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Two Soldiers Killed by One Bullet. Taliban Sniper Used Old British Rifle
Gather ^ | July 09, 2011 | Dexter X. South

Posted on 07/09/2011 7:36:11 PM PDT by bkopto

Two Soldiers in Afghanistan knelt to study their map. One quick shot rings out, and both men fall. One shot through the head and the other through the neck. Considering all of today's military technology, it is surprising to learn how it happened.

Private Lewis Hendry and Private Conrad Lewis were part of a patrol looking for a sniper that had fired upon another group of soldier's the day before. Once they came to the suspected area, the two soldiers knelt behind a wall and started looking at their map as they called out for a possible target location. A shot rang out and both men fell to their right. One died immediately, the other passed away in flight to a medical facility.

Military officials say the culprit is a 55-year-old Afghan male who uses an old Enfield rifle made in Britain. The rifle is just one of millions made since 1903. Different versions have been the favorite of snipers for over one hundred years. Highly accurate and simple to use, the bolt-action Enfield has been found in almost every war since their inception. Equipped with a powerful scope, they can be deadly at great distances. However, a well-trained and disciplined sniper can kill easily with just the basic rifle.

Ironically, the two solders were members of the British military, the very same army for which the weapon was designed. Americans often discount the power, ability and dedication of the British military. This tragic incident is just one of many for British soldiers as they have tread beside our own in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Intentionally killing two soldiers with one shot is the hallmark of a dedicated sniper. It does matter if he used an antique fire arm and rides around on a common motorbike. This sniper is one to be reckoned with and is described by Sergeant Major Richard Hames of Britain's 3 PARA unit as "the most well-trained and patient assassin we have come up against in Afghanistan." Do not worry; it will not be long before the sniper is dead. One of the deadliest and most historic armies in the world has his number.


TOPICS: Extended News; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; banglist; taliban
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RIP, Tommys.

Tit for tat, as British sniper takes out TWO Taliban with a single bullet

1 posted on 07/09/2011 7:36:19 PM PDT by bkopto
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To: bkopto
"Americans often discount the power, ability and dedication of the British military."

No, it's the french we discount.

2 posted on 07/09/2011 7:39:33 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: bkopto

I gotta 50BMG for Dawil, Achmed and Moohamed


3 posted on 07/09/2011 7:40:30 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: bkopto

A British .303 round is devastating. A friend of mine has a Canadian manufactured Mk IV Enfield from 1943. We took it outside into the woods and fired a few rounds, one of which took out the lower trunk of a small tree upon impact.


4 posted on 07/09/2011 7:41:43 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: bkopto
The best way to kill an enemy sniper is with your own snipers...
5 posted on 07/09/2011 7:43:27 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

And the bolt action is brilliant as butter.


6 posted on 07/09/2011 7:44:39 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: bkopto
"Americans often discount the power, ability and dedication of the British military."

Hogwash.

7 posted on 07/09/2011 7:47:09 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: bkopto
Heres a little 20mm number for the hajis to eat.


8 posted on 07/09/2011 7:49:14 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: krb
"Hogwash. "

I agree with you. There have been situations (iranian boarding party and Basrah in Iraq for example) where I've been upset by the political leadership of the British military, but I've never doubted the ability of their service members.

9 posted on 07/09/2011 7:57:45 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: mylife
that's a real nice lookin' piece.

10 posted on 07/09/2011 8:00:06 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam / BigEars) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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To: bkopto

It is said that the Americans entered WWI with a target rifle, the Germans used a hunting rifle, and the British used a battle rifle.


11 posted on 07/09/2011 8:01:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

The durn gun is worth more than the truck LoL

Who knew the Finns could design such a bad mammajamma?


12 posted on 07/09/2011 8:03:49 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
A British .303 round is devastating.

It was designed to stop a cavalry charge by killing the horses at 600 yards.

13 posted on 07/09/2011 8:12:50 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee; hiredhand; MileHi; Lurker; glock rocks; Gilbo_3

FYI ping....


14 posted on 07/09/2011 8:13:21 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: mylife
The durn gun is worth more than the truck...
Who knew the Finns could design such a bad mammajamma?

the Soviets / Russians...
they (the Finns :), know them well, look how the ChiCOMs
are arming-up....for the Bear / Uncle Sam & India.


15 posted on 07/09/2011 8:21:30 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam / BigEars) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Indeed.


16 posted on 07/09/2011 8:28:20 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: bkopto
I hope so damn much that they get that filthy little POS sniper and KILL him.

Rest in Peace, tommies. May you be avenged ten-fold.

