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AN OPEN LETTER TO TEXAS GOVERNOR RICK PERRY
The Grassroots Texans Network ^ | 6-30-2011

Posted on 07/02/2011 9:06:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing

AN OPEN LETTER TO TEXAS GOVERNOR RICK PERRY

June 30, 2011

The Honourable James Richard 'Rick' Perry

Governor of the State of Texas

State Insurance Building

1100 San Jacinto

Austin, Texas 78701

Governor Perry:

We write to express, in the strongest possible terms, our disappointment over the outcome of the regular and special sessions of the 82nd Legislature, in which every single one of the dozens of common-sense immigration reform bills died.

As you are most likely aware, the overwhelming body of polling data shows that Texans are extremely concerned about the effects of unchecked illegal immigration on our state...

(Letter continues at link-you do not have to be a Texas resident to sign the letter)

This post is for information and discussion purposes, not to endorse or not endorse the letter.

(Excerpt) Read more at grassrootstexans.net ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Texas; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; perry; rickperry; sanctuarycity; teaparty
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1 posted on 07/02/2011 9:06:47 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Well Perry also sounded very disappointed.

And if he is REALLY disappointed, he will call another special session, this time for the Sanctuary Bill (and maybe the groping bill).

Of course if he doesn’t call that session it will be obvious that he’s perfectly happy with those bills getting squashed, and he’s just another OPEN BORDERS Republican.


2 posted on 07/02/2011 9:11:12 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: BobL

I remember reading recently that if a second session was called, there might be a real problem getting folks to show up. Just how powerful is a Texas Governor, can the Texas Rangers be called out to round up legislators?


3 posted on 07/02/2011 9:15:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

You might have wanted to address this letter to Perry (no relation)of Perry Homes, conservative donor. and Chris Butt of HEB Grocery Stores (gives to both parties).

It seems when it looked like the bills were going to pass they mounted a big $$$$ campaign to stop the Leg.

It is hardly Governor Perry’s fault in that outcome.


4 posted on 07/02/2011 9:17:24 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Even if he knew that would happen? You were sick the day they taught politics at whatever school you went to?


5 posted on 07/02/2011 9:19:56 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: BobL

He is a liar and paid off some how.

GOP communist.


6 posted on 07/02/2011 9:20:24 PM PDT by lephantom
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To: Marty62
You might have wanted to address this letter...

I didn't write it. You might want to read it. :)

7 posted on 07/02/2011 9:21:32 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

FWIW, that’s the group’s SECOND “open letter” to Perry.

Here’s the first:

http://grassrootstexans.net/userdata/grassrootstexas/Open_Letter_to_Rick_Perry.pdf

Those of you thinking you want him in Washington really should read it.


8 posted on 07/02/2011 9:22:13 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: lephantom

A brilliant post that displays a profound grasp of Texas politics.


9 posted on 07/02/2011 9:22:14 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BobL

If this guy does not get a sanctuary city bill passed after Houston had a sixth consecutive cop killed or maimed by an illegal alien..he’s done


10 posted on 07/02/2011 9:27:20 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: lephantom
He is a liar and paid off some how. GOP communist.

Gosh lephantom, your argument is so articulate and persuasive. Maybe you should just read the posts on FR and not bother to reply. For your sake. Regarding Perry, he's our man!! Go Perry!!

11 posted on 07/02/2011 9:29:40 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Jedidah

You fail to point out that the Governor was just one recipient of the letter:

Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst
Texas House Speaker Joe Straus
Senate Transportation Chair Tommy Williams
House Transportation Chair Larry Phillips
Honorable Members of the Texas Senate
Honorable Members of the Texas House

You got a beef with Perry, that’s fine, I understand, but the first letter appears to be more about holding the legislature’s feet to the fire.


12 posted on 07/02/2011 9:38:20 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

“I remember reading recently that if a second session was called, there might be a real problem getting folks to show up. Just how powerful is a Texas Governor, can the Texas Rangers be called out to round up legislators?”

If Perry actually WANTS to deal with Sanctuary Cities, I have no doubt he’ll get enough people to show up to take care of the problem.

Of course I don’t expect that outcome...


13 posted on 07/02/2011 9:44:05 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: BobL

I take it you don’t think much of Perry, is that right?


14 posted on 07/02/2011 9:45:35 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Perry is the best chance to move the hussein family out of the White House. I sure hope he runs.


