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'Fast & Furious' gets hotter for Holder
New York Post ^ | 07/07/2011 | Michael A. Walsh

Posted on 07/07/2011 6:19:09 AM PDT by safetysign

Don't look now, but the real action in Washington this week isn't the parti san wrangling over the debt ceiling but something -- literally -- even more incendiary: Operation Fast and Furious, which seems about to explode right in the face of Attorney General Eric Holder -- and maybe other administration officials, too.

Also known as Project Gunrunner, the Arizona-based operation was supposed to be a sting, under which the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is part of the Justice Department, allowed "straw purchasers" to transfer weapons from gun shops in Arizona to Mexican drug cartels to trace and halt crossborder arms-trafficking.

That's the official version, anyway -- but it's crumbling, fast.

The ATF's acting director, Kenneth Melson, has been singing like a canary to congressional investigators as he pushes back against administration pressure for him to resign and take the fall for something that, at the very least, had to include the US Attorney's Office, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and possibly the Homeland Security Department.

In a letter to Holder released yesterday, Rep. Daryl Issa and Sen. Chuck Grassley accused the Justice Department of blocking their investigation into the burgeoning scandal (which has resulted in the deaths of at least two American agents and countless Mexican civilians), muzzling the ATF and involving other federal agencies, including the FBI and the DEA, in funding the crackpot scheme.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; drugs; gunrunner; gunwalker; justicedept; mexico
Holder should be in the slammer along with his beloved Black Panthers.
1 posted on 07/07/2011 6:19:09 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: safetysign

Issa, Grassley blast Holder in letter after secret meeting with ATF’s Ken Melson

Published: 10:20 AM 07/06/2011 | Updated: 6:01 PM 07/06/2011

Melson appeared with only his personal attorney at the secret meeting with Congressional investigators. Melson was originally scheduled to conduct the interview on July 13 with Justice Department attorneys and his personal attorney present, but Melson abandoned DOJ representation after learning of a provision in his agreement to testify that allowed him to do so. (Issa staffer: Gunrunner investigation points much higher than ATF director)

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/06/issa-grassley-blast-holder-in-letter-after-secret-meeting-with-atfs-ken-melson/#ixzz1RQMLBF7z


2 posted on 07/07/2011 6:21:07 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: safetysign

What incompetent bunch of jacka$$e$.


3 posted on 07/07/2011 6:27:02 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: DooDahhhh

Everything looked so easy in the textbook, though. /s


4 posted on 07/07/2011 6:29:00 AM PDT by camerongood210
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To: DooDahhhh

See related article re Operation Causeway, related gunrunner operation out of Tampa.


5 posted on 07/07/2011 6:30:13 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: safetysign

Manipulation is obviously not Holder’s strong point


6 posted on 07/07/2011 6:35:43 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: safetysign

This is becoming a snowball rolling downhill.

The Tampa Field Office of BATFE conducted a similar program that assisted the flow of firearms into Honduras.

We can expect to find similar programs in California, New Mexico and Texas.

It is also alleged that such programs were being conducted in cities like Philadelphia, where firearms were allowed to get into the hands of inner city gangs unimpeded.


7 posted on 07/07/2011 6:38:30 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: safetysign
Holder should be in the slammer along with his beloved Black Panthers

IF there is a God in Heaven (which of course I do believe there is) the most corrupt, biased, racist, hack Attorney General in my 67 years on Mom Gaia, will get his comeuppance and be (at the very least) forced to resign in disgrace.

8 posted on 07/07/2011 6:40:52 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“It is also alleged that such programs were being conducted in cities like Philadelphia, where firearms were allowed to get into the hands of inner city gangs unimpeded.”

If that’s the case, someone needs to determine how many American youths have been killed with those weapons. And I want to know if stimulus funds paid for the weapons.


10 posted on 07/07/2011 6:44:21 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: DooDahhhh

Do not mistake this for incompetence. This was malicious.


11 posted on 07/07/2011 6:45:54 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Gotta wonder about Chicago.


12 posted on 07/07/2011 6:46:20 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: yldstrk
Holders ONLY strong points are being stupid and looking stupid(countenance)..

...the longer he stays in his position, the stupider he looks.

13 posted on 07/07/2011 6:46:26 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: safetysign

bump for later


14 posted on 07/07/2011 6:47:32 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Racism trumps common sense - Holder is a prime example.


15 posted on 07/07/2011 6:49:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DooDahhhh

Incompetent? Naw. They were very successful, insofar as they achieved their goal of exporting thousands of arms thru the most RKBA-damaging way possible. You can’t keep such a large productive project secret indefinitely.

