I hate to point this out, but McCain was NOT born in a US Military Hospital, he was born off-base in a Panamanian civilian hospital. This was a much discussed point.
Posted on 07/03/2011 4:28:11 AM PDT by HMS Surprise
Fact-checkers are welcome to peruse my post titled Natural-born Citizens if they at any time doubt my previous sentiments concerning the “birther” issue…
I have never relished the notion that a sitting President, duly-elected, would ever be bounced from office because of something beyond his or her control, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore facts. Ignoring the facts is exactly what has delivered this nation to the brink of disaster.
Before the release of Obama’s alleged long-form birth certificate I was of the opinion that the President was on much firmer ground legally if such a document was never released.
Why? Because, dear comrade, much more germane to the establishment of “natural-born” bona fides is the citizenship of the parents, not the place of birth. Since Obama’s likely father was Barack Sr., it was probable that the long-form birth certificate would actually establish once and for all that Barack Jr., although still probably a U.S. citizen, was ineligible to be President.
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Tyranny is coming.
A time is soon coming when a license to practice law will be meaningless. Why? Because the rule of law is been shredded. Law means what ever the chief executive of our nation wants it to mean.
Presidents can thumb their nose at Congress when declaring war. They can perjure themselves. They can rape and group women at abandon. Mysterious murders can surround them. They can arrange to have sensitive documents stolen or make them go missing. The IRS files can They can lie about their past and post crudely made FORGERIES.
If I were a betting person, I would say that there likely will be elections in 2012. BUT....Count on it! A time is soon coming when there will be no elections or they will be a meaningless and any held in the old Soviet Union.
Why? Reason: Obama is merely the stink in the room! The gangrene is the moral rot that has infected every cultural institution in the nation, especial among those in the legal profession.
Obama is very likely a usurper. He posted two crude FORGERIES!!! And,...Not one man or woman with influence in a country of 300 million people has done anything meaningful about it!
Not even one governor or state attorney general, no prosecutors, not one legislator, no judges or any member of the Supreme Court, and the entire electoral college did anything about it! Yet...the majority of these guys and gals are lawyers! Not one LEO or law enforcement agency ( federal or state) made any move to act. Our Marxist and conservative media were silent. Our very highest military, graduates of academies with the very strictest “honor codes” ( what a joke!) are complicit.
Tyranny is soon coming. Bet on it.
“I have never relished the notion that a sitting President, duly-elected, would ever be bounced from office because of something beyond his or her control, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore facts.”
Strawman!!! this was the second sentence of the article.
Obama was on the ballot due to FRAUD! How can that translate into “duly elected”. Unbelievable!
( By the way...Please read my respond to Mind Bender26 in post #21.)
Afterbirthers disgust me.
He should have never been in is the point in case you missed it.
‘Whites Are Liars’ — Audacity of Racism: Obama’s 20-Year Mentor Rev. Wright Tells Church Youth All Whites Are Liars…Over and Over in a Long Sound Bite
That is the gangrene that will kill the patient. Obama is merely the stink in the room.
Please read my post #21.
Then, that ELIMINATES Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal from ever being Prez or VP.
Maybe not. Their parents could have been naturalized citizens at the time of Rubio's and Jindal's birth. I have no idea if they were or not.
Please accept my apology. I misread your post.
Apparently you are not up to speed. Leo Donofrio argues that Minor v Happersett is a supreme court precedent where the court rules that the fact of Minor having two citizen parents and born in the United States makes her a "Natural Born Citizen." He further argues that they did not invoke the 14th amendment to make this ruling (as they did in Wong Kim Ark) and therefore it is based on original law. To sum it up, it proves what the Supreme Courts understanding of original law was, and it conforms to the two citizen parent born on the soil position.
Read this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2742400/posts
Clearer thinking than this is required here.
Clear thinking is indeed required, but without accurate facts it will still lead you astray. The Minor v. Happersett decision provides some of those accurate facts.
Rogers v. Bellei provides another fact. In that case, the Supreme court ruled that being the child of one American Citizen isn't enough to be a "Natural born citizen." Bellei LOST his citizenship because he didn't reside in the United States long enough. A "Natural born citizen" could NOT lose his citizenship through inaction.
I hate to point this out, but McCain was NOT born in a US Military Hospital, he was born off-base in a Panamanian civilian hospital. This was a much discussed point.
Apparently it HAS been established by the Supreme Court in their ruling on Minor v. Happersett. Read Donofrio's analysis.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2742400/posts
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Mind Bender26 is very proud of his reasoning abilities.
By the way...Please read my post #21 in response to Mind Bender26’s rationalizations. Mind *Bender* was a good choice for a posting name. Do you think? .
And Donofrio's analysis has enjoyed so much success in the courtroom.
Roe v. Wade enjoyed plenty of success in the court room. The ruling of the court is that the Amendment granting citizenship to slaves (14th) means that it's okay for women (Who couldn't even vote in 1868) to kill their unborn children.
Dred Scott v. Sanford enjoyed plenty of success in the court room. (Slaves are property.) So did Plessy v. Ferguson. (Separate but Equal.) I hear the KELO V. NEW LONDON (Theft of Private Property) was also popular with the Supreme court. Miranda v. Arizona (lying rapist get's confession thrown out. Convicted anyway.) was successful in court.
Pardon me if I don't regard success in the court as proof of legitimacy. The courts have become "democracy by other means" rather than an objective interpreter of the truth. Often a majority in the court simply means all the idiots are on the same side.
I think you are right. Obama is the stink in the room that represents the larger stink in our nation. TOO much power is in the hands of those who control the discussion. Lawyers, Professors, News, Media, everyone who has an outsized influence on what the public is told all lean left/liberal. For years I have suggested that Republicans file affirmative action lawsuits against media corps and colleges alleging discrimination against conservatives in hiring. I've also suggested legal action against media corps for providing free political advertising for Liberal politicians in the guise of slanted news and commentary. Every News person should have a [D] under their name when they are on the air so the public would know which party they are getting their news from.
Tip of the stench is right.
Success in the courts confer the status of Law of the Land whether you agree with the ruling or not.
People treat Leo Donofrio as if he is an authority on the subject. He is not. He is a blogger, amateur poker player, sometime musician and an individual who despite somehow passing the bar and possessing a license to practice law, has never succeeded in any legal case. His "analysis" enjoy the support of no one outside of the birther circus, outside of people who want so desperately for there to be something, anything, that will magically and instantly nullify the Obama Presidency.
Donofrio's views are supported by no reputable conservative politician, commentator or conservative legal foundation.
Clearer thinking is indeed called for, how about bringing some to the conversation. Unless you consider the Supreme Court to be the final arbiter of who is King.
Cogent remarks wintertime.
I to fear that we have been had. It is beyond belief that not one person in authority, not one elected official, nor a single judge has found that the people have any standing to even ask the questions that would reveal the travesty.
I am further saddened by the law types on FR, that continually belittle Orley Taiz for her efforts to unveil this conspiracy. Do we really have to have immigrants alone carrying the banner of freedom, that once waved or the land of the free?
Law decided by precedent is no law at all, it is tyranny piled upon tyranny.
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