15 posted on 07/02/2011 10:02:59 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: boycott

I hope he gets in the race too, except for Cain and maybe Bachmann the current field is pretty lame.


16 posted on 07/02/2011 10:10:12 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I like Cain and Buchmann too. I wouldn’t mind seeing any of them as the VP candidate.

Any and all of them are better than obama. I know that’s not saying much.


17 posted on 07/02/2011 10:18:28 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: smoothsailing
Perry was for amnesty before he was against it, then he was against amnesty before he was for it and then he was, etc, etc the dirty bag is for and against all issues. Rino elitist, that would be Perry.
18 posted on 07/02/2011 10:19:47 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: smoothsailing

Perry is all hat and no cattle!


19 posted on 07/02/2011 10:19:47 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Jedidah; All
Those of you thinking you want him in Washington really should read it.
Don't really want him. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him of course. But, if you were disappointed in George W., you'll hate Rick Perry. But, hey..........
We don't need Perry now. Congressman Thad McCotter from MI has entered the race. Young, Conservative, smart as a whip, a sharp wit, great debating skills......Could Thad McCotter be who we've been waiting for? Could he be our 2012 "Great Communicator"; Ronald Reagan?
20 posted on 07/02/2011 10:25:09 PM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: rwoodward

Perry is all hat and no cattle!
______________________________________________________________
True. The only vote he’ll get from this native Texan is if he does get the GOP nod, I’ll vote for him over Obama. But, until then, he’ll NOT get my vote.


21 posted on 07/02/2011 10:26:51 PM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: boycott
Any and all of them are better than obama. I know that’s not saying much.

I oughta be able to get my dog in the race, and I can prove he was born here, I've got the papers!

22 posted on 07/02/2011 10:27:01 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

“The Grassroots Texans Network” being who?

Two hundred thousand Texas citizens who gather weekly to debate policy? Some guy with a fax machine who when not lecturing the Texas government talks to his stuffed bunny? The giggling executive director of the Austin Democratic Party Committee?


23 posted on 07/02/2011 10:27:10 PM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb

Go to the link, grasshopper, all your questions will be answered. :)


24 posted on 07/02/2011 10:30:19 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: org.whodat

Hey org, where you from in Virginia? I was born and raised in the Tidewater area.


25 posted on 07/02/2011 10:33:16 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

The other end of the state, in the wonderful mountains.


26 posted on 07/02/2011 10:49:00 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: ExtremeUnction
Regarding Perry, he's our man!! Go Perry!!

Rick Perry Was Al Gore’s Texas Campaign Chairman in 1988

27 posted on 07/03/2011 12:20:03 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: Marty62
.... It is hardly Governor Perry’s fault in that outcome.

I'd very much take issue with that statement. If Guv Perry really wanted that legislation he would have been in there with sleeves rolled up and got it passed. He is just trying have conservatives vote for him while falsely claiming to be conservative and still have the Mexican slave labor abundantly available for his big business chummy campaign donors. I know for one that I cannot in good conscience vote for the man should he get the nomination. I'll vote most any real conservative third party candidate before I'd cast a vote for open borders sell-out RINO Rick Perry.

28 posted on 07/03/2011 1:07:52 AM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: no dems

I would NOT vote for him over Obama! I would rather see Obama bring this festering boil to a head so it can be lanced than have another sweet talking, no action, RINO lead us along the same path, just at a slower pace. If the country is not ready to CHANGE direction yet, so be it. I will support Obama if “they” force another clown down our throats.


29 posted on 07/03/2011 4:57:47 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: smoothsailing

“I take it you don’t think much of Perry, is that right?”

Nope - I have no trust in Al Gore’s 1988 Texas campaign manager...especially when he keeps dumping new schemes on us (like vacinating little girls so that they can have wild sex starting in middle school) and playing us for IDIOTS (such as when he gets his cronies in the legislature to kill our Sanctuary City bill...so he doesn’t have to sign it).

And he hasn’t done crap about the border, other than whine once in a while. He’s clearly the worst Republican governor on that issue in a state anywhere near Mexico.


30 posted on 07/03/2011 5:12:16 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: smoothsailing

Several years ago the Dems in the Texas legislature all left the State and went to Oklahoma to prevent the presence of a quorum required for voting on bills. Very similar to what happened this year in Wisconsin and Indiana.

They spent a couple of weeks lounging around the pools and bars at their hotels/motels.

