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Anatomy of a Scandal – Project Gunrunner
Handgun Club of America ^ | July 8, 2011 | by hcaeditor

Posted on 07/11/2011 2:17:58 AM PDT by Islander7

Handgun Club of America has been following the BATFE Project Gunrunner scandal as it unfolds. Like any government scandal, the media doesn’t always present a clear picture of what’s going on. Fortunately, with this scandal two RKBA advocates were on the ground-floor, so to speak, as the information came out. Thus, we can provide you a chronological look at the scandal as it unfolds.

Below you’ll find a .PDF file that documents the unfolding scandal and provides a good look at the issues involved. You’ll need Adobe Acrobat reader (click to get Acrobat reader free) to read the file if you’ve never used a .PDF file before.

The timeline shows how this scandal developed and allows you to understand just how dishonest and subversive this undertaking was. More importantly, we hope you’ll be as outraged at the implications it has for our country, our government and our constitution.

BREAKING:

A second “Gun walking” scandal is developing in the Tampa ATF field office. It appears that the Tampa field division had it’s own version of Operation Fast and Furious, letting guns “walk” into Honduras in Central America. Tampa’s Operation Castaway mirrors the debacle in Phoenix.

(Excerpt) Read more at handgunclub.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; castaway; corruption; dea; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; melson; obama; stimulusdollars
Project Gunrunner Timeline

We will update the .PDF file and let you know in this section the current date of the document. On the document itself, there will be a date-time stamp so you can see if your document is current.

We decided to use the .PDF format because it’s easily downloaded to your computer and can then be easily e-mailed to family, friends and other shooters. We also suggest that if you know some “anti-gun liberals” that you email it to them too. If they’re not shocked, surprised or outraged, they probably shouldn’t be outdoors without supervision.

LINK TO PDF FILE OF TIME LINE

30 Page PDF file with footnotes and links to relevant documents.

1 posted on 07/11/2011 2:18:00 AM PDT by Islander7
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To: Islander7
I don't want a PDF file of the time-line.

I want a PDF file of Obama's Articles of Impeachment.
And a PDF file of Holder's Prison Sentence to 1,000 Life Terms in Federal Prison for Murder, Conspiracy & Gun-Running -- that are to run consecutively!

:-)

2 posted on 07/11/2011 4:02:57 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Islander7
Issa will be on Fox and Friends this morning,(coming up soon) to talk about Fast and Furious.
3 posted on 07/11/2011 4:19:27 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Islander7
Thank you for this thread and the link to the PDF file.

Too many times here at FR, well-meaning folks will get an inaccurate bone in their teeth and run with it. Threads like this are what is needed to stop such wasted efforts and appearances of wing-nutery.

4 posted on 07/11/2011 4:24:34 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Durus; RummyChick; Carborundum

PING!! PDF file is excellent


5 posted on 07/11/2011 4:27:45 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: holdonnow
PING!!

A very clear, concise and documented explanation of who, what, when, where and how.

6 posted on 07/11/2011 4:36:19 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: GlockThe Vote

PING


7 posted on 07/11/2011 4:37:27 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: opentalk
Segment with Issa wasn't given much time, FOX seemed to rush Issa .(a little odd)

Issa did say only 2 guns were given a tracking device. Otherwise there was no tracking of where the guns went until they showed up at a crime scene.

Basically, administration is stonewalling investigation.

8 posted on 07/11/2011 4:43:41 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Condor51

You need to carefully read the article in this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2746706/posts?page=1

There is far more to this..and I always knew there was...just waiting for people to start talking about it.


9 posted on 07/11/2011 5:13:05 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
(I was being facetious. I *thought* the smiley face was a tip-off)
10 posted on 07/11/2011 5:16:03 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Roccus

Thanks. If you notice the April 2009 statement by DOJ, as well as the clip from that Ass. AG, both clearly say they are starting NEW INITIATIVES on the border at the behest of Obama and Holder. Logical inference is that is F&F.

If not, why has holder or melson not said what those “new initiatives” are in order to exculpate themselves from this?


11 posted on 07/11/2011 5:23:04 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
As I said on the other thread...it ain't PROOF.

Do I believe Zer0 and Holder were in on it from Inauguration Day? YES!!!

Can we PROVE it? NO!

12 posted on 07/11/2011 5:28:22 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: GlockThe Vote

Even Codrea says this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2746629/posts


13 posted on 07/11/2011 5:30:54 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Islander7
does it add up?:

Honduras? Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras?

and this........

Obama Admin Lobbying Honduras To Allow Zelaya Back In? Are You Kidding?

What could possibly be the motive behind this lunacy?

