Father spoke of having Obama adopted

Boston Globe ^ | 7 July 2011 | Sally Jacobs

[DiogenesLamp]

That was a forged document.

We’re up against a problem here, and that is the large number of forged and false documents that function as “red herrings”, all meant to have us chasing our tails. The truth must be devastating, for an organization to go to so much trouble to cover up BHO2’s past.

We really can’t even trust docs coming out of the State Department or Immigration post 2009.

I put no stock in it the moment I saw it, but do you know for a fact that it is forged? If so, how? I was under the impression that this Pidgeon fellow was a partner with Donofrio, and is in fact a lawyer. There is a video of him talking about this find as if it is real.

[masadaman]

Thank you all. It is Pidgeon and it is Skookumchuck, although among you there is apparently dispute over the document's legitimacy.

If it isn't authentic, it is kind of sad because 'Skookumchuck' is a natural for rhyming. Let's see, "If you can skook him, Chuck, old Barack's a sitting duck." Or, "he's been called a dick which is really a schmuck, that SOB from Skookumchuck."

[curiosity]

SatinDoll wrote in response to post 63: Thanks. Good information.

SatinDoll, I'm curious about something. How do you know that SvenMagnussen's post #63 contains good information? He didn't provide any links to back up his claims about obama supposedly having Permanent Resident Alien status in the 1970's. Why did you just accept these claims without seeing any evidence? How do you know SvenMagnussen didn't just make them up out of whole cloth?

[DiogenesLamp]

SatinDoll, I'm curious about something. How do you know that SvenMagnussen's post #63 contains good information? He didn't provide any links to back up his claims about obama supposedly having Permanent Resident Alien status in the 1970's. Why did you just accept these claims without seeing any evidence? How do you know SvenMagnussen didn't just make them up out of whole cloth?

As peculiar as it feels to agree with you on something, I have no choice. Indeed, every scrap of information needs to be verified somehow. Too many of people's wild theories have been repeated as though they were fact, and it just interferes with finding out the actual truth.

I am interested in Sven's theory, but without some documentation, I will still regard it as a unproven theory.

[x]

I hadn't seen any Christmas tree picture and assumed you were referring to his awkward posture in the "father and son" airport picture.

I've just seen two more pictures from 1971. "Senior" doesn't look very well in any of them.

You're right: there is something bizarre about the father's posture or position in the picture of the three of them around the Christmas tree. He's laid out or arranged in a very strange way.

I don't know where the picture comes from. So who knows? It could be a forgery. There are certainly enough of those around. But if you were going to fake a picture would you make it that obvious?

I've gotten distrustful of throwing around terms like "parallax analysis." People who claimed to be sophisticated analysts of the last document didn't have a clue about fountain pens and mechanical typewriters, so I'm skeptical about claims of sophisticated technical analysis. People may just be discovering that old technologies don't provide the kind of clear images that we are used to now.

FWIW, It does look like there's something wrong with the figure of Obama Senior in the picture you referred to. It also looks like the print is pretty old and that there was something wrong with the print or the camera or the scanning. Notice the tiny white triangle in the upper right hand corner and the discolored area at the top center: the scan may have been off center and the print could have been bent and not in very good condition. That doesn't account for the father's posture, but it could explain part of why the picture looks so strange.

If Sr. got his stay here lengthened by marrying and if he was going to be within a few thousand miles of his ex-wife, it wouldn't have been out of place or unthinkable for him to visit her and the child for a day or two. A complicated program of forgeries that aren't very convincing wouldn't be a more likely scenario.

[little jeremiah]

You probably are aware that no one has ever seen it or found it.

[Brown Deer]

There are several documents, official and unofficial, which document the marriage and the marriage license records in the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961.

Unless you have some new evidence of an official marriage certificate, this is a false statement. Please stick with the facts!

[Brown Deer]

He didn't provide any links to back up his claims...

It doesn't look like you have either!

[Dakkster]

The Christmas photo has a Daphne Barak copyright symbol. The infamous 1988 Kenya family portrait also has the Daphne Barak copyright symbol. Since the 1971 Christmas Daphne Barak photo is FAKE, then it can be assumed 1988 Kenya photo is FAKE as well.

Parallax analysis - where the “difference in apparent direction of an object from the viewer when looked at from two different positions” - in the two 1971 airport photos is straightforward.

[curiosity]

I didn't make any positive claims that require evidence.

[Brown Deer]

I didn't make any positive claims that require evidence.

Really?

In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone, even birthers, supporting it prior to the Fall of 2008.

In fact, he's one of the most dishonest presidents we have had in a long time.

He has also broken many promises to voters.

If you really believe he's a Marxist, how do you explain the fact that he agreed to sell the government's controlling stake in GM in an IPO?

That's why no one objected to the candiacy of Sipro Agnew, Chester Arther, and others.

The ficticious two-citizen parent requirement was literally made up out of whole cloth by birthers when their Kenyan birth myth failed to gain any traction.

Economic theory says it is objectively good for the long-run as well.

GHWB lost because he raised tax rates, not because he eliminated incentive-distorting tax deductions.

...

[bgill]

Was there a Salvation Army home in either Seattle or Vancouver in 1961?