They did exactly what they intended to.
They just forgot one little thing: _somebody_, _someday_, would talk.

(Hence the big problem with most conspiracy theories: they assume that a project that big with that many involved would suffer no whistle-blowing.)


16 posted on 07/07/2011 6:51:23 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: safetysign

Even tho the focus is on the Barry Soetoro administration we MUST NOT forget the democrat party would approve this if they could keep it quiet. In other words liberals see no problem w/ the means (F&F) given the ends (draconian gun control). The democrats should never ever be allowed to govern again. In fact this applies to much of the republican party as well. Our govt has become so corrupt they believe its OK to abridge our rights via covert operations such as F&F et al. I think for every operation discovered there must be many others that never see the light of day.


17 posted on 07/07/2011 6:52:06 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: safetysign

Crucify him.


18 posted on 07/07/2011 7:00:44 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: All

Holder WILL resign soon....


19 posted on 07/07/2011 7:00:56 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Lurker
Do not mistake this for incompetence. This was malicious.

Absolutely!

The media is currently trying to frame this story as "a good program gone wrong" or "incompetence". We know it was far more evil.

If this program was taking place in Tampa and other Field Offices, separated from each other, it becomes clearer and clearer that someone far higher up was orchestrating this.

20 posted on 07/07/2011 7:02:50 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: DooDahhhh

What a treasonous bunch of Jacka@$$s.


21 posted on 07/07/2011 7:07:12 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rstrahan

That one probably had a different purpose: to let the Honduran Strongman Zalaya’s people buy weapons to use in overturning law and order in that country — which seems to have been the Obama regime’s official policy.


22 posted on 07/07/2011 7:07:21 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: Josephat
Gotta wonder about Chicago.

As I have posted elsewhere, it is alleged that this program was taking place in multiple BATFE field offices around the country.

The border offices were allowing the weapons to flow into Mexico and Honduras, but it is alleged that the interior field offices (like Philadelphia and Chicago) were facilitating the weapons to flow to inner-city gangs.

If this can be proven, it becomes far more insidious and evil while pointing to being orchestrated at the highest levels of government.

23 posted on 07/07/2011 7:08:23 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: safetysign; All

So that we don’t get caught up in a CF over terminology like what happened during the “Whitewater” hearings, I’d like to get something straight. It is my understanding that;

1) Project Gunrunner was the Bush era operation which was designed to catch straw purchasers in the US and resulted in about 1200 arrests.
2) Operation Fast and Furious was the Obama era plan to allow straw purchasers to transport weapons across the border into Mexico to see where they ended up. (supposedly)
3) Operation Castaway was the same as F&F only Honduras was the (first) destination.
4) Gunwalker was a term coined by some media hack and has no true basis as the name of a gov’t. operation.

Ya can’t know the players if ya don’t have a scorecard.

Please correct me if I’m wrong on any of this.


24 posted on 07/07/2011 7:12:20 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Lurker
Padding gun control statics

This is a attempt to violate the US constitution under color of law

not to mention accessory to murder

25 posted on 07/07/2011 7:14:49 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Erik Latranyi
It is also alleged that such programs were being conducted in cities like Philadelphia, where firearms were allowed to get into the hands of inner city gangs unimpeded.

Certainly Mike Fitzpatrick will find out for sure.

Message Subject: Fast and Furious
Message Text:
With the currently unfolding Fast and Furious scandal bringing a similar case in Florida to light, I'd like you to find out if any agency of the Department of Justice ran a similar second amendment scam here in the Philadelphia region. If so, I expect to hear from your office about it and then I'd like to read a press release from you condemning all such unConstitutional actions committed by the Executive branch

26 posted on 07/07/2011 7:16:57 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: KeyLargo

So the agents sold the guns in order to track them. But they didn’t track many of the guns. Sounds like somebodies made some money off this little project. AND - it would have been a perfect set-up for more gun laws in this country. Wouldn’t it be funny and wonderful if this little project was Great Leader’s downfall? Will Holder take the fall for Obama? Probably...


27 posted on 07/07/2011 7:19:32 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Lurker
many suspect that "Fast and Furious" was a backdoor attempt to smear domestic gun aficionados as part of its stealth efforts on gun control by executive fiat.

Count me among the many.

28 posted on 07/07/2011 7:23:40 AM PDT by DManA
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To: rstrahan
Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras

Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 6 July, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:52:14 AM by marktwain

Part of 'Operation Castaway'?

Exclusive Special Report by Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea

Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious, it was reported to these correspondents this evening via private correspondence from a proven credible source.

