Skip to comments.Anatomy of a Scandal – Project Gunrunner
Posted on 07/11/2011 2:17:58 AM PDT by Islander7
Handgun Club of America has been following the BATFE Project Gunrunner scandal as it unfolds. Like any government scandal, the media doesnt always present a clear picture of whats going on. Fortunately, with this scandal two RKBA advocates were on the ground-floor, so to speak, as the information came out. Thus, we can provide you a chronological look at the scandal as it unfolds.
Below youll find a .PDF file that documents the unfolding scandal and provides a good look at the issues involved. Youll need Adobe Acrobat reader (click to get Acrobat reader free) to read the file if youve never used a .PDF file before.
The timeline shows how this scandal developed and allows you to understand just how dishonest and subversive this undertaking was. More importantly, we hope youll be as outraged at the implications it has for our country, our government and our constitution.
A second Gun walking scandal is developing in the Tampa ATF field office. It appears that the Tampa field division had its own version of Operation Fast and Furious, letting guns walk into Honduras in Central America. Tampas Operation Castaway mirrors the debacle in Phoenix.
(Excerpt) Read more at handgunclub.com ...
We will update the .PDF file and let you know in this section the current date of the document. On the document itself, there will be a date-time stamp so you can see if your document is current.
We decided to use the .PDF format because its easily downloaded to your computer and can then be easily e-mailed to family, friends and other shooters. We also suggest that if you know some anti-gun liberals that you email it to them too. If theyre not shocked, surprised or outraged, they probably shouldnt be outdoors without supervision.
30 Page PDF file with footnotes and links to relevant documents.
I want a PDF file of Obama's Articles of Impeachment.
And a PDF file of Holder's Prison Sentence to 1,000 Life Terms in Federal Prison for Murder, Conspiracy & Gun-Running -- that are to run consecutively!
Too many times here at FR, well-meaning folks will get an inaccurate bone in their teeth and run with it. Threads like this are what is needed to stop such wasted efforts and appearances of wing-nutery.
PING!! PDF file is excellent
A very clear, concise and documented explanation of who, what, when, where and how.
Issa did say only 2 guns were given a tracking device. Otherwise there was no tracking of where the guns went until they showed up at a crime scene.
Basically, administration is stonewalling investigation.
You need to carefully read the article in this thread
There is far more to this..and I always knew there was...just waiting for people to start talking about it.
Thanks. If you notice the April 2009 statement by DOJ, as well as the clip from that Ass. AG, both clearly say they are starting NEW INITIATIVES on the border at the behest of Obama and Holder. Logical inference is that is F&F.
If not, why has holder or melson not said what those “new initiatives” are in order to exculpate themselves from this?
Do I believe Zer0 and Holder were in on it from Inauguration Day? YES!!!
Can we PROVE it? NO!
Even Codrea says this.
What could possibly be the motive behind this lunacy?
On the last day of December last year, Manuel Mel Zelaya, the deposed Honduran president and self-described victim of high-frequency radiation attacks by Israeli mercenaries, vowed to the press that he would return to Honduras. Few outside of Honduras have paid much attention to Zelayas MacArthur-esque prediction, but it has become apparent there is more behind his declaration than his usual hyperbole and bombastic absurdities.
Behind the scenes in the Obama administration there appears to be a concerted effort to pressure the democratically elected government of President Porfirio Lobo to dismiss charges of misappropriation of government funds and falsifying documents that are pending against Zelaya. This would open the door for his return to the country, and would be certain to undermine the delicate process of reestablishing democracy and order that is currently taking place in this poor and beleaguered nation.
When Zelaya was removed from office in July of 2009, the Obama administration at first joined with leftist dictators Fidel Castro of Cuba, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua in calling for his reinstatement. The Obama White House seemed oblivious to the Honduran constitution, as well as the threat Zelaya posed to the stability of the country and the region. When the courageous Honduran people held firm to their democratic constitution and refused to yield to the pressure exerted by the U.S., the Obama administration found no way of saving face other than reversing course and backing the democratic presidential elections called for by their constitution.
The Honduran Connection 7.7.11 Now we know why Hillary Clinton and Obama were falling all over themselves to support and prop-up the Honduran Marxist dictator-wannabe, Manuel Zelaya back in 2009. I never could figure out why they would create such blatantly unflattering, pro-Marxist optics for the Obama regime for a small country like Honduras. Now it all makes perfect sense. Zelaya attempted to overthrow the Honduran constitution and install himself as dictator for life, a la Hugo Chavez. The Honduran Congress AND Supreme Court followed their Constitutional Rule of Law to the letter and removed Zelaya. Within hours Obama and Clinton were threatening Honduras and demanding that the Marxist dictator Zelaya be re-installed. Now we know why. Obama and Clinton were arming Zelaya and were coordinating with Zelaya to run arms through Honduras. Presumably the deal was that some of the arms would stay with Zelaya and most would move into Mexico from the South. Then, Obama and Clinton could "find" U.S. guns in Southern Mexico and Central America, and thus use these optics to bolster their false contention that "90%" of Mexican guns were sourced directly from the U.S. "See? U.S. guns are all the way down in Chiapas State and Guatemala. U.S. guns are everywhere! The Second Amendment simply is not feasible any longer!"