Ah, another coinky-dink! The Salvation Army currently owns the white house on the corner of Mercer just north of the 13th Ave E address where SADO was supposed to have lived with little Barry while attending UW (there is another address for the SA a couple blocks away at 422 11th Ave E). But, it's my understanding that the SA's ownership of the house is more recent.

Did you see anything about abortion and the Salvation Army in any of the INS records? I certainly didn't. I question the timing of this article.

Can these obots be any more ridiculous? This article has so many holes and debunked info that it's just a joke. It's woven out of whole cloth. More bunk. Miraculous Birth v3.666.

[Albertafriend]

Back on Jan. 5 2009, ChiefEngineer posted this:

I believe that Ann had a “shotgun wedding” and then discovered her husband was a rake willing to become involved with any number of co-eds.(The little tidbit Frank Marshall Davis wrote in his biography was the teaser, “...a Kenyan student split, leaving behind TWO pregnant blondes”) Her parents sent her to her mother’s friend in Seattle and the friend made arrangements for Ann to go to an unwed mother’s home in Vancouver where she would give birth and give the baby up for adoption. Her parents had made such a deal with her and told her she could attend UW afterwards.(which she had wanted to do anyway) Her high school friends at the time had already commented about the fact that if they encountered blacks while they were out they would cross the street to avoid them. The scandal of a white girl giving birth to a black baby would have driven Ann out of the area, while Vancouver B.C. was quite experienced in dealing with many different races and intermingling. Once Ann gave birth she changed her mind and asked her mother’s friend to come and get her.

This would definitely fit well with this new revelation. They weren’t going to give the baby to the Salvation Army but by spending her pregnancy in this home,the Booth Memorial Home for Unwed Mothers, they would arrange for the child to be adopted. Chief also said in other posts that this home was burned down in 2005 or 6 and that British Columbia would not release any birth records until 75 years after the birth. So if any of you are still around in another 25 years maybe you can request them to see if he really was born in Canada.

[Spunky]

"This article is full of innacurasies."

You are right on that. This is one of their statements from the article that is false. "“Subject got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ [Hawaiian for pregnant] and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away,"

The Salvation Army NEVER gave babies away. They provided a home for unwed mothers and IF you wanted to give up your baby they had an adoption agency came to the home to make the arrangements.

[Texas Fossil]

We know Obama was a PRA in the mid-70’s because the PRA field is marked with a “Y”. The PRA field is part of the alphanumeric code generated by the SSA when a Form SS-5, Application for Social Security Number, is submitted and verified. Obama’s Form SS-5 was submitted by his case manager working for a Refugee Resettlement Organization located in Connecticut.

Source?

[SvenMagnussen]

RM 00203.460 Evidence for an SSN Card for a Refugee, Parolee, Asylee

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/517e83681a5eb8b28525688d0058721c/f667df4aff794bb18525754c00058a20!OpenDocument

A. Policy – evidence of immigration status, age and identity

Aliens who meet Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) criteria for admission as refugees, asylees, or parolees must submit documentation showing proof of their immigration status along with evidence of age and identity. Refugees, parolees, and most asylees must submit documentation issued by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). When the asylee does not submit DHS-issued documentation, he/she must submit documentation issued by the Department of Justice, Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) in lieu of a document issued by DHS.

See RM 00203.020 for the exception to providing two documents when a refugee, asylee, or parolee has only one immigration document.

All immigration documents submitted must be verified to confirm the applicant’s immigration status before the application for an SSN can be processed.
B. Procedure - Evidence of refugee immigration status

A refugee is an alien admitted to the U.S. because of persecution by his/her country of citizenship. See RM 00203.400B.37. for a full definition of refugee.

A refugee is treated as a permanent resident alien and has permanent work authorization from DHS.

A refugee applying for an original SSN card must supply evidence of age, identity and immigration status. See the EXCEPTION to this rule in RM 00203.020 if the refugee has no documents other than his/her immigration document(s) and is applying for an original SSN card.

If the applicant is age 12 or older and applying for an original SSN card, the refugee must appear for an in-person interview per RM 00202.055.

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1. Evidence of immigration status submitted by the refugee

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a. I-94 submitted

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The legend “Admitted as a refugee pursuant to section 207 of the INA. If you depart the U.S. you will need prior permission from INS to return.”

The port of entry (POE), date of inspection and inspection officer’s identification.

The words “employment authorized.”

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See RM 00203.450B.3. for an exhibit of a tear-off I-94 portion of Form I-797A. See RM 00203.450B.5. for an exhibit of an I-94 issued to a refugee.
b. Employment Authorization Document (EAD) submitted

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Form I-688B and shows “274A.12(A)(3)” on the face of the card under Provision of Law; or

Form I-766 and shows “A3” under Category.

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a. Using SAVE to verify refugee status

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[Blado]

Oh Lawdee...
Dis be raciss!
I be tellin ya honey...
DIS BE RAAAyyyyyCCCISSSSS!!!!!

[SatinDoll]

“Really? Why are we just now reading about this?”

I know what you mean. It is all a little too convenient and smells of another ‘red herring’.

[mojitojoe]

Well one thing that is certain, is that if that is Barry Husseien in that photo he sure was a fat little effer.