

63 posted on 07/02/2011 4:44:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Canadians DO NOT BELIEVE IN DIVISION OF POWERS. The Prime Minister represents the majority or majority coalition, and when he submits a budget it gets passed.

It's somewhat a problem for them to even imagine a situation where the President (who they believe is like a prime minister) submits a budget, but the Congress need not act act on it.

To a great degree the Speaker of the House "shares" the traditional function of prime minister in a parliamentary system, but he shares it with the Senate majority leader (otherwise not a Constitutional office but it still exists) ~ not with the President.

Instead, the President represents the permanent government establishment which is why he is vested with the Executive Power, and also why he is the Commander in Chief of the military.

64 posted on 07/02/2011 4:50:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like the left is getting nervous.


65 posted on 07/02/2011 5:00:12 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: VeniVidiVici

Hmmm...Canadian dentistry doesn’t look too good.


66 posted on 07/02/2011 5:13:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

“i dont’ think it was even a surplus. i think it was creative accounting.”

Possibly, although I would point out that it was a PROJECTED surplus not an actual surplus. A projection based upon a bubble economy which was bursting.

Before anyone asks the reason for the bubble economy is the same as the reason for all large bubble economy’s, a fractional reserve banking system which fuels and encourages(by also causing inflation and making getting a lone easy) a reckless investing climate.


67 posted on 07/02/2011 5:19:05 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Cicero
That was my thought too. In fact I might go further and say it was a good demonstration of how the market works. She made a value calculation and decided she didn't need an ambulance. That freed up the ambulance for someone who might have actually needed it. Supply was matched to demand through the price mechanism with no government rationing required. Beautiful.

Naturally to the writer this is almost barbarism, but really this kind of uncoerced coordinated interdependence represents society functioning at a very high level. A mature free market system is incredibly complex and doesn't just spring into place (this is setting aside the question of whether ours is really a free market system anymore, or whether it's functional). Rather it has to evolve into what it is. Sometimes the lefties make the argument "well, if there's something wrong with socialized healthcare, why did we stand up a socialized healthcare system in Iraq?" Well, it's because you can stand up a socialized healthcare system at the drop of a hat. It's fundamentally a much simpler thing.

68 posted on 07/02/2011 5:35:19 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Well, all those words aside, the Canadian thought state health care would force this woman to go to a hospital whether she could afford it or not, and that such force was CORRECT.

That's how I took it. You do find a lot of fascist reserves among the Canadian broad masses.

69 posted on 07/02/2011 5:54:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: olezip
Who knows what the medical part of it really cost ~ what you are talking about is a BILL, and it may have been right, or wrong.

I suspect the bill was wrong, and that is no reason to turn the doctor into a state employee who responds only to his union bosses.

70 posted on 07/02/2011 6:02:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Went through Canada in 2004. Certain parts of it are like Mexico. Gas pumps from the 60’s and 70’s. Very few after hour services in areas of moderate population. Same type of country and population density as SC Montana but with little to no gas, convenience stores or anything a traveler might need.


71 posted on 07/02/2011 6:05:11 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know who Jack Todd is;
but I do know that I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.


72 posted on 07/02/2011 6:09:45 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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To: muawiyah
Well, all those words aside,

Screw that. I say the words stay where they are.

73 posted on 07/02/2011 6:13:44 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: liberty or death

“Went through Canada in 2004. Certain parts of it are like Mexico. Gas pumps from the 60’s and 70’s. Very few after hour services in areas of moderate population. Same type of country and population density as SC Montana but with little to no gas, convenience stores or anything a traveler might need.”

Sounds like where I live!

We like it that way, eh.

Keeps out the riff-raff.


74 posted on 07/02/2011 6:17:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: muawiyah
Who knows what the medical part of it really cost ~ what you are talking about is a BILL, and it may have been right, or wrong.

I suspect the bill was wrong, and that is no reason to turn the doctor into a state employee who responds only to his union bosses.

Actually it is a number of bills. The hospital bills add up to about $9,000. Then the doctor's bills started arriving, at least $3,000 worth. He is questioning the charges, one being $672 per day for a wearing a heart monitor. Then there are lab test bills, etc.

He has many different charges to figure out and then to challenge. I suspect that he will get nowhere. Basically he is being treated upon as a nobody with no money, no power, and no one to turn to.

75 posted on 07/02/2011 6:19:12 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Terry Mross
Got a bill from a doctor the other day. It showed that the insurance company had “adjusted” the amount due yet didn’t pay anything. I’m being billed for the remaining balance.

Not quite sure which part you were billed for but if the "adjusted" amount was billed to you and ins. didn't pay for whatever reason (deductible not met yet?) You will owe the adjusted amount only, it's illegal for the provider to bill you for the pre adjusted amount or for the difference between the two.

76 posted on 07/02/2011 6:26:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Besides the fact that he’s another leftist scumbag.


77 posted on 07/02/2011 6:28:38 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Graybeard58

Here’s an example:

The doctor bills $500.

On the bill it shows:

Total Charge: $500
Insurance Adjustment: ($400)
Amount Paid By Insurance: $00.
Amount Due From Patient: $100.

This happens all the time.


78 posted on 07/02/2011 6:36:23 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: olezip
He's a disabled veteran? He can turn to specialized service officers to help him with this problem.

Call DAV Tuesday.

79 posted on 07/02/2011 6:39:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

holy frack it’s like every liberal whackjob talking point ever written all in one article


80 posted on 07/02/2011 6:41:47 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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