US revokes visas to pressure Haiti on election
Its highly circumstantial evidence at the least and if this Ass Ag was spouting the same line as Holder in 2009 about these NEW INITIATIVES, then both need to be called back to testify again.
You CAN’T jump to conclusions.
You can’t go from A to D without going through B and C first.
Upthread I said “Can we PROVE it? NO!”.....I should have added “.....not yet!”
I am making a logical inference from the timeline, funding, statements of the particpants, etc.
At a minimum, Holder needs to be called back asap.
Issa seems to be getting all his ducks in a row. The alternative media is reporting on this in depth. Even the MSM is becoming involved as gov’t. entities answer questions and immediately have those answers proven false. I'd rather the drumbeat be steadily increased as is happening now and more information come to light before Holder, and ultimately Zer0, appear in the dock.
We are on the same page. I personally like the drip drip drip drip drip method on this.
Cordrea says, “Ogden’s 24 March 2009 presser on Project Gunrunner not exactly an admission of gunwalking. On the importance of not “jumping to illusions.”
If the article is not still at the top, scroll down to that title.
Come on, do you think that an Attorney General is going to say:
“As part of our new admnistration, Obama has ordered us to let rifles and guns across the border to mexican cartels in straw purchases and see what happens” ? ? ?
LMFAO. This is as close as we are going to get unless these criminals are put under the hot lamp.
Patience Grasshopper, patience.
NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO FIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER
Dear Fellow American:
I’ve just returned from the border between the United States and Mexico and I’ve never witnessed anything like the stinking, rotten level of murder, corruption, cover-up, and conspiracy confronting us today.
This conspiracy ignited two years ago when U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder claimed that your Second Amendment rights are to blame for the drug crimes and killings in Mexico.
Holder and other top-level Obama Administration figures — even the President himself — claimed that 90% of the guns used by violent drug cartels were coming from American gun dealers.
In short, they blamed our Second Amendment rights for the violence of the Mexican drug cartels.
But leaked U.S. State Department cables have exposed this as a bald-faced LIE.
SIGN THE NATIONAL PETITION TO FIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER HERE:
They started in under the umbrella of Gun Runner, but F&F was entirely of Obama’s making, and the doj letter, and the presser by the ass. ag seems to allude to that.
Cartel chief says U.S. gov't sold them weapons
(Washington Times) Mexican police released a videotaped interview of Jesus Enrique Rejon Aguilar, in which the recently captured No. 3 leader of the Los Zetas drug cartel ...
What and or who started under the umbrella of operation gunrunner? The only links between these two seperate programs are that this administration is trying to conflate them. Do a google search for operation gunrunner and you will see that they have all but become synonomous. Do you realise the huge error this is by people who should know better?
Cartel chief says U.S. gov't sold them weaponsYes. I saw that headline but didn't read the article.
As IMHO I already knew they did, or had to. Because there was no way these Mexican Cartels were getting Grenades, Rocket Launchers and Rockets (aka: Artillery), plus Full Auto Weapons from Wally World or any Gun Show or Store.
It had to be one source where these 'American Guns(1)' were coming from -- The US Government.
(1) Many regular folks don't know that our Special Operations Warriors have basically every type/make of weapon in the world in their 'weapons locker'. But the folks see: 'AK-47', and think -- Gun Show or Gun Store. Not from our gubmint.
an aside: We have a lifelong friend who was a Career Soldier (retired as an E8, Master Sergeant (Diamond in center) and spent most of his years in the Special Forces (MOS 18E). First with the 5th SF Group then the 10th SF Group. And back in the 80's their preferred weapon for a lot missions was the UZI.
Yes of course. But the money in the stim bill for fast and furious was listed as Gun runner.
I know the difference and of course the obama Junta is going to try to confuse the two.
ATFs Fast and Furious Seems Colored With Shades of Iran/Contra Scandal
The operation that has put Melson in the hot seat before Congress is known as Fast and Furious, which was launched in October 2009 as an offshoot of Project Gunrunner ATFs larger effort to stem the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico
The problem with that is that the CIA may feel like kids in a candy store with doofuses like 0bama and Holder in charge. They are both sharp as banana peels and eminently black mailable. For an agency that wants to do whatever they feel like doing and get funding approved for wild-eyed black bag projects what could be better for them?
That's how they play the game. As I understand it, F&F was run under the Gunrunner umbrella and funded by Gunrunner.
You are correct though, not the same programs at all.