17 posted on 07/09/2011 8:28:33 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Squantos

Thanks for the ping. I was guessing Enfield when I clicked on it. Just damn.


18 posted on 07/09/2011 8:34:51 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what ?)
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To: bkopto

Years ago I had an Ishapore arsenal Enfield in my hot little paws. It was rearsenaled for .308 NATO

The shop owner talked me out of it saying they had feed issues.
I don’t know why he talked me out of a sale.
I still wish I had bought that .308 Ishapore

I haven’t seen one since.


19 posted on 07/09/2011 8:36:32 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishapore_2A1_rifle


20 posted on 07/09/2011 8:42:27 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: glock rocks

I still use an old 30-40 Krag carbine my Grandpa gave me long ago for a Mulie or Elk now an then. Very accurate rifle albeit old. Slicker action than an enfield IMO.

A scoped or properly peeped surplus rifle is a very good rig to this day an many tomorrows....

This old bastard can shoot.... But they will get him.

Prayers for the Brits an Aussies fighting with our troops.

Bless em all....


21 posted on 07/09/2011 8:44:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: bkopto
SMLE Pictures, Images and Photos
22 posted on 07/09/2011 8:47:59 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: mylife

I know that guy and I have fired that weapon.


23 posted on 07/09/2011 8:48:31 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: P8riot

You’re a lucky SOB.

That ammo aint easy to find.


24 posted on 07/09/2011 8:50:48 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Celtic Cross

Actually the .303 is sort of tepid in comparison to the US .30 M-2 (.30-06) or the Russian 7.62 X 54R round, both of which were around in WW-I. For that matter the German 8mm will outshoot the .303.
Ballistically, the .303 is about on a par with the old Span Am War .30-40 Krag.
Although it might not reach as far or hit as hard as these other rounds, it is still a round to be reckoned with, and packs a lot more whallop than either the US 5.56mm or the Soviet 7.62X39 round used in the ubiquitous AK-47.

Our government supplied the Afghani “freedom fighters” with a lot of these cheap, surplus Enfields back when they were fighting off the Russians, and now a lot of them have been turned back against us by the Taliban. I have heard that the average Muchmett is pretty casual about maintenance and with the corrosive old cordite ammo the barrels are pretty rotted out, and few of the natives can shoot all that well to begin with - but they are still a very serious threat. Every now and then they get a Mercenary from Serbia or Croatia who is a combat seasoned rifleman and can give our Snipers a real run for their money with even an antiquated Enfield or Mosin Nagant. I rather suspect that the “sniper” (a lot of these shots are made from under 100 meters so I’m not sure the term “sniper” is appropriate) is from away, and probably knows how to vanish into the local population pretty quickly.


25 posted on 07/09/2011 8:52:59 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: P8riot

Ive never fired a Lahti.

I am still kicking myself in the arse for not buying a .243 Valmet

I got an 1897 Finn arsenaled Mosin Nagant from the Winter War for $100


26 posted on 07/09/2011 8:57:53 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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re arsenaled.

It was originally made in Setstroyetsk Russia


27 posted on 07/09/2011 9:00:19 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

I bought a brace of those Ishy Enfields in .308 a while back. My first experience with that action. Once I got them cleaned up, they shot like a dream. No feed issues.

They’re my stash ‘em and hide ‘em rainy day go-to rifles. Guaranteed to shoot well enough to get you a better rifle. Or put meat on the table.


28 posted on 07/09/2011 9:10:44 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: mylife

What is that thing?


29 posted on 07/09/2011 9:11:05 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

20mm Finnish anti tank gun called the “Lahti”


30 posted on 07/09/2011 9:12:55 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Noumenon

Got a spare for sale?


31 posted on 07/09/2011 9:13:51 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

Won’t sell ‘em. The extras I have are for those who know to seek refuge here when things become... unpleasant. None of my trusted associates will leave here without adequate food, clothing or armament if they need it.


32 posted on 07/09/2011 9:23:22 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly so. I was checking for that quote in this line.

I really should have picked a few Enfields up 12-14 years ago when you could get them for well under $100 each, and that was with good bores.


33 posted on 07/09/2011 9:25:37 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
In this thread.
34 posted on 07/09/2011 9:26:05 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Noumenon

I shoulda bought a case of them yugo SKS’s for $680 back in the day for the same reason.

.308 is mo better though


35 posted on 07/09/2011 9:26:17 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

That was about 10 yrs ago. Lost track of Gordon. Last I heard he was in NY. Don’t remember if the gun was actually his, but it was a hoot to shoot.


