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Posted on 07/12/2011 8:21:48 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
A Seminole County woman is accused of breaking into a locked bedroom at her in-laws' home, stealing the family's 14-year-old pet dog Ginger, and then beating the dog to death with a baseball bat.
Evita Williams, 24, faces charges of burglary, grand theft and animal cruelty.
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
When the Perp tried to take a swing at me when I told them to stop, I would simply be defending myself. I would think anyone who would pickup a bat and beat a poor defenseless dog to death would have no problem attacking another person who tried to stop them.
Isn't it curious that most Serial Killers started out torturing and killing helpless animals before they moved up the food chain?
Would you enjoy watching people beat your Dog to death? I certainly wouldn't.
Don't be pissed off at me for making that comment. It is just the way the conversation would lead after your initial comment regarding my post.
Have a wonderful day.
Animals have no rights.
People have responsibilities, the humane treatment of animals among them.
Animals should not be beaten to death. It’s one thing to kill an attacking dog, it’s another thing to beat an old dog to death that was not a threat to her child at that time.
If this trailer park trash can beat an old dog to death, imagine what she can do to a child who pisses her off?
Try and keep the discussion civil, if you can. I did not insult you personally, I would appreciate it if you did the same.
Do you value the life of every human being over every animal?
Well, it isn’t like this was an act of passion. It was very premeditated. I would obviously make an appropriate accomodation for someone whose child is being attacked by a dog, and they grab a bat, run out of the house and whack a dog repeatedly until dead.
That I can understand.
THIS is a very different thing.
Animal Cruelty? I guess the first blow did not kill the dog, huh? Do freepers think that animals have rights now?
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Is there a law against what Evita did to the dog? Yes or No?
Whether the dog has rights or not is an incredibly transparent attempt on your part to change the subject so you can rant your boilerplate anti animal rights rant. The question of animal rights in this context is simply non sequitor. You fool no one, but I notice you picked up a couple of like minded folks along the way. Congrats.
You don’t like animal cruelty laws? Get the law changed. As it stands, the question of animal rights is not even on the table. She violated the law.
Deal with it.
I agreee with you 100% if the dog beater started to come after the dogs owner. Then self defense would apply. Your frist post did not state that.
Read the whole story. This is sick from a dozen different angles. Her husband was arrested too.
I think it is more a measure of the person. Somebody who takes an innocent animal, and torments and kills it purposefully, for no reason, has a neurological defect. The act is symptomatic of a greater disorder, which will carry over into every other aspect of their life. They will hurt others for no reason, and moreover, they may be uncontrollably driven to hurt others for no reason - and that will extend to humans.
Left alone, it will get worse. Malignant narcissism is intolerable when the person is young enough to purposefully hide it as best they can. As they get older, their brain deteriorates, they lose the ability and desire to hide it, and they become a real piece of work.
Some people are just focused on the behavior of others, and what subtle signs they give out mean in the context of the larger picture. When I was a teenager, I knew a guy who could divine an amazing amount of information about a person, their childhood, their family life, their job, what the decor of their house would consist of - he even knew if people left their shoes at their front door and changed out into slippers when they got home. And he could do it off of just ten minutes of casual conversation. One time, he did it to some girl, and I thought he was about to get totally shot down. There was no way he could have been right about all of the ultra fine details he predicted. I waited for the shoot-down, only to see her completely shocked. He even knew she had two to four stacks of magazines on a coffee table in her living room, each arranged in date order.
If you have the gift, even in a small amount, the world and the people in it are a rich tapestry, with meaningful details everywhere. Human behavior can be roughly predictable. But it has nothing to do with knowing how you would handle a situation, and applying that to others. It has everything to do with knowing how other can be different, and that is revealed in how they act differently.
Other people don’t have the gift, to an astonishing degree. I knew another guy who couldn’t divine the most blatant emotion on the face of someone opposite him, or predict how the majority of his behavior would affect others. Either he didn’t look at it, or he had no ability to realize it’s signifigance. Because of it, the guy had *no* ability to judge character or trustworthiness.
People on the animal cruelty threads know that purposeless animal cruelty is a sign, and those who engage in it are best kept away from the good people.
Furthermore, they have experiences with such people, know their personalities, and know what they deserve. Whether this chick had killed this dog or not, she deserves something awful, just because of who she is, what she has undoubtedly done to others in the past, and what she will undoubtedly do to others in the future.
