Posted on 07/10/2011 1:47:28 AM PDT by Strategy
TEHRAN, Iran -- A senior Revolutionary Guard commander threatened Saturday that U.S. aircraft carriers would be targeted if Iran came under attack amid a standoff with the West over Tehran's nuclear program.
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“Mother of all battles” Islamobabble......it’s the way of the region.
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Perhaps. But in wargames from the runup to the attack on Saddam, a Marine general defeated the Navy forces by overwhelming the TF defenses. A force of small but very fast missile-carrying speedboats overwhelmed the screen and knocked out the carrier.
Now picture Iran with a similar strategy. Many small boats and large numbers of drones converging on the TF in those narrow waters. It’s not like Okinawa anymore. The ships have few guns and are much more fragile when hit.
Get cocky if you like but it’s not an impossible mission.
Iran has to know that if they were to sink one of our carriers even this marxist mooselimb magic negro will have to nuke their sorry asses.
And if he didn’t respond thusly then he’d get the axe and the next pres would do so.
from Wiki:
Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise ...and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military “transformation”—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more powerful weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as “Blue”, and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, “Red”.
Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lt. General Paul K. Van Riper, used old methods to evade Blue’s sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.
Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue’s fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces’ electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships.
An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel.
Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue’s navy was “sunk” by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue’s inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]
At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue’s ships were “re-floated”, and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: “You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days’ worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?”[2]
After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action, leading to allegations that the exercise was scripted and “$250 million was wasted”.[3] Due to his concerns about the scripted nature of the new exercise, Van Riper resigned his position in the midst of the war game.
He was quoted in the BBC–Discovery Channel documentary The Perfect War[4] as saying that what he saw in MC02 echoed the same view promoted by the Department of Defense under Robert McNamara.
Two things not considered in your statement. War games are set upon as conditions are applied to each defensive and offensive force. Was the carrier actually playing the part of a US carrier?
Second, do you honestly think they learned nothing if the carrier was in full combat configuration for these games?
Do these idiots in the press really think that in a war you don't go after the enemy.
That worked so well in “the run up to the war on Saddam”, but in the event, the Iraqis were no threat to the U.S. and allied Naval and Air Forces. In other words, they were invincible on paper and worthless in combat.
The Iranians, with three times the population and ecomomy, struggled for ten years to fight Iraq to a standstill. How long would they survive against the U.S.?
The lesson of the Iraq war is that we don’t do nation building, we do military conquest.
I’ll huff and I’ll puff..... =.=
The Iranians had better be careful. If 0bama is backed into a corner and is dealing with bad or disastrous re-election prospects, he’ll be like a cornered animal. If he thinks that it could help...and of course it might, Iran could taste the result of his panic.
How many “Warthogs” do we have waiting out there to clean up those fast boats?
What is a warthog....... an A10?
I am reading a book that seemed to say a warthog was a Cobra helicopter.
First and foremost, did the Navy have the opportunity for a preemptive strike? Next, was the games presuming that there was no forward observation by recon units in both the air as well as assets on the ground in Iran?
Finally, it sounds like the Navy was trying to ascertain, based on current Iranian assets, what the result would be if Iran used those assets without retaliation. Sort of like fighting with your kid brother and letting him pummel you to see if the kid can give you a bloody nose.
Where I would have concern is going back a couple of years when a Chinese sub got within striking distance of a carrier group. I cannot imagine that the information gleaned by the Chinese wasn’t fed to Iran.
I don’t believe that CVN carry Warhogs, but LPD should carry Apaches. One Marine Apache could wreck havoc on a swarm of fast missile boats. Asymmetry my ass.
“If he thinks that it could help...and of course it might, Iran could taste the result of his panic.”
That being the case, you don’t take 75% of your military which is sitting on Iran’s doorstep and bring them home. If anything, you run exercises with the Iraq military as close to Iran as possible and you see how Iran and it’s allies respond.
Lots of A10s in Saudi and Iraq.
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