Posted on 07/12/2011 9:39:04 PM PDT by opentalk
High-level engineer demonstrates how Nordyke birth certificates used.
A prominent software engineer claims the Obama birth certificate released by the White House was forged by using as templates the birth certificates of twins born in Hawaii one day after the president.
The engineer, a high-level programmer for a state government, spoke on condition of anonymity...
.... He believes forgers used the registration numbers of the birth certificates belonging to Gretchen and Susan Nordyke, 10637 and 10638, to create the Obama birth certificate number, 10641.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
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You say it is not Obama's call? Are you sure about that?
Are you telling me that if the President of the United States, Obama, personally wrote to his long-time family friend the Gov. of Hawaii and said that he is immediately giving reporters permission to examine his original long form birth certificate, that the Gov. of Hawaii would refuse the request of the President of the United States and his long-time family friend by citing Hawaii privacy laws? Are you serious?
Do you really think that the Gov. of Hawaii---by refusing President Obama's original request to allow reporters to examine Obama's long form birth certificate---would force the President of the United States to send one of his high-priced private lawyers to court to get a judge to order the Gov. of Hawaii to allow reporters to examine President Obama's long form birth certificate? Again, are you serious?
I don't think that's what he's doing. I'm not sure the "layers" show up in a program that lets you adjust opacity--in my playing around with the BC, I don't get layers in Photoshop or other image editing programs. When I open it in my (old) copy of Illustrator, I see the "layers," but I can't adjust their opacity.
What I've noticed is that different programs render the PDF slightly differently. In Illustrator and Adobe Reader, the boxes are sharp-edged black (and do look identical). In Photoshop and a different PDF reader, they get affected by the background--not because of anything I did, but because that's how those programs render PDFs. I think your correspondent must be looking at the BC in a program that does that.
I trust you saw the link I posted to that article explaining why the boxes might be identical?
None are so blind, etc.
“My theory is that Obama was born in Kenya. His mother then moved them to Hawaii and obama received a foreign-born COLB.
Unable to prove his citizenship after returning from Indoesia for Muslim schooling, obama uses his relative connections to get a Connecticut SSN.
Newspaper listings and Index data don’t prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. The only thing that does is a genuine long form Birth Certificate. Which nobody has seen, nor can they seem to find.”
The state of Hawaii says differently. And because both the previous Republican administration in Hawaii and the current Democratic Administration have issued statements of authentification for Obama’s birth records, the courts and Congress have been unwilling to touch this issue, even the Supreme Court and the Republican controlled House of Representatives.
From October 30, 2008:
“STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO”
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
From July 27, 2009:
“STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.”
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
From May 2, 2010
“Statement from Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI):”
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And from April 27, 2011:
“HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE”
HONOLULU – The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf
Obama's BC is a 100% complete fabrication. It's hilarious that a couple of you go out of your way to distract from the obvious. Especially with the multiple layering of the document and timestamps indicating when the BC was CHANGED. You're funny people.
My theory is that Obama was born in Kenya. His mother then moved them to Hawaii and obama received a foreign-born COLB.
Unable to prove his citizenship after returning from Indonesia for Muslim schooling, obama uses his relative connections to get a Connecticut SSN.
Newspaper listings and Index data don’t prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. The only thing that does is a genuine long form Birth Certificate. Which nobody has seen, nor can they seem to find.
"Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706353/posts
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Why are you applying HIPAA rules to explain why or why not Hawaii can allow reporters to examine Obama's long form birth certificate? The federal HIPAA medical privacy law has absolutely nothing to do with how Hawaii, or any other state, applies its privacy laws concerning its documents. You are comparing apples to oranges.
HIPAA, the federal privacy law covering medical records, has nothing to do with how a state controls or releases such documents like birth certificates, death data, and marriage information.
Again, you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare Hawaii privacy laws to federal HIPAA medical privacy laws, because each state has its own laws as to who can see a person's birth certificate, while federal HIPAA medical privacy laws apply to all 57 states the same.
Oh BTW, Fuddy has now received a second subpoena to produce the original BC.
Since obama was not born in Hawaii, I suspect Fuddy will have a hard time doing so.
“You say it is not Obama’s call? Are you sure about that?
Are you telling me that if the President of the United States, Obama, personally wrote to his long-time family friend the Gov. of Hawaii and said that he is immediately giving reporters permission to examine his original long form birth certificate, that the Gov. of Hawaii would refuse the request of the President of the United States and his long-time family friend by citing Hawaii privacy laws? Are you serious?