The world is good and bad, and people do tell you who they are and where they stand, if you can learn to listen to what matters.
Read the whole story. This is Fatal Attraction type stuff.
Animals have the “right” not to have vicious, cruel sh*t visited upon them. I’m amazed at the attitudes some have, including a few in this forum, have about this subject.
value the life of a pet dog or cat over the life of these people
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I can easily cop to the charge of valuing the life of this dog over the lives of the 2 scumbags who broke into a home, stole stuff, and then dispatched the family pet with a baseball bat. A no brainer actually. Why would I give a flying rat’s a$$ about these 2, who steal from family and kill their pets? And frankly, why do you care about them?
That was a rhetorical question. I know why. You think this is about granting animal’s rights, which it isn’t. It’s about prosecuting someone who has broken an existing law.
If folks will read the whole article and not go off half cocked ...on both sides.
They will realize this is a sordid affair and that this couple does deserve the B&E charge and maybe the cruelty....
I do not think killing animals with a blunt blow if applied right is cruelty...it is a favored means of killing cattle at slaughterhouses with pneumatic hammer in the draw...I have seen this done hundreds of times
And calls to beat folks to death for killing animals are just plain nuts.
But clearly...this was wrong what this couple diand I’m sure they will pay a consequence.
And yes...label me one of those folks who thinks laws about animals infringe on property rights and are over the top...frequently.
From the article:
"...On Saturday, Daniel Williams made a call to his son, monitored by deputies, to inquire about the dog's location. Richard Williams was belligerent and argumentative and told his father: "she told you what she was going to do," and "all Evita wants is money and that's it." Deputies arrested both Evita and Richard Williams Saturday evening. Richard Williams is accused of stealing electronics that belonged to his parents and pawning them, Cannaday said..."
Nice.
Most of us can agree that a person in a fit of anger and fear for the safety of their child might grab a bat and repeatedly hit an animal with a club to disable or kill it, and could be excused for it.
What some of us have an issue with are people who threaten harm, break into someone's home, use hand tools to deliberately remove a lock, lead a trusting pet out of a house and beat it to deathe with a baseball bat. Because "all she wants is money".
This from a husband and wife team who apparently "want money" enough to STEAL belongings from their own family members for pawn money, and attempt to EXTORT money from them by threatening them.
I have always thought you can tell a lot about people by who they ally with. But to be charitable, I will take the stance they simply didn't read the article. That happens a lot around here.
Okay, now that is creeping me out.
I’m not quite so quick to believe her story.
“I have a concept of default respect. All human beings get default respect. Save from the floodwaters? Humans first, dogs next. But once I know something about them, (like the fact that they apparently enjoy beating other people’s pets to death with a baseball bat) then they have lost that respect.”
I have a problem with laws that seem to treat animals like any other piece of property. Life has a different “property” than non-living things. Everyone involved, even an observer, is “damaged” when an animal is mistreated, because the damage is to the respect for life itself. These damages have much greater consequence than those stemming from a car door getting kicked in, for example.
I am a huge dog lover, have 3 myself. My brother adopted a German Shepard, soon afterwards he was deployed to Afghanistan so I took her. She was great at first, but I still did not totally trust her, didn’t know her backround etc so I was extra watchful of her, we built her a kennel so she would not have access to the kids running around, I had my 3 boys and half of the neighborhood over all the time. After a while she became too protective and even though she was in a kennel, all it would take would be one accident, I could not deal with that. I wrote my brother and said she had to go, I could not take a chance with my kids or the others.....so she went.
That being said, this woman went to extreme measures to kill that dog. It was not in the heat of the moment. She had to break in and freaking take down a door!!!! I also don’t really believe their story. At the end it was all about money.
Well, regardless of whether I believe or disbelieve her, it is clear she did not do this out of concern for the safety and well being of her child that was allegedly bitten.
“All she wants is money...” was apparently a motive. Money for what? Cigarettes? Drugs? Alcohol? Large screen TV?
I would not trust her any further than the 4x6 prison cell they throw her into. And I would grab the dog by the scruff of its neck to pull it out of floodwater before I would think of extending her or her husband a hand, scum sucking low-life parasites they appear to be.
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