The Gov obtained warrants and Texas Rangers were used to force the Dems to return to Austin to do the jobs they were elected to do.

I don’t recall what the major issue was at the time.


31 posted on 07/03/2011 5:14:43 AM PDT by octex
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To: smoothsailing

“I take it you don’t think much of Perry, is that right?”

I just can’t see the point of nominating someone we have to keep trying to drag to the right...just as we had to do with W (i.e., amnesty, Harriet Miers, etc.)

How about we nominate a REAL conservative, sit back, and enjoy watching him straighten out the country?


32 posted on 07/03/2011 5:15:02 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: octex

The dims ran and hid during the redistricting battle. That is one reason I signed up on FR in 03.


33 posted on 07/03/2011 5:28:53 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: TwoSwords

For you and your buddies.

Facts are facts. I have had it with spinners, msm and blogs.If you don’t like Perry fine. Just don’t throw out BS from someone else and expect everyone to just go....oh my I will never vote for him.

I find that process quite insulting.
It is the same thought process of the Zero Dummies.
american People are toooo stupid to do their own research on a candidate. So just throw out ANY accusation (since that is ALL you are doing) and the idiot American people will believe it.

I submit at LEAST I WENT TO SCHOOL.


34 posted on 07/03/2011 7:48:27 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Your moronic post doesn’t defend Perry’s actual record very well. Why am I not surprised.


35 posted on 07/03/2011 8:16:34 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords

How sad. When you are faced with reality you resort to Personal attack.

One of the rules of FR. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.


36 posted on 07/03/2011 8:37:48 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: BobL
he keeps dumping new schemes on us...and playing us for IDIOTS

Well Bob, to hear you tell it, we should have an extremely low opinion of Texas voters and Texans in general.

How in the world can those cactus spitting yahoos keep on re-electing such a corrupt and incompetent clod? Out of 25 million Texans isn't there even one who will step forward to challenge "the worst Republican governor" so Perry can be thrown out?

If Perry doesn't run for president will Texans just keep on re-electing him, are they that stupid?

Personally, I find all this hard to believe, and apparently I have a much higher opinion of Texas voters than you do. I get the distinct impression that they keep re-electing Perry because they think he's better than anybody he runs against. He's not perfect, who is, but Texas seems to be thriving, so he hasn't screwed things up enough to be hung or run out of town on a rail.

37 posted on 07/03/2011 8:55:22 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Marty62

It wasn’t a personal attack. You spent about 200 letters not making a point. That’s moronic.


38 posted on 07/03/2011 9:01:38 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: octex
Several years ago the Dems in the Texas legislature all left the State and went to Oklahoma to prevent the presence of a quorum required for voting on bills

I'd forgotten about that, thanks. The dems do get petulent when they can't have their way.

I wouldn't expect a Republican controlled legislature to behave like that, so I guess it would be a little easier to round them up this time around.

39 posted on 07/03/2011 9:09:54 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

“Well, to hear you tell it, we should have an extremely low opinion of Texas voters and Texans in general.”

Don’t agree. Texas voters do JUST FINE when given a chance to vote for a conservative. They put Dan Patrick in the State Senate with 70% of the primary vote, when he wasn’t even the favorite (the favorite was a sitting State House member - Patrick was a no one, but he was a conservative).

“How in the world can those cactus spitting yahoos keep on re-electing such a corrupt and incompetent clod?”

Have you seen the competition he’s had to run against. No big-name conservative will take him on - it’s the POWER of incumbency. Perry was NOT elected governor in a contested election (i.e., he never had to run in a contested primary for governor) - rather he was PROMOTED to governor when W became president.

“Out of 25 million Texans isn’t there even one who will step forward to challenge “the worst Republican governor” so Perry can be thrown out?”

I do think Dan Patrick will take him on in 2014, assuming that he stays governor...but prior to that, see my prior answer.

“If Perry doesn’t run for president will Texans just keep on re-electing him, are they that stupid?”

No. He’ll have to justify himself (finally) in a primary the next time around - that is for sure.

“Personally, I find all this hard to believe, and apparently I have a much higher opinion of Texas voters than you do.”

Don’t agree - that’s your conclusion.

“I get the distinct impression that they keep re-electing Perry because they think he’s better than anybody he runs against.”

I agree on that - but that sure as heck doesn’t say anything good about him.

“He’s not perfect, who is, but Texas seems to be thriving...”