On 21 September, 2010, A. Brian Albritton, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida issued a press release on Operation Castaway:

Welcome to the party pal

29 posted on 07/07/2011 7:29:45 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: safetysign

JBT scumbag Holder likely does NOTHING without Obama’s orders or approval, so I hope this thing blows up in the Halffrican’s face as well and we can impeach his ass.


30 posted on 07/07/2011 7:46:16 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I am stunned. I shouldnt be because it figures they would do this elsewhere.

Now, what about those Black Panthers in Philadelphia. Do they get some of these guns, too?


31 posted on 07/07/2011 8:11:26 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Erik Latranyi

“If this program was taking place in Tampa and other Field Offices, separated from each other, it becomes clearer and clearer that someone far higher up was orchestrating this.”

This point needs to be emphasized. If anyone believes some renegade field office in ATF was doing this on their own, they have little concept about how the bureauracy operates.

I believe the head of the Tampa office was promoted to DC to coordinate similar activities in ATF. So, connect the dots...an idea to track illegal sales domestically somewhat strickly controlled prior to 2010 evolved into a program to get arms to Honduras under ATF in Tampa and a similar program to get guns to Mexico by way of Phoenix ATF. My guess is the head of the Tampa office got promoted to DC to coordinate an ATF national program as part of an interjurisdiction task force under the Department of Justice. For all this coordination to happen amoungst the various US attorneys and between different offices of DOJ and other agencies means it was run higher in the DOJ, probably right under Holder who presumably was informing his majesty all along the way. My further guess is one of the reasons for such an international project was to undermine the second amendment but the little trap being set by Obama and his minions may end up snaring them.


32 posted on 07/07/2011 8:18:38 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“...most corrupt, biased, racist, hack Attorney General in my 67 years on Mom Gaia, will get his comeuppance and be (at the very least) forced to resign in disgrace.”

And take his think alike king with him


33 posted on 07/07/2011 8:20:23 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: safetysign

Holder— Isn’t this the guy who said Americans are cowards when it comes to race? Wonder if he thinks the same about the
Mexicans? The way this Administration has been packing the fudge of the Mexican Govt. officials I’d think Holder might be a bit afraid of Mexican prison— Or does he have enough money to buy his way out?


34 posted on 07/07/2011 8:54:46 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I have to think it might be very dangerous for anyone looking to prove it. Pray for them and us.


35 posted on 07/07/2011 9:01:32 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: ctdonath2
Incompetent? Naw. They were very successful, insofar as they achieved their goal of exporting thousands of arms thru the most RKBA-damaging way possible. You can’t keep such a large productive project secret indefinitely.

They did exactly what they intended to.
They just forgot one little thing: _somebody_, _someday_, would talk.

(Hence the big problem with most conspiracy theories: they assume that a project that big with that many involved would suffer no whistle-blowing.)


The Obama Administration thought that after the 2008 election they would be in power for the next 20 years and Pelosi and Reid would be able to keep a lid on this and suppress any investigations until well after the new gun they envisioned were in effect. As is is , they were able to stonewall for a pretty long time.
36 posted on 07/07/2011 9:05:14 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: safetysign
Bttt.

5.56mm

37 posted on 07/07/2011 9:09:27 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Maverick68

I hope you are right, but I doubt it.


38 posted on 07/07/2011 12:46:36 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: rstrahan
See related article re Operation Causeway, related gunrunner operation out of Tampa.

To Honduras.

And what was the point of this scam, do you suppose?

It may have had no relation to Fast & Furious. Or the 2nd Amendment.

More likely, it was an attempt to arm Manuel Zelaya's supporters -- a dictator whom the Obama administration still wants to see in power, as against Honduras' legal government.

Thus, it may constitute a second impeachable offense...

39 posted on 07/07/2011 12:58:14 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: AD from SpringBay

There were three purposes for the gangsta government doing this operation.

First, to arm Obama’s American inner city criminals for the coming uprising when budget cuts hit welfare due to a financial collapse crisis orchestrated by Obama;

Second to assist the Muslim brothers who are partners with the drug lords in Mexico;

and third to give the gangsta government fodder for violating the second amendment and banning guns from Obama’s enemies - law abiding Americans.


40 posted on 07/07/2011 1:01:09 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: okie01

I think your post 39 is spot on, and makes a tremendous amount of sense.


41 posted on 07/07/2011 1:03:25 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Holders ONLY strong points are being stupid and looking stupid(countenance)..

...the longer he stays in his position, the stupider he looks.

You may have forgotten to add that he is an affirmative action moron.

42 posted on 07/07/2011 6:12:34 PM PDT by dearolddad
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