36 posted on 07/09/2011 9:26:48 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: Noumenon

I’ve got one in .303 and one in .308, but my go-to rifles are all Mosin-Nagants. 7.62x54R is cheaper than .303 or .308, just as effective, and there is still a lot of surplus available.


37 posted on 07/09/2011 9:32:21 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: P8riot

NY? I bet he aint there no more.
They have good pizza there.
They have good skiing, but they have lousy gun laws


38 posted on 07/09/2011 9:33:58 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: P8riot

Me thinks the bottom line to this story is that for every haji that has a rifle, there are 10 of us with 10 spares to hand out to the neighbors.


39 posted on 07/09/2011 9:38:43 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

Yeah, those SKS made good, serviceable hand-out rifles back when they were cheaper.


40 posted on 07/09/2011 9:45:23 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I got mine for $110 each. Looked like they’d been on the march, but shot very little if at all.


41 posted on 07/09/2011 9:47:19 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: mylife

For those curious about the Lathi L-39, the following may be of interest. The designers brother fired the first two magazine, and wanted more, but they were out. Not too bad on the recoil, evidently.

But, don’t make changes to such a gun, lest the recoil increase. The descriptions are priceless, and the amount of data on that site is remarkable.

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/QA2.html


42 posted on 07/09/2011 9:47:56 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: Noumenon
I had one of those old Enfield .303s and learned a valuable lesson about the “feed” problems. Seems a load of them were shipped here with the rifles in one crate/pallet/box/whatever and the bolts were shipped in another. Reassembled without checking the headspace (whether the bolt actually FIT that particular rifle). Oh, the bolt would go in, but if the headspace wasn't correct, it could cause the brass cartridge to swell around the base when fired, thus causing an extraction or “feed” problem, not to mention being somewhat dangerous. I got rid of it as soon as I learned what it might do......
43 posted on 07/09/2011 10:08:43 PM PDT by Southbound ("A liar in public life is worse than a full-paid-up Communist, and I don't care who he is." - HST)
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To: Noumenon
The Yugo SKS's also have tons of war art. I have one that reads "Faith in God, Fatherland and Buda" Buda being the 13th century Budamir who held off the muslim hordes
44 posted on 07/09/2011 10:14:39 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Squantos
Unless the shooter is very, very good, he'll get his due...probably from the air... probably overkill, but he'll get his due. If they know the shooter's gender, age, and weapon details, then I'm willing to wager that they know a whole lot more about him, and his time is therefore SHORT. This type of information doesn't just fly out of somebody's butt without other preceding information on the guy.

We've got a No-4 Mk-1 Enfield (U.S. Lend Lease) and it's a heck of a rifle by it's own right. The old WW-I and WW-II ammo left some to be desired, but mainly because of bullet design. The round nosed, jacketed bullets were good for their time, but compared to high B.C. projectiles available today, they're sub-standard performers. We've got a hand-load behind a 150gr Speer spitzer that will give the .308 Winchester a run for its money at several hundred yards!

Yeah... prayers up for our troops, as well as the Brits and Aussies fighting with them. ...hope they get the shooter soon!
45 posted on 07/09/2011 10:23:36 PM PDT by hiredhand
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http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=497576


46 posted on 07/09/2011 10:26:20 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Noumenon

Yeah, those SKS made good, serviceable hand-out rifles back when they were cheaper.

**********************

How much are they now, roughly?


47 posted on 07/09/2011 10:34:00 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Back in 1995-96 I worked for a small department store (Rose's) that sold surplus military rifles (Enfields, Mausers, Mosin-Nagants, and the occasional '03 Springfield) at rediculously low prices (Enfields for under $50, Mausers for $50-100, Nagants for $30, and the Springfields for $150) but I only bought a couple because I'm left-handed and have a hard time dealing with the bolt action.

I have kicked myself ever since. They would have made perfect weapons to cache for a rainy day or save to sell at gun shows. But I was young and dumb at the time.

The one Swedish Mauser (M96) that I picked up is in almost mint condition, with all matching numbers and a beautiful white birch stock. Even though I have a hard time working the action, it is a joy to shoot. But that metal butt plate is killer.

48 posted on 07/09/2011 10:36:43 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes, that is said. Whatever the case, the Yanks turned the tide in that war with their rifles, tactics and abilities.


49 posted on 07/09/2011 10:40:42 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Psalm 144

Looks like they’re around $250 - $350 depending on origin and condition. Used to be around $120-$140.


50 posted on 07/09/2011 10:47:40 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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