Do you really think that the Gov. of Hawaii-—by refusing President Obama’s original request to allow reporters to examine Obama’s long form birth certificate-—would force the President of the United States to send one of his high-priced private lawyers to court to get a judge to order the Gov. of Hawaii to allow reporters to examine President Obama’s long form birth certificate? Again, are you serious?”
Yeah, I’m serious that Governors and Presidents should follow the law. Hawaii law says that a court order from a judge is required in order to inspect or obtain a birth certificate. Judges issue court orders every day of the week, what’s the problem? If Orly Taitz can get a court clerk to sign a subpoena for release of the birth certificate (which won’t work), why can’t somebody go to a judge and get a court order for the very same document which will work?
I just don’t see Obama making any such additional request.
If there was a hue and cry in the media for him to do it, he might, but there is no such call for additional information.
Zero believes that he released his birth information back in 2008 and that he re-released it with the long form in April.
At the press conference when Obama announced the long form, they handed out hard copies of the long form to the Washington Press Corps. Any reporter could simply ask Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii’s Director of Health or Alvin Onaka, the Registrar of Vital Statistics if there is any different information on the original from what was presented at the press conference.
The media need to get a court order if they want or need any additional information. Any member of Congress could do the same thing, if they were interested.
I’m just not getting what your objection is to following Hawaii law as it is written.
Here’s the law, point 9 is the relevant section:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
Only because I started with an analogy. You asked, "Didn't President Obama give up his right to claim protection from privacy laws that apply to his long form birth certificate when he released a copy of his long form on April 27, 2011?" I replied with an analogy about medical records, saying that even though the subject of a record protected by privacy laws chooses to reveal the contents of the record, that doesn't nullify the laws' burdens on the record holder. I did not mean to suggest that HIPAA governed the release of Obama's BC information.
You're right, I shouldn't have quoted anything about HIPAA--I got caught up following my own analogy further than it applies. It looks like the relevant Hawaii statute is here. There's nothing in it about the registrant waiving the requirements.
Oh BTW, Fuddy has now received a second subpoena to produce the original BC.
Since obama was not born in Hawaii, I suspect Fuddy will have a hard time doing so.
The Attorney General of Hawaii, David Louie will tell Fuddy to ignore a subpoena. A subpoena is not a court order and Hawaii law requires a court order issued by a judge.
Here’s the relevant statute. See point 9:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
Since no one has presented credible evidence to any court or committee of Congress that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, I don’t expect much will happen with two or twenty subpoenas.
Want to see whatever Hawaii has on file for Barack Obama, if anything? Go to a judge, get a court order.
Of course he will. Since there is no original Hawaiian birth certificate for Obama.
“Of course he will. Since there is no original Hawaiian birth certificate for Obama.”
Because Hawaii law requires a court order from a judge to gain access to a birth record.
When Hawaii had a Republican administration in control of the Obama birth records, the previous Attorney General, Mark L. Bennett also ignored subpoenas for Obama’s birth records.
A Hawaii birth record can be released to “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”
Follow the law, get to see what they have, or don’t have.
If we followed the law, obama would have never been elected president. That darn Constitution thing. Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, let alone the United States. Obama was born in Kenya. And he can't prove otherwise. That makes him Constitutionally ineligible to be president. As such, Obama is now the United States first unconstitutional president.
“When Hawaii had a Republican administration in control of the Obama birth records, the previous Attorney General, Mark L. Bennett also ignored subpoenas for Obama’s birth records.”
I question this.
What subpoenas were ignored?
None are so blind, etc
And you don't know the difference between kerning and key impact.
I question this.
What subpoenas were ignored?
Andy Martin’s in Martin v Lingle. Martin filed a state level Freedom of Information request to the Lingle Administration.
According to Martin, the state failed to respond.
There was no subpoena to the HDH involved in that case that I am aware of.
The verdict of the case, IIRC, was that Martin was out of luck.
“You can’t call it a “conspiracy” when it is legal. All the States create fake birth certificates for Adopted children.”
1) There’s no good reason to believe Obama was adopted in Hawaii. The FOIA records show that he wasn’t adopted just a couple of months before he moved to Indonesia, after Lolo had already left.
2) When states create new birth certificates for adopted children, they don’t change the birthplace. And Obama’s says he was born in Hawaii.
“What if I tell you that I know somebody, now comfortably retired in the tropics, somebody blood related, who worked on the filming of the moon landing in Burbank, California”
I’d tell you that I’ve heard some equally credible stories from Tim Adams, or that Birther who claimed he met teenage Obama in Hawaii, or that other guy who says some Russian lady told him that Obama was part of a Communist plot.
It doesn’t surprise me that people make up stories. It only surprises me when other people believe them.
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