We missed out on the housing bubble, and we are doing good, just as other states that missed out on the bubble. The biggest thing that kept us out of trouble was our laws severely limiting home equity withdraws...and that pre-dates Perry (although, to his credit, he didn’t try to change them).

“...so he hasn’t screwed things up enough to be hung or run out of town on a rail.”

Anyone Republican short of Lincoln Chaffee could have kept Texas on a good track. W did fine, even Ann Richards (a Democrat) did fine. Even the Democrats here are generally civil and actually CARE about the state (and many are pro-life and pro-death penalty).

When you’re handed a state to run that is set-up as well as Texas, you would actively want to wreck it in order to do any damage. We Republicans learned that the HARD WAY when W thought that all Democrats behaved like Texas Democrats, just to have his head handed to him in DC. Why the hell do we have to repeat that lesson again?


40 posted on 07/03/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: BobL
No big-name conservative will take him on - it’s the POWER of incumbency.

Well, I think that pretty much sums it up. We're fortunate as a nation that conservatives at the national level don't have such cold feet when it comes to taking on Obama.

Nice chatting with you, Bob, have a wonderful 4th! :)

41 posted on 07/03/2011 10:05:53 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: TwoSwords
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS
42 posted on 07/03/2011 10:28:48 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: smoothsailing

“Nice chatting with you, Bob, have a wonderful 4th! :) “

I’m with you, thanks...enjoy the fireworks too!!


43 posted on 07/03/2011 10:50:59 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: octex
.... The Gov obtained warrants and Texas Rangers were used to force the Dems to return to Austin to do the jobs they were elected to do. ....

The truth of the matter is that the Rangers had nothing at all to do with the Chicken Democrats, aka the Killer D's returning to Texas from where they were holed up in Albuquerque, New Mexico for 48 days back in the summer of 2003 enjoying the protection of the New Mexico state police. Rep Tom Delay and NOT Rick Perry led the charge to have them arrested by FBI agents or U.S. Marshals but that didn't happen.

The Democrats' efforts collapsed when one TX state senator broke a self-imposed exile in New Mexico and returned to the TX Senate floor for the third special session. All the aforementioned facts are verifiable via Google searches on this subject.

44 posted on 07/03/2011 1:45:14 PM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: TwoSwords

It’s tiresome. We’ve had several threads with the same old lies, some misleading statements and if you don’t care for Perry, that’s fine but there are many many that do, by the pure fact that he has been in different offices and our governor here so long.


45 posted on 07/03/2011 3:46:07 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.. VOTE out the RATS!)
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To: BobL

Downright eerie how Perry’s people talked about Merck product on same day Merck gave Perry money
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1790722/posts

Perry’s Trans-Texas Corridor plan is a hard sell
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961128/posts

Senators: Perry evading law with expired appointments
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1889198/posts

Texas Eminent Domain Bill Vetoed By Govenor Perry
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1852635/posts

Campaign to impeach Gov. Perry launched online
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884086/posts

Tempers Flare At Trans-Texas Corridor Hearing
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1969878/posts

Secretive Bilderberg meeting set for Turkey
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1842676/posts

Karl in a Corner
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_scott_ho_080408_karl_in_a_corner.htm
Second, Rove’s opponents would regularly find that they had suddenly become the target
of a criminal investigation, and details concerning the investigation would be
aggressively fanned to the press. Rove mastered this technique in a contest
for the Texas Agriculture Commissioner’s post that he managed for now-Governor Rick Perry.

It Started in Texas: Karl Rove’s Political Prosecutions
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000569
1. Rove was hired to run the campaign of Rick Perry, the current governor,
for the powerful Texas office of Commissioner of Agriculture, then held by
Democrat Jim Hightower. Shortly thereafter, it was clear that a major
FBI investigation had been launched into the workings of the Texas Agriculture
Department (TDA), focusing on Hightower and his senior lieutenants, who had been
pursuing a populist, anti-corporate agriculture and pro-small-farmer agenda.

Jim Hightower talks about his new book, “Thieves in High Places: They’ve Stolen Our Country and it’s Time to Take it Back”
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/08/21_hightower.html
HIGHTOWER: Rick Perry, back then (currently Texas Governor), was his client, so to speak,
and Perry had been recruited. He was sort of a nothing Texas legislator who had been brought
in — again as an affable fellow without any brain muscle. Perry was essentially sent to
wander around out in West Texas during the campaign so he would be out of the way,
while Rove worked this FBI agent and raised money from the chemical industry
and other corporate interests that opposed me. Rove had George Bush go on
television against me. Then Rove ran a series of television ads that
established a new low in negative advertising.

For example, they showed a long-haired guy setting a flag on fire,
and throwing it on the ground. And then my picture came up out of the fire, and said
“Hightower supports flag burning,” which, of course, I don t. But it doesn t matter,
you know. I had to go around answering: “Why do you support flag burning?”
Rove had another ad of me campaigning with Jesse Jackson, who I supported in 1988
in the Presidential campaign. And Rove ran this ad that essentially was a smear
on Jackson and then tying me to him. The ad so angered the Black Caucus in the State Legislature
that they convened their own press conferences in Houston and Dallas to assail it. But again it was too late.
All this was happening in the last three weeks of the election. So, I mean, that s just who the guy is.

Gay rumors complicate Rick Perry’s presidential prospects
http://rt.com/usa/news/gay-rick-perry-campaign/

Naked City The Real Sins of Gov. Perry
http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2004-02-27/198958/
On Tuesday morning, a small group of protesters (almost outnumbered by reporters and photographers)
gathered at the Governor’s Mansion for what was disingenuously billed as a “support rally” for Gov. Rick Perry,
under the theme, “It’s OK to Be Gay.” As any Austinite with access to e-mail or a cell phone knows by now,
for a couple of months rumors concerning the governor’s personal life have been flying furiously around the Capitol,
the capital city, the state, and indeed most of the Western Hemisphere.
The variations are multiple and quite inventive – we won’t recount them here –
but at their core is the tale that the governor’s marriage is in trouble, that his
wife Anita has/will/may decide to divorce him, and that the issue is Rick’s alleged infidelity,
with one or another member of his administration of undetermined gender.
(Rumors of this sort, about multitudinous politicians, circulate all the time,
but the current Perry rumors are indeed extraordinary in their baroque detail and remarkable persistence.)


46 posted on 07/03/2011 3:53:54 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Wow, I had no clue that Perry was gay, or at least a rumor of it. I hope voters take that into account - especially with all of the legislative and judicial stuff on the issue.

Thanks for the info.


47 posted on 07/03/2011 4:12:20 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: smoothsailing
If Perry doesn't run for president will Texans just keep on re-electing him, are they that stupid?

Given Perry's strongest competition in the past few elections was Kay Bailey Hutchison, it's not hard to see how Perry wins. Republicans don't want to go up against the kind of money that backs Rick Perry.

Well Bob, to hear you tell it, we should have an extremely low opinion of Texas voters and Texans in general.

Rick Perry only got 39% of the vote in 2006 against a divided field with several third parties. That's not a reflection of Texas voters, but of the candidates.

I get the distinct impression that they keep re-electing Perry because they think he's better than anybody he runs against.

Your impression is wrong. It's because Rick Perry has crappy competition partly because nobody wants to take on Rick's big money donors, and partly because the Democrats are idiots. Him getting 39% of the vote in 2006 proves it.
48 posted on 07/03/2011 4:14:31 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Ron H.
I'd very much take issue with that statement. If Guv Perry really wanted that legislation he would have been in there with sleeves rolled up and got it passed.

I agree with you that Perry didn't want it all that bad - look at him shaking hands in California while it was dying.

But let's face it. Perry's biggest donors did not want the legislation to cross his desk, they worked against it and ultimately saw to it that it died. I believe Perry was allowed by them to push this legislation, since in hindsight it was clear that they were going to do the dirty work of killing it off.

You will not find Rick Perry addressing the biggest obstacle to sanctuary cities legislation - his donors.
49 posted on 07/03/2011 4:17:04 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BobL

Well, a handful of people have decided that what they’re going to do is post every single flattering article on the internet about Perry. 90% of freepers with an opinion are not fans.
The only thing I really knew about Perry until less than a month ago were

1) forced vaccinations
2) trans texas corridor
3) Bilderberg.

1+2+3 = Globalist = Unacceptable

But then I started doing more research, and found stuff like “gay rumor” and “Karl Rove managed his first campaign as a Republican, after getting Perry to switch from Democrat”
And “Perry supported Giuliani first in 08”

And Perry’s resume just gets worse and worse.


50 posted on 07/03/2011 4:22:17 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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