On the last day of December last year, Manuel “Mel” Zelaya, the deposed Honduran president and self-described victim of high-frequency radiation attacks by Israeli mercenaries, vowed to the press that he would return to Honduras. Few outside of Honduras have paid much attention to Zelaya’s MacArthur-esque prediction, but it has become apparent there is more behind his declaration than his usual hyperbole and bombastic absurdities.

Behind the scenes in the Obama administration there appears to be a concerted effort to pressure the democratically elected government of President Porfirio Lobo to dismiss charges of misappropriation of government funds and falsifying documents that are pending against Zelaya. This would open the door for his return to the country, and would be certain to undermine the delicate process of reestablishing democracy and order that is currently taking place in this poor and beleaguered nation.

When Zelaya was removed from office in July of 2009, the Obama administration at first joined with leftist dictators Fidel Castro of Cuba, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua in calling for his reinstatement. The Obama White House seemed oblivious to the Honduran constitution, as well as the threat Zelaya posed to the stability of the country and the region. When the courageous Honduran people held firm to their democratic constitution and refused to yield to the pressure exerted by the U.S., the Obama administration found no way of saving face other than reversing course and backing the democratic presidential elections called for by their constitution.

The Honduran Connection 7.7.11 Now we know why Hillary Clinton and Obama were falling all over themselves to support and prop-up the Honduran Marxist dictator-wannabe, Manuel Zelaya back in 2009. I never could figure out why they would create such blatantly unflattering, pro-Marxist optics for the Obama regime for a small country like Honduras. Now it all makes perfect sense. Zelaya attempted to overthrow the Honduran constitution and install himself as dictator for life, a la Hugo Chavez. The Honduran Congress AND Supreme Court followed their Constitutional Rule of Law to the letter and removed Zelaya. Within hours Obama and Clinton were threatening Honduras and demanding that the Marxist dictator Zelaya be re-installed. Now we know why. Obama and Clinton were arming Zelaya and were coordinating with Zelaya to run arms through Honduras. Presumably the deal was that some of the arms would stay with Zelaya and most would move into Mexico from the South. Then, Obama and Clinton could "find" U.S. guns in Southern Mexico and Central America, and thus use these optics to bolster their false contention that "90%" of Mexican guns were sourced directly from the U.S. "See? U.S. guns are all the way down in Chiapas State and Guatemala. U.S. guns are everywhere! The Second Amendment simply is not feasible any longer!"

Baby Doc's Back - will Obama Back Aristide?

US revokes visas to pressure Haiti on election

14 posted on 07/11/2011 5:34:21 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Roccus

Its highly circumstantial evidence at the least and if this Ass Ag was spouting the same line as Holder in 2009 about these NEW INITIATIVES, then both need to be called back to testify again.


15 posted on 07/11/2011 5:34:40 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: All
US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why?
16 posted on 07/11/2011 5:47:16 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: GlockThe Vote

You CAN’T jump to conclusions.
You can’t go from A to D without going through B and C first.

Upthread I said “Can we PROVE it? NO!”.....I should have added “.....not yet!”


17 posted on 07/11/2011 5:52:13 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

I am making a logical inference from the timeline, funding, statements of the particpants, etc.

At a minimum, Holder needs to be called back asap.


18 posted on 07/11/2011 5:53:25 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Not ASAP. That was the problem with the Whitewater hearings. D’Amato couldn't wait to get them started and they accomplished nothing. There are still many questions to be answered like, “How many OTHER such operations were/are there of a similar nature?”

Issa seems to be getting all his ducks in a row. The alternative media is reporting on this in depth. Even the MSM is becoming involved as gov’t. entities answer questions and immediately have those answers proven false. I'd rather the drumbeat be steadily increased as is happening now and more information come to light before Holder, and ultimately Zer0, appear in the dock.

19 posted on 07/11/2011 6:04:34 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

We are on the same page. I personally like the drip drip drip drip drip method on this.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 6:06:42 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote; All

Cordrea says, “Ogden’s 24 March 2009 presser on Project Gunrunner not exactly an admission of gunwalking. On the importance of not “jumping to illusions.”

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/07/deputy-attorney-general-david-shorty.html

If the article is not still at the top, scroll down to that title.


21 posted on 07/11/2011 6:20:41 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Come on, do you think that an Attorney General is going to say:

“As part of our new admnistration, Obama has ordered us to let rifles and guns across the border to mexican cartels in straw purchases and see what happens” ? ? ?

LMFAO. This is as close as we are going to get unless these criminals are put under the hot lamp.


22 posted on 07/11/2011 6:32:59 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Islander7
Another frustrating article that conflates Operation Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious. People are being played like a fiddle by making these operations synonymous. All in hope of this administration being able to say “we didn't even start this program!” because in fact they didn't start Operation gunrunner (so they can say “it's Bush's fault” yet again)...but they did start Operation Fast and Furious.
23 posted on 07/11/2011 6:36:54 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Patience Grasshopper, patience.


24 posted on 07/11/2011 6:46:03 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Islander7

NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO FIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER

Wayne LaPierre

Dear Fellow American:

I’ve just returned from the border between the United States and Mexico and I’ve never witnessed anything like the stinking, rotten level of murder, corruption, cover-up, and conspiracy confronting us today.

This conspiracy ignited two years ago when U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder claimed that your Second Amendment rights are to blame for the drug crimes and killings in Mexico.

Holder and other top-level Obama Administration figures — even the President himself — claimed that 90% of the guns used by violent drug cartels were coming from American gun dealers.

In short, they blamed our Second Amendment rights for the violence of the Mexican drug cartels.

But leaked U.S. State Department cables have exposed this as a bald-faced LIE.

SIGN THE NATIONAL PETITION TO FIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER HERE:

https://www.nra.org/fireholder/Petition.aspx


25 posted on 07/11/2011 6:46:21 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Durus

They started in under the umbrella of Gun Runner, but F&F was entirely of Obama’s making, and the doj letter, and the presser by the ass. ag seems to allude to that.


26 posted on 07/11/2011 6:58:41 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Condor51

Cartel chief says U.S. gov't sold them weapons

(Washington Times) Mexican police released a videotaped interview of Jesus Enrique Rejon Aguilar, in which the recently captured No. 3 leader of the Los Zetas drug cartel ...

27 posted on 07/11/2011 7:04:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
I wonder what would happen if CIA finally had enough of Obama’s bungling and provided all the evidence to Congress of who knew what and when they knew it. Better release it through Drudge and Fox news and watch the MSM spin in their graves, especially NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and NYT.
28 posted on 07/11/2011 7:34:45 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: GlockThe Vote

What and or who started under the umbrella of operation gunrunner? The only links between these two seperate programs are that this administration is trying to conflate them. Do a google search for operation gunrunner and you will see that they have all but become synonomous. Do you realise the huge error this is by people who should know better?


29 posted on 07/11/2011 7:51:07 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: KeyLargo
Cartel chief says U.S. gov't sold them weapons
Yes. I saw that headline but didn't read the article.

As IMHO I already knew they did, or had to. Because there was no way these Mexican Cartels were getting Grenades, Rocket Launchers and Rockets (aka: Artillery), plus Full Auto Weapons from Wally World or any Gun Show or Store.

It had to be one source where these 'American Guns(1)' were coming from -- The US Government.

(1) Many regular folks don't know that our Special Operations Warriors have basically every type/make of weapon in the world in their 'weapons locker'. But the folks see: 'AK-47', and think -- Gun Show or Gun Store. Not from our gubmint.

an aside: We have a lifelong friend who was a Career Soldier (retired as an E8, Master Sergeant (Diamond in center) and spent most of his years in the Special Forces (MOS 18E). First with the 5th SF Group then the 10th SF Group. And back in the 80's their preferred weapon for a lot missions was the UZI.

30 posted on 07/11/2011 7:52:39 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Durus

Yes of course. But the money in the stim bill for fast and furious was listed as Gun runner.

I know the difference and of course the obama Junta is going to try to confuse the two.


31 posted on 07/11/2011 8:36:24 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Durus
ATF’s Fast and Furious Seems Colored With Shades of Iran/Contra Scandal

The operation that has put Melson in the hot seat before Congress is known as Fast and Furious, which was launched in October 2009 as an offshoot of Project Gunrunner — ATF’s larger effort to stem the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico

32 posted on 07/11/2011 11:35:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: MasterGunner01
I wonder what would happen if CIA finally had enough of Obama’s bungling and provided all the evidence to Congress of who knew what and when they knew it.

The problem with that is that the CIA may feel like kids in a candy store with doofuses like 0bama and Holder in charge. They are both sharp as banana peels and eminently black mailable. For an agency that wants to do whatever they feel like doing and get funding approved for wild-eyed black bag projects what could be better for them?

33 posted on 07/11/2011 11:41:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Durus
Another frustrating article that conflates Operation Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious

That's how they play the game. As I understand it, F&F was run under the Gunrunner umbrella and funded by Gunrunner.

You are correct though, not the same programs at all.

34 posted on 07/11/2011 